Post by: Manedwolf on June 03, 2008, 10:18:09 AM
Now: 2008 Lamborghini Reventon. Glass cockpit?
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 03, 2008, 10:21:05 AM
Post by: taurusowner on June 03, 2008, 10:24:32 AM
Post by: Bigjake on June 03, 2008, 10:29:52 AM
Post by: HankB on June 03, 2008, 10:34:38 AM
Post by: mfree on June 03, 2008, 10:58:05 AM
The nice thing about a glass cockpit is that all that needs doing to change things is a reprogram.
I've always thought carmakers would have been smart to make a standard sized LCD panel for their vehicles, and if they want stylistic differences just write a difference driver program. It's still have gauges, they'd just be images instead of the real thing.
Post by: Manedwolf on June 03, 2008, 11:00:07 AM
Hankb,
The nice thing about a glass cockpit is that all that needs doing to change things is a reprogram.
I've always thought carmakers would have been smart to make a standard sized LCD panel for their vehicles, and if they want stylistic differences just write a difference driver program. It's still have gauges, they'd just be images instead of the real thing.
The nice thing about a glass cockpit is that all that needs doing to change things is a reprogram.
I've always thought carmakers would have been smart to make a standard sized LCD panel for their vehicles, and if they want stylistic differences just write a difference driver program. It's still have gauges, they'd just be images instead of the real thing.
Unless it ran on Microsoft software. Crashes could be more literal.
Post by: MillCreek on June 03, 2008, 11:27:27 AM
Post by: seeker_two on June 03, 2008, 12:50:34 PM
Automobile controls ought to be simple and intuitive, not ergonomic nightmares . . . these look worse than the original BMW iDrive system. (Unless they include controls to fire rockets, lay down an oil slick, and dump some caltrops.)
For nearly $2 million, it might....
Post by: The Annoyed Man on June 03, 2008, 01:06:04 PM
Automobile controls ought to be simple and intuitive, not ergonomic nightmares . . . these look worse than the original BMW iDrive system. (Unless they include controls to fire rockets, lay down an oil slick, and dump some caltrops.)
For nearly $2 million, it might....
Post by: yesitsloaded on June 03, 2008, 04:36:04 PM
Post by: Stickjockey on June 03, 2008, 05:35:35 PM
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Automobile controls ought to be simple and intuitive, not ergonomic nightmares . . .
Like this!
Willys Overland, circa 1943
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on June 03, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
i would like to point out that i can check my oil (but not change it), change my tire and drive resonably (not one speeding ticket, thank you very much) but beyond that i know nothing about cars. and i admit it so there.
i will point out that the lamborgina does not translate. i think that the little letters in circles are the gear its in (so its in neutral?) and the other side seems to have fuel gauge and such (but where's the speed?) and the top has a picture of a steering wheel (is that supposed to mean something?)
Post by: Harold Tuttle on June 03, 2008, 06:22:08 PM
the car is in neutral, so no speed registers in the green circle
we seem to be idling at 2500, 40 percent fuel capacity,
coolant is at 80 degrees C, oil temp & pressure are in range
fire the flux capacitor at 80
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2008-lamborghini-reventon/391143/
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on June 03, 2008, 06:25:34 PM
and if you tell me its for aiming rockets i am so buying one!
Post by: Harold Tuttle on June 03, 2008, 06:28:18 PM
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on June 03, 2008, 06:31:43 PM
its for aiming rockets
"Hey DAD!!!! i need money for a lambergine and extra rockets!!!!"
man, are we gonna have fun at the range!!!!
Post by: Manedwolf on June 04, 2008, 03:57:18 AM
but whats the top thingy?
and if you tell me its for aiming rockets i am so buying one!
and if you tell me its for aiming rockets i am so buying one!
G-meter. But yeah, it does look like a targeting system.
Post by: mfree on June 04, 2008, 06:38:34 AM
Site's in French, but here's the page with the result pics.
http://zcarcockpit.free.fr/FR_Description_LeResultat.html
Post by: Tallpine on June 04, 2008, 09:19:50 AM
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Willys Overland, circa 1943
My 1950 Case has an oil gauge, amp gauge, and heat gauge.
The heat gauge doesn't work. But if steam is coming out of the radiator cap, then it's getting too hot.
Don't need a speedometer. If your butt is bouncing off the metal seat, then you're going too fast
Post by: Boomhauer on June 04, 2008, 02:19:32 PM
seriously, i thought those were planes at first.
Eh, the Lamborghini's dash is nothing compared to what is going on in general aviation these days. The lowly Cessna 172 comes with a pretty advanced glass cockpit. The Lamborghini's dash looks like a cheap cockpit mockup from a crappy 1980's movie. Many aircraft (particularly Cessna's single engine piston line) are only available with a glass cockpit. This is relatively new in aviation, a product of the late '90s and particularly the 2000s.
G1000 in a Cessna single engine
Avidyne Entegra suite in a Cirrus SR-2x series
Even experimental aircraft are getting into the game. We have all kinds of stuff nowadays, and it has all happened in just a few years...I mean, even in the '90s we were just going through the GPS revolution. If the carmakers want to look at some futuristic stuff, they need to pay some attention to general aviation. Cars just started getting widespread panel mount GPS in the past few years.
Post by: Myself on June 04, 2008, 02:39:58 PM
Post by: Gewehr98 on June 04, 2008, 03:16:39 PM
Post by: French G. on June 04, 2008, 03:17:03 PM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on June 04, 2008, 03:48:44 PM
but whats the top thingy?
and if you tell me its for aiming rockets i am so buying one!
and if you tell me its for aiming rockets i am so buying one!
G-meter. But yeah, it does look like a targeting system.
My Ranger has a G-meter, and I didn't have to pay $1.5mil to get it. Of course, my G-meter is a weight dangling from the review mirror. But still. G-meter. I had the idea before Lamborghini did. Friggin' copycats...
Post by: Boomhauer on June 04, 2008, 04:14:47 PM
All the military aviation news mags make much gesticulation and masturbation about "all glass cockpit" upgrades in existing fleets or new aircraft rollouts. Pilots I had gave a disdainful sniff at our aircraft and it's "steam gauges." (Pitot static, direct read, and other such barbaric stuff) I dunno, that all glass stuff is pretty cool until the power goes out... A car needs water temp, oil pressure, and RPM. Nothing more.
Oh, believe me, I agree. I am NOT a fan of glass cockpits at all...I don't mind a few electronic instruments, but everything needs to be backed up by old fashioned steam gauges. I am also not a fan of FADEC engine control...and, when it comes to single engine general aviation, I despise electric flaps.
Now, GPS is about the best thing since sliced bread. I love it. But that is taken care of with a small 5 inch screen in the radio stack, no problem...
These are also pretty cool. It's a slide in replacement for the horizontal situation indicator and artificial horizon. Move your current horizon down to in place of the turn coordinator, or off to the side, and you still have it for backup. Easy installation, hooks up to your static instruments. Gives me most of the benefits of a glass cockpit with low cost. And they are coming out with other displays, so it's very modular.
And I'd like to have some more gauges in my car (gauges give me comfort). Who wouldn't want their car IFR certified for those really foggy days? But not that crappy Lambo dashboard...
Post by: Manedwolf on June 04, 2008, 06:08:46 PM
It's makers of cars-for-the-beyond-wealthy going "LOOK! IT R FIGHTER JET KINDA!". 
Cirrus aircraft do have really nice cockpit layouts, I agree.
Post by: Gewehr98 on June 04, 2008, 06:52:52 PM
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Cirrus aircraft do have really nice cockpit layouts, I agree.
Too bad they keep crashing...
Post by: Manedwolf on June 04, 2008, 07:02:18 PM
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Cirrus aircraft do have really nice cockpit layouts, I agree.
Too bad they keep crashing...
There is that.
If that keeps up, they're going to be the 21st century Beechcraft v-tail.
Post by: Boomhauer on June 05, 2008, 04:39:39 AM
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Cirrus aircraft do have really nice cockpit layouts, I agree.
Too bad they keep crashing...
There is that.
If that keeps up, they're going to be the 21st century Beechcraft v-tail.
They already are the 21st century Vtail docter killers.
The plane is very expensive. Insurance rates are sky high (last quote I looked at for a low time pilot was 10K for the first year- it reduces as more time is gained in type). The aircraft is not forgiving like Cessnas and Pipers are...I've heard it's gliding characteristics described as "glides like a set of car keys). I'm also told that if you deploy the chute, that's an automatic writeoff for the airframe. Parts and maintence is also quite expensive. The glass cockpit tends to attract the attention of pilots who should be looking outside of the cockpit (yes, they have traffic collision avoidance (TCAS), but it can't be relied on to catch everything). The "weeping wings" deice is not certified for flight into known icing, yet some pilots try to take it into icing.
Cirrus tried to incorporate the latest and greatest features into the design (composite construction, glass cockpit, TKS weeping wings deice (it pumps fluid and spreads it on the leading edges), TCAS, an airframe parachute (that isn't as usuable as one would wish). The safety features are great if properly used, but some pilots rely on them to save their bacon instead of aviating safely like they are supposed to do.
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S'why I said "inspired", not "like". Wink It's makers of cars-for-the-beyond-wealthy going "LOOK! IT R FIGHTER JET KINDA!". cheesy
I still say it looks like the cockpit from a crappy 1980s action movie. They couldn't have made it cooler and less dorky?
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 05, 2008, 06:42:19 PM
HankB say:
Like this!
Willys Overland, circa 1943
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Automobile controls ought to be simple and intuitive, not ergonomic nightmares . . .
Like this!
Willys Overland, circa 1943
Yes -- except with a tachometer
Post by: Firethorn on June 05, 2008, 07:15:13 PM
A car needs water temp, oil pressure, and RPM. Nothing more.
Personally, I think that the speedometer is more useful than the rest of the above.
Heck, in most cases, especially with automatic transmissions or a hybrid vehicle, you don't need RPM. Heck, even for manuals you don't necessarily need RPM, just operate on engine sound. Water temp - nice to know a bit, along with oil pressure can be handled by a trouble light instead of an actual 'gauge'.
Though if you start getting into 'useful' secondary gauges, voltage is a good one as well.
edit - oh yeah, and if you want people to be economical, I've read that placing a mpg gauge/readout can change people's driving to save something like 10-20% gas mileage simply by changing driving patterns. Especially when gas is expensive.