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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: K Frame on June 18, 2021, 10:46:15 AM
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Anyone have any thoughts on them? Anyone have one?
I have one of the fairly high-power 18650 battery flashlights in my car but I often forget to recharge the battery. It would be nice to be able to keep it plugged in and topping off when I'm driving.
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I have a few of them. Most seem pretty decent. I have a small Surefire with a diode that's green when charged and turns yellow when weak, which is a good idea.
They are good around the house. For camping, or other scenarios where recharging is not available, I think regular battery powered lights would be more practical.
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I have an Olight that is rechargeable via USB. It wasn't cheap but I'm happy with it.
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Not looking for a camping flashlight, just something to keep in the car in a state that will most likely to be charged when I need it.
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Yeah, not looking to spend nearly that much...
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I have one of the larger Olights that USB rechargeable lights in my truck. I don't think they sell that model anymore. I don't use it much. A few times a year. I put it on the charger occasionally, but it still works well. The most I have used it the last couple of years is when we shoot fireworks. It lights up the little parachutes very well.
I have a smaller Olight I keep in the truck more recently. It is one of the little ones that take an AA or AAA. No recharging. It is just more convenient and won't blind you if you just want to read something.
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I have a couple of Fenix ones. One is a TK20R that I bought in 2019 and the other one is a PD36R that I got for my wife in 2020. They were about $125 retail, but it helps that I do business with the police equipment store so I get them about 1/2 price. Both are compact, about 6" long and put out enough light to scare coyotes away out to about 500 yards.
In the truck I just keep a good lithium light.
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I bought this one a few years ago for working under the vehicles: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014ITIW76/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014ITIW76/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
It's cheap, bright, and charges via USB. I don't charge it often or use it much but I've had no issues with it.
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Not looking for a camping flashlight, just something to keep in the car in a state that will most likely to be charged when I need it.
I have an OLIGHT Seeker 2 that chargers with a USB cable. It uses a proprietary 21700 lithium battery. It was kinda pricy.
If this is just to have available but you'll probably seldom use it, get something that takes two CR123 disposable batteries and don't worry about keeping it charged (just check it once a year whether it needs it or not.) They have an extremely long shelf life; also it can probably use a 18650 rechargeable battery if you do find yourself actually using it.
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What about outfitting the flashlight with one of the 18650 batteries with a USB charging port? That way you keep the flashlight you like, but have a battery you can charge in-car if needed.
Brad
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My experience with cheap, rechargeable things (flashlights especially) is that if you leave them plugged in , they will be charged, but the battery life will be killed inside of a year. You'll have 4 min of light when you need it, and if you charge it and leave it unplugged, it'll drain and you'll need to charge it before use.
Expensive rechargeable with good "smart" charging seem to get around this, but are expensive.
With the advent of cheap lithium CR123A and similar batteries that don't swell and corrode, hold power for years, and work decent in temperature extremes, I don't think the cheap rechargeable actually fill a role anymore. YMMV
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What about outfitting the flashlight with one of the 18650 batteries with a USB charging port? That way you keep the flashlight you like, but have a battery you can charge in-car if needed.
Brad
Now that's an interesting thought....
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"My experience with cheap, rechargeable things (flashlights especially) is that if you leave them plugged in , they will be charged, but the battery life will be killed inside of a year."
In my experience that happens if the charge is constantly on. The good thing about it being in the car is that it will only be on charge on when the ignition is on.
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https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B08R75XN9W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A1NGDEJV4B0QZ8&psc=1 is on sale. Normally these are $19
Amazon has a lot of cheap usb rechargable lights. I love my Fenix PD36R, but that is outside your budget goal.
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I've not used any of the cheap USB rechargeables. I bought this Fenix last year based on an APS recommendation (Regolith?):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B082DLF964/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I use it for checking out bumps, taking the dog out for his before bed business, etc. It easily lights stuff up a couple hundred yards away on high and the charge holds a good long while. I also like the red and green low lumen option.
Otherwise I have a couple of Olight weapon lights with that magnetic USB charger. They seem to work well too.
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I have a rechargeable Fenix headlamp I really like. Holds a charge for months of non use and when you push the button you get solid green for 75-100%, flashing green for 50-75, solid blue for 25-50, flashing blue for less than 25%.
I have a protac and my wife has a compact Olight that are usb rechargeable.
Honestly, in the vehicles I just keep a few CR123 batteries in an otter case to swap out the batts if I don’t have time to charge it. Constant charging just kills them faster.
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I have one of these - if I can find it. Works pretty good, and sticks to anything steel. I hate aluminum car hoods. Nice bright flat spread lens.
https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/c/performance-tool/tools---equipment/shop-garage/work-lighting/6fd739957f08/performance-tool-worklight/pfm0/431?q=work+lighting&pos=7
I also have one of these. About the only thing I don't like about it is the switch - does not holster well.
https://www.amazon.com/NEBO-Redline-X-Rechargeable-Waterproof-Flashlight/dp/B07WLN53H1/ref=asc_df_B07WLN53H1/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=366402718205&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13824518293032115689&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9022871&hvtargid=pla-837787409914&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=75985294293&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=366402718205&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=13824518293032115689&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9022871&hvtargid=pla-837787409914
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I'm actually looking at one or two that are combination flashlight/worklights.
Primarily I want the flashlight, not a work light, but the dual purpose would potentially be useful.
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These seem to be more or less what I'm looking for...
https://www.amazon.com/Hoxida-Rechargeable-Flashlight-Sidelight-Waterproof/dp/B07XJN27NZ/ref=sr_1_31?dchild=1&keywords=usb+rechargeable+flashlight+worklight&qid=1624036581&sr=8-31
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I've been using a Stanley Bb24PS for several years in the truck. Its just the work light but they may make one with both.
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These seem to be more or less what I'm looking for...
https://www.amazon.com/Hoxida-Rechargeable-Flashlight-Sidelight-Waterproof/dp/B07XJN27NZ/ref=sr_1_31?dchild=1&keywords=usb+rechargeable+flashlight+worklight&qid=1624036581&sr=8-31
I don't keep it in the car, but my brother gave me a pair for Christmas. Not sure it is the same brand. (I have a lot of flashlights.) I don't have them in my truck, but they seem to be decent lights. The magnetic base helps stick it somewhere so it will stay. On is on my refrigerator.
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I've got a Walmart Ozark Trail rechargeable that's about the same size as an 18650 light and charges with a mini USB plug. It's lasted almost three years with no problems at all. Plenty bright and I believe less than 30 bucks. The newer versions of it might have two modes, not sure.
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I just rec'd this in the mail and I think it was a great deal for an inexpensive pair of quality lights ... :cool:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154441726712?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=454510172976&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Have a few of these and gave them away at Christmas ... it's a nice light ... :cool:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/183981375843?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
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With the advent of cheap lithium CR123A and similar batteries that don't swell and corrode, hold power for years, and work decent in temperature extremes, I don't think the cheap rechargeable actually fill a role anymore. YMMV
This.
I've carried various CR123A powered Streamlights for years, and recently acquired a rechargeable version. No contest. Battery powered is hands down better, and when they're dead, I'm only out the 10 seconds to replace them and have a bright light.
https://www.streamlight.com/products/detail/index/protac-2l-x
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This is apparently a more recent model
https://www.amazon.com/Streamlight-88085-ProTac-battery-holster/dp/B079DDC5C6/ref=sr_1_8?crid=Q3U3P3KVW2H&dchild=1&keywords=streamlight+tl-2+x+tail+cap&qid=1624066986&sprefix=streamlight+2+x%2Caps%2C276&sr=8-8
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Streamlights are nice, but like the Olights, I'm not interested in paying that much money for one that's simply going to bash around in the car.
The one I have in the car right now was something like $12 from New Egg, I believe, and it's a pretty solid light.
The more I think about it the more I think I'm going to go with a USB rechargeable 18650 battery.
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Since the early 80s, I have used rechargeables for my flash equipment that I used in photographing weddings. I started off using the "nickel-cadmium (Ni-Cad) for about 15 years and, as those wore out and wouldn't hold a charge, switched to the "nickel-metal hydride" (Ni-MH) batteries. I have yet to see any rechargeable "lithium-ion" (Li-on) batteries in the normal sizes (AA, C, & D).
While Li-on batteries have very little "memory problems" like the old NiCads did, ALL rechargeables only put out 1.2 volts. Many electronics do not work well at less than 1.5 volts which is what you get in regular batteries. Also, there is not a rechargeable battery made that can last as long primary single use batteries. AND, while the primary batteries get weaker slowly, giving you time to find replacements, all rechargeables go dead as if they fell off a cliff.
Some have suggested using lights that can use either rechargeables OR a primary use batteries and this is an excellent question. But how easy is it to find that battery used in so many lights these days, a CR123 (or whatever the number is) when you are out camping? You're better off using the AAA - D types of batteries as those can be found virtually everywhere.
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https://www.olightstore.com/i5t-eos-bk-1.html
How about a AA. This is the smaller Olight that is in my truck. Not rechargeable, but small and bright. $30.
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I've had a pair of Streamlight Protac 2L-X. Can't recommend them. First one had a bad connection internally, that was returned/replaced, and the replacement has developed the same occasional problem.
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Since the early 80s, I have used rechargeables for my flash equipment that I used in photographing weddings. I started off using the "nickel-cadmium (Ni-Cad) for about 15 years and, as those wore out and wouldn't hold a charge, switched to the "nickel-metal hydride" (Ni-MH) batteries. I have yet to see any rechargeable "lithium-ion" (Li-on) batteries in the normal sizes (AA, C, & D).
While Li-on batteries have very little "memory problems" like the old NiCads did, ALL rechargeables only put out 1.2 volts. Many electronics do not work well at less than 1.5 volts which is what you get in regular batteries. Also, there is not a rechargeable battery made that can last as long primary single use batteries. AND, while the primary batteries get weaker slowly, giving you time to find replacements, all rechargeables go dead as if they fell off a cliff.
Some have suggested using lights that can use either rechargeables OR a primary use batteries and this is an excellent question. But how easy is it to find that battery used in so many lights these days, a CR123 (or whatever the number is) when you are out camping? You're better off using the AAA - D types of batteries as those can be found virtually everywhere.
They are easy to find because you packed enough for the trip. =) They are small and light and have a shelf life of about 10 years.
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They are easy to find because you packed enough for the trip. =) They are small and light and have a shelf life of about 10 years.
I buy them from battery junction dot com for about $1 each. That are slightly higher now. I have a few in my hunting backpack and some in each vehicle. I have never had one die without use. I have enough lights that use them or the recharg 18650 version that I still have a place for them.
In my Jeep I also have a $6 Black Friday special rayovac combo swivel work light/flashlight with magnetic base that uses AAs. Great light and handy but I don’t carry spare batts.
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For anything that doesn't get used every day or thereabouts, if it's something I want to rely on, or it's expensive, I will not use alkaline batteries. I have a couple of things that I use Lithium AAs in, but otherwise it's NiMHs, Li-ion, or CR123s.
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The more I think about it, the more I think that Stanley may be a winner.
Hum... after reading the negative comments, I think I'm back in the search. Way too many 1 star reviews for my comfort.
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I didn’t pay much attention because I wasn’t interested but I think costco has/had a 4 pack of Duracell LED flashlights for less than $20. How important is rechargeable?
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I've got a Walmart Ozark Trail rechargeable that's about the same size as an 18650 light and charges with a mini USB plug. It's lasted almost three years with no problems at all. Plenty bright and I believe less than 30 bucks. The newer versions of it might have two modes, not sure.
Tangent pet peeve: When I go to WalMart, I usually go at 0630 on my way to work. I have discovered that many of the sporting goods (knives, lights, ammunition, etc.) are now in locked cases to deter the tweaker shoplifters. Good luck finding an employee at 0630 to unlock the case so I can look at or purchase the item.
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I didn’t pay much attention because I wasn’t interested but I think costco has/had a 4 pack of Duracell LED flashlights for less than $20. How important is rechargeable?
Well I'm rethinking that, actually. I'm thinking now I'll just set a calendar reminder in my phone for every two months to swap the batter, or I'll get one of the USB rechargeable 18650s.
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My truck light for years was an industrial explosion-proof plastic LED flashlight that took two D cells. I think it was Rayovac brand and I paid about $20 for it. I still have it somewhere. This was before LEDs were cheap and common. Old fashioned carbon zinc D cells last a really long time when you don't use them much (a few years) and if a battery did swell up and leak they fit loosely enough it probably wouldn't ruin the flashlight because they fit kinda loosely and it's plastic (I never had to test that theory)
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I carried a 3 D cell Mag light in the car for years. Still have it, but as a house flashlight. It's just too damned big to carry in the car easily.
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I recommend Panasonic Eneloops for AAA and AA rechargeables and whatever low discharge NiMH battery is on sale for C and D cells.
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Just got this: https://www.amazon.com/BESTON-Battery-Charger-Compatible-Li-ion/dp/B07Z7CXS8C/ref=sr_1_24?crid=3S62UA00927F8&dchild=1&keywords=usb+rechargeable+18650+li-ion+battery&qid=1624372196&sprefix=usb+rechargeable+18650%2Caps%2C187&sr=8-24
I'll keep it in the car. That way I can recharge while driving...
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Just got this: https://www.amazon.com/BESTON-Battery-Charger-Compatible-Li-ion/dp/B07Z7CXS8C/ref=sr_1_24?crid=3S62UA00927F8&dchild=1&keywords=usb+rechargeable+18650+li-ion+battery&qid=1624372196&sprefix=usb+rechargeable+18650%2Caps%2C187&sr=8-24
I'll keep it in the car. That way I can recharge while driving...
I have an XTAR charger that looks a lot like that, single battery. I keep it in my laptop bag with my spare cables and stuff. Works well.
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Costco has 3 pack of Duracell LED flashlights for $14.99
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Not a Costco member.
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I carried a 3 D cell Mag light in the car for years. Still have it, but as a house flashlight. It's just too damned big to carry in the car easily.
A friend gave me a 6 "D" cell Maglight years ago and, like you, it is a "house light".
Seeing the other comments made me think of that one and I checked it and, while it still works, the batteries are stamped "2005". Its size and weight also make it a good club. >:D
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For standard C, D, AA, etc. batteries I just buy Amazon's house brand. I've never had a problem with any of them.
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A friend gave me a 6 "D" cell Maglight years ago and, like you, it is a "house light".
Seeing the other comments made me think of that one and I checked it and, while it still works, the batteries are stamped "2005". Its size and weight also make it a good club. >:D
I never cared for the 6 cell but the 3 cell is a good flashlight for house and yard use. Still big enough to wield as a metal club but much easier to use as a light, especially if you get one of Gary Malkoff’s led elements. Or even better, some of the old timer candle forum geeks used to build custom torches in them with battery carriers to replace the D cells and regulated LEDs with heat sinks. They used to post videos of 2 and 3 D size mag lights that would ignite crumpled paper a couple inches away from the lens.
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I did put an LED bulb in the Maglight a couple of years ago after I dropped the darn thing and blew the incandescent bulb. It was, as is to be expected, quite a step up.
I keep it in my upstairs bathroom beside the vanity. That way I know exactly where it is if the power goes out and I'm upstairs.