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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: mejeepnut on December 14, 2008, 06:53:17 PM
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The TV is on in the other room and I was kind of listening and kept hearing Mr Bush did this and Mr Bush did that in Iraq today.I went into that room to see who they were talking about and there on the screen was President Bush dodging a shoe.Since when does the President of the USA get called Mr and since when does he get shoes thrown at him by people who we spend billions of dollars on without someone throwing something about .40 threw there head?
I think it was NBC I saw this on but not sure.
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Since when does the President of the USA get called Mr and...
The god Obama is the president-elect now.
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The god Obama is the president-elect now.
Not until tomorrow the 15th, when the Electoral College votes.
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Not until tomorrow the 15th, when the Electoral College votes.
You're right, of course, but he's been the god Obama to leftist extremist "journalists" all along.
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Since when does the President of the USA get called Mr (?)
Most of the time, the disrespectful masses that include the press, as well as the leftist pundits, merely call him "Bush". Though many times, I'm sure that the disrespect demonstrated is unintentional, it really gets under my skin.
While he may not be referred to as "President" Bush, I'll control my emotions enough to accept that it's at least proper to be called "Mr. Bush".
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I thought "Mr." was a pretty common title for the President.
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Are you sure it wasn't a Beeb broadcast?
The BBC is known world-wide for referring to EVERYBODY as "Mr.".
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Well, the shoe-hurler's apparently the man right now in the Arab sphere. Maybe Bush will learn something from this--but I really, really doubt it.
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Shoe-ster may be angling for a job on MSNBC or Al-Jazeera.
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Shoe-ster may be angling for a job on MSNBC or Al-Jazeera.
He certainly didn't do anything worse than Dan Rather.
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Actually, the Shoester is the guy I have least problems with.
We may believe -as I do -that the whole war thing is better for the Iraqis in the long run, but its understandable that many Iraqis don't feel the same.
Now, what irks me is the media's contribution to this... 'story'.
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The god Obama is the president-elect now.
He always has been....he ever will be.....the prophecy hath fortold his everlasting reign...
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Shoester got a brocken arm and ribs from BagDad police. Iraqi Mill now have him in (protective?) custody?
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Shoester got a brocken arm and ribs from BagDad police. Iraqi Mill now have him in (protective?) custody?
Retribution's a beautiful thing. :lol:
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Shoe-ster may be angling for a job on MSNBC or Al-Jazeera.
Same thing.
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They will call B.O President Obama, never Mr Obama.
It irks me too that they call the President "Mr Bush"
The same press calls B.O pres elect Obama.
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Well, the shoe-hurler's apparently the man right now in the Arab sphere. Maybe Bush will learn something from this--but I really, really doubt it.
It doesn't matter whether President Bush learns anything. It matters whether his successor learns anything.
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In certain cultures (and not just Arab ones) it is a sign of respect that one does not show the sole of one's foot or shoe to another person. Doing so would signal that you consider that person of being beneath you. Throwing a shoe is about as high up as an insult as it gets. This is analogous in the US to walking up to a man's wife, lady or whatnot and punching her in the face. Things escalating to killing is expected. You know there's going to be retribution, so that's part of the message you are sending. "I am insulting you, fully knowing what the consequences will be and I accept them as a worthwhile price of doing this."
Shooting someone for throwing a shoe at Mr. Bush is the expected outcome in Iraq, not the amusing "I wish they would do this to him" wishful thinking. If the guy gets out of jail in better health than barely alive, it's a clear message from the Iraqi government does not support us. If he has a tragic accident in a few days/weeks/whatever, it's a clear message that the Iraqi government supports us.
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If the guy gets out of jail in better health than barely alive, it's a clear message from the Iraqi government does not support us. If he has a tragic accident in a few days/weeks/whatever, it's a clear message that the Iraqi government supports u
The question is, would you want to support a government that does that?
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The question is, would you want to support a government that does that?
It is part and package of an optional invasion of a foreign country. We had access to cultural experts who could have explained how the locals think. Ergo, we either knew or should have known the mind frame of the people we were conquering. The responsibility is the same. Sigh, the sad thing is that we had military government experts who had experience from the Balkans in how to "successfully" (short run) occupy turf with ethnic issues. You have two and only two options. Forcibly seperate the ethnic groups that have issues, or pull a Joseph Broz Tito.
As for wanting to support a government that tortures people as a means of sending a message, the US has admitted to doing the same thing. Why would America not support a foreign government for something we do on a routine basis?
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As for wanting to support a government that tortures people as a means of sending a message, the US has admitted to doing the same thing. Why would America not support a foreign government for something we do on a routine basis?
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The US does not torture on a routine basis. The interrogation methods that are sometimes used on high profile targets isn't even really torture. You attempt an moral equivalency is horse####.
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The question is, would you want to support a government that does that?
With all of the American taxpayer money that's been invested into it with no sign of repayment in sight....we kinda have to....
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The question is, would you want to support a government that does that?
As opposed to what? If we don't support them, soon enough we get an even worse government, that tolerates or participates in terrorism. I love you people who think the Iraq project is a failure, unless they become some kind of cozy little Western democracy.
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As opposed to what? If we don't support them, soon enough we get an even worse government, that tolerates or participates in terrorism. I love you people who think the Iraq project is a failure, unless they become some kind of cozy little Western democracy.
It is not the duty of the Iraqi people to be friends of America. America helped many nations that are not friends of America today. There are countries, like France, that have legitimate policy disagreements with America without being members of the Axis of Evil. It's completely possible (and legitimate) that when Iraq's military will be able to stand on its feet the two countries can happily go their separate ways.
If they revert to being homicidal a-holes, instead of at least trying to be a half-decent democracy (something even some African nations have figured out by now), then there's no point in throwing good money after bad.
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If they revert to being homicidal a-holes, instead of at least trying to be a half-decent democracy (something even some African nations have figured out by now), then there's no point in throwing good money after bad.
Homicidal a-holes tend to try to kill you. I don't particularly want any homicidal a-holes running amok around the globe.
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Homicidal a-holes tend to try to kill you. I don't particularly want any homicidal a-holes running amok around the globe.
That is... precisely my point.
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I misunderstood. I thought you said that eliminating those homicidal a-holes was a waste of money.
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It is not the duty of the Iraqi people to be friends of America. America helped many nations that are not friends of America today. There are countries, like France, that have legitimate policy disagreements with America without being members of the Axis of Evil. It's completely possible (and legitimate) that when Iraq's military will be able to stand on its feet the two countries can happily go their separate ways.
If they revert to being homicidal a-holes, instead of at least trying to be a half-decent democracy (something even some African nations have figured out by now), then there's no point in throwing good money after bad.
Ya know, you could at least try to respond to my comment, if you're going to quote me. Or maybe you could point out where I said they had a duty to be our widdwe fwiends. I was actually pointing out that they are worth supporting, even if we don't agree with many things they do.
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They are worth supporting IF they maintain at least a semblance of civilized behavior.