Author Topic: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?  (Read 863 times)

Hutch

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,223
Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« on: February 02, 2022, 11:21:18 AM »
So… the Federal Reserve finally came clean about how much cash they doled out during the Great Financial Panic of ‘07-‘08.

Twenty nine trillion dollars. 

Not the paltry (by current standards) amount that was authorized by Congress.  That much is just a rounding error.

That being said, what did the Fed get in collateral? Anything? Nothing shows up on the Fed balance sheet, as it does when the Fed buys T-bonds/bills/note, or other securities.  That being the case, there is no doubt that the currency will become worthless, but at least last year, before we knew of this massive gusher of dollars, we knew who borrowed the dough.  Now?  Is ANYONE obligated to actually pay this back? Does anyone have an accurate explanation?
"My limited experience does not permit me to appreciate the unquestionable wisdom of your decision"

Seems like every day, I'm forced to add to the list of people who can just kiss my hairy ass.

MechAg94

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33,830
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2022, 11:45:52 AM »
https://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/29000000000000-a-detailed-look-at-the-feds-bailout-by-funding-facility-and-recipient

I saw this link that had that number, but it is a link to a paper.  Have you seen anything else?
“It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”  ― Calvin Coolidge

WLJ

  • friends
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 28,627
  • On Patrol In The Epsilon Eridani System
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2022, 11:48:42 AM »
Quote
Twenty nine trillion dollars.

And I didn't even get a lousy tee-shirt
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us".
- Calvin and Hobbes

Pb

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4,919
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2022, 12:24:50 PM »
Well, I guess that explains why the wealth of the nation's billionaires shot up so dramatically.

Nick1911

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,492
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2022, 12:26:40 PM »
In looking for the source, I see several articles from 2011 stating this.

Has some new information come to light since 2011?

Hutch

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,223
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2022, 03:29:58 PM »
In looking for the source, I see several articles from 2011 stating this.

Has some new information come to light since 2011?
Ohhhhh yeah.  The Fed asked for a 10-yr blackout period for disclosing this information, and when that expired, they got a 2-yr extension, which expired.  This new information comes from their response to the FOIA request.  Just an example: Citi is revealed to have gotten a 2.5 trillion dollar bailout.  I will see if I can find moar documentation.
"My limited experience does not permit me to appreciate the unquestionable wisdom of your decision"

Seems like every day, I'm forced to add to the list of people who can just kiss my hairy ass.

Hutch

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,223
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2022, 03:37:26 PM »
https://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/29000000000000-a-detailed-look-at-the-feds-bailout-by-funding-facility-and-recipient

I saw this link that had that number, but it is a link to a paper.  Have you seen anything else?
If I heard correctly, the Levyn Institute was the filer of the FOIA request, and fought it thru the courts and bureaucracy.
"My limited experience does not permit me to appreciate the unquestionable wisdom of your decision"

Seems like every day, I'm forced to add to the list of people who can just kiss my hairy ass.

MechAg94

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33,830
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2022, 03:38:42 PM »
So basically W. Bush and McCain were so enthusiastic to pass that bail out bill to save the economy.  Then Obama used it as a blank check to pump money into the economy so he could claim the economy was doing good all while he blamed W. Bush for the slow economy (even in his second term). 
“It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”  ― Calvin Coolidge

Hutch

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,223
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2022, 03:42:38 PM »
Here’s a link to the working paper that set off the firestorm.

https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_698.pdf
"My limited experience does not permit me to appreciate the unquestionable wisdom of your decision"

Seems like every day, I'm forced to add to the list of people who can just kiss my hairy ass.

Nick1911

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,492
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2022, 04:53:18 PM »
Here’s a link to the working paper that set off the firestorm.

https://www.levyinstitute.org/pubs/wp_698.pdf

This is also dated December 2011

zahc

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,803
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2022, 05:29:07 PM »
Does anyone remember when, near the bottom of the market, Obama said "now would be a good time to buy some stocks"?

Sure it was, and he knew it and knew why too.
Maybe a rare occurence, but then you only have to get murdered once to ruin your whole day.
--Tallpine

Hutch

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 2,223
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2022, 10:15:50 PM »
This is also dated December 2011
Well, damn.  Moar googling.
"My limited experience does not permit me to appreciate the unquestionable wisdom of your decision"

Seems like every day, I'm forced to add to the list of people who can just kiss my hairy ass.

230RN

  • saw it coming.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18,929
  • ...shall not be allowed.
Re: Massive bailout identified via FOIA. Who owes it?
« Reply #12 on: February 03, 2022, 11:12:58 AM »
You owe it

I owe it.

And there goes my $41.37 savings account.

I am amused by the old statement about (pure) democracy only lasting until the people realize they can vote themselves largesse out of the public coffers.  They never considered Big Businesses using the same principle.

Yikes.

Hooray for Big Lobbyists.

Double yikes.

Terry, 230RN

WHATEVER YOUR DEFINITION OF "INFRINGE " IS, YOU SHOULDN'T BE DOING IT.