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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2006, 07:23:23 AM »
I gotta laugh at how the no-life thread turned into the video game thread.  Easy transition, I think.  I'm safe from that bug, because Daddy never bought me a Nintendo/Sega/computer, so I didn't learn how to press thirteen buttons at once, all in the right sequence.  I loved old-school Wolfenstein 3D, but after that the shooting games got way too hard for me.  When I used to play Goldeneye with my Army buddies, I'd find a room, and just run in circles until they found me and finally managed to hit me.  

I'm glad you guys are so young, as it disturbs me to see men my age (30), playing video games, especially when they have wives and kids.
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2006, 08:16:13 AM »
GunnySkox,

Some of the observations you've made about RTS and Shooter games are intelligent enough that I agree that you should be writing for a gamer review mag or website.
Or, start your own blog!

I would even suggest you consider a line of work in or around game design.  You seem to have the ability to know what makes a game an excellent experience, partly appealing to the reptile-mind, fight or flight, and also appealing to the cerebral strategist, both of which exist at different levels in each person, each player.

If I may expand a little on that, I've been impressed by the level of thinking by the late teen and twenty-something members of this board.  Guess we do attract a decent sort of folk around here!

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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2006, 08:24:50 AM »
Good ideas for games are a dime a dozen. It's the fellah that can implement them that's worth his weight in gold. Er, well, maybe silver. Bronze.

To that end, GunnySkox, why don't you spend a few months learning C++ or something similar, a little Windows programming, a bit more DirectX knowledge, and then make it yourself? I'm sure you can round up a few artists, and maybe a couple other coders to help you out on a free project. So long as you're not aiming for a AAA title that can compete with the big boys, you may even wind up with something you could sell online for a nominal fee.
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2006, 10:44:05 AM »
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I gotta laugh at how the no-life thread turned into the video game thread.  Easy transition, I think.
Seriously, if I could get a date, or an invite to a party, do you think I'd be sittin' here bawling my eyes out about the Craw of Earwigs demo?
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Eh, yes. *grumble*


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I'm safe from that bug, because Daddy never bought me a Nintendo/Sega/computer, so I didn't learn how to press thirteen buttons at once, all in the right sequence.  I loved old-school Wolfenstein 3D, but after that the shooting games got way too hard for me.
Ha! Sweet. I cut my Murder Simulator teeth on Wolfenstein 3D. At the time, and for quite some time afterward, I totally sucked at video games. I think the first game I was any good at at all was.. uh.. hang on.

It couldn't've (hehe, n't've) been before Half-Life. I was becoming tolerable at games around that time. I think the first game in which I was really takin' it to the house was probably HALO, which is also the game that made First Person Shooter the videogame for the everyman, because the XBOX was so staggeringly popular.

HALO (halo ONE, that is) is one of those few games where I don't find terribly much to bitch about.

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I'm glad you guys are so young, as it disturbs me to see men my age (30), playing video games, especially when they have wives and kids.
I don't think that's fair at all. People could say the same thing about guns, comparing what you old folks did when you were kids (i.e., all those stories of just strollin' 'round town with .22 in hand, on the way to the woods to pop cans, squirrels, etc.) to what "we" do now (a rifle, handgun, and shotgun for every niche and caliber; enough ammunition to blibbity blibbity blah-dee-dah). THRers/APSers get their kicks buying, working with, owning and operating firearms; the use of which is a skill which we immensely enjoy exercising. There are other who like to play video games; they get their kicks buying, owning and operating consoles/computers and games, the playing of which is a greatly variegated skill which they, hopefully, immensely enjoy exercising.

Now, don't take this as an attack on your non-gamerly ways; that's not where I'm coming from, going to, or passing by. Your hobbies are your own, and none of my buisness, but I object when you disdain an entire hobby based on some arbitrary age limit ("you must be this little to play this arcade machine, Mr.McWhitecollar").

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« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2006, 11:49:02 AM »
I got that one beat by a country mile.

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I'm glad you guys are so young, as it disturbs me to see men my age (30), playing video games, especially when they have wives and kids.
I have two live-at-home stepsons, age 24 and 26, who do nothing but play Warcraft all night until 4:00 AM, sleep all day, then pick up the game again once they're awake.  The elder has a degree in graphic design, but no initiative, the younger has a GED but also lacks initiative. Why should they, they have it made - no rent, no bills, and I've even paid for repairs and fuel for the younger's POS '97 Suburban.  I'm a bad guy for trying to get them out into the big wide world.  Mom has been a single mom until she met me, and will always nurture them, 'till death do us part.  So I volunteered for evening and weekend shift work when the Sheriff's Department asked me my preferences.
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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2006, 01:32:13 PM »
To answer Fistful's age question, I'm 53...going on 17.

Never made it to the video game imersion.  I have a PS II of my very own, rarely play any of my games.  When my youngest was still at home I used to mop the floor with him on Mortal Kombat.  Also on some of the simpler Nintendo games like Dr. Mario.

Gwher and especially GunnySox...I am tremendously impressed by how articulate you are and your use of syntax.  I had come to dispair over the loss of language skills among younger generations.   In my HS days, when we could run around our town of 2K with our .22's in hand, the favorite form of punishment by the faculty was detention with a 500/1000/1500 word paper being completed and graded prior to departing the building.  Any minor offense would do, like not having a textbook open to the proper page during class.  The writing skills I developed during HS really paid off during my military service.
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« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2006, 01:43:22 PM »
I have a decent life.  Still serving in the Air Force after 21 years and going strong.  Between work, kids and hobbies I am always doing something.

THR is where I check in the most.  APS usually gets hit a few times a week but with all the other stuff going on I tend to neglect this site.  

Life, it goes by too fast.  My youngest child just turned 18 last Sunday.  Talk about feeling old.

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« Reply #32 on: September 10, 2006, 02:53:56 PM »
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I spend lots of time on a computer, writing code anyway. APS is just a mouse click away, so I stop in regularly. If wanting to interact with the better grade of human that I often find here makes me lack a "life", so be it.
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But, for whatever reason, I find it more interesting to talk to the folks here on APS.
Talking to folks in "real life" regularly makes me want to put my head thru some dry wall, repeatedly. Here, people tend to be a bit better behaved, a bit smarter. I can actually stand most of the discussions here. I guess I'm just anti-social. Cheesy
Yup.  

There are few places in life where you can find interesting, civil, articulate conversation.  This happens to be one of them.  Hence I  enjoy interacting with the folks here.

Once I learned that such places exist, my desire to interact with people in lesser venues (either internet or real life) dropped precipitously.  Life is too short to waste on substandard people.

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« Reply #33 on: September 10, 2006, 07:01:50 PM »
Gunny,

What's up with the name?  Mine's from a Clint Eastwood film.  

I see where you're coming from and in one sense you're right.  There is a matter of prejudice in my case.  When I was growing up in the 80's and 90's, I rarely saw adults play video games, so it definitely seems like child's play to me.  And I am just an old-fashioned curmudgeon anyway, despite my tender years.  Many forty-somethings have hobbies like scrap-booking or building model planes that are essentially pointless, and I think they rank alongside video games.  I find all those things more worthwhile than watching sports.  People that age who spend more than a few hours a week on such things are somewhat pathetic.  These activities are frivolous.  And that's not a matter of opinion or taste.  For the most part, video games teach one only how to play video games.  Sure, you'll learn a little about history from playing a WWII game, but it's a terribly inefficient way to learn.  Watching a baseball game only teaches you about baseball, while keeping you on your backside, drinking beer.  

But you can't compare playing video games, board games, RPG's, etc. to hunting, shooting, playing soccer, restoring old cars, or even playing the guitar or reading Shakespeare.  By the way, only two of those are hobbies of mine, guess which.
 
The age difference is not arbitrary, though.  Games are an important part of childhood, but in adult life, play-time has to be limited to allow for more worthwhile pursuits.  That's part of adulthood.  At nineteen, you have plenty of time to kill imaginary bad guys, but hopefully, you'll find more rewarding things to do in a few years.
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« Reply #34 on: September 10, 2006, 08:18:12 PM »
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Gunny,

What's up with the name?  Mine's from a Clint Eastwood film.
It's a lengthy and annoying explanation. I'm considering phasing this name out in favor of something more accurate, but I'm not sure yet.

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I see where you're coming from and in one sense you're right.  There is a matter of prejudice in my case.  When I was growing up in the 80's and 90's, I rarely saw adults play video games, so it definitely seems like child's play to me.  And I am just an old-fashioned curmudgeon anyway, despite my tender years.  Many forty-somethings have hobbies like scrap-booking or building model planes that are essentially pointless, and I think they rank alongside video games.  I find all those things more worthwhile than watching sports.  People that age who spend more than a few hours a week on such things are somewhat pathetic.  These activities are frivolous.  And that's not a matter of opinion or taste.  For the most part, video games teach one only how to play video games.  Sure, you'll learn a little about history from playing a WWII game, but it's a terribly inefficient way to learn.  Watching a baseball game only teaches you about baseball, while keeping you on your backside, drinking beer.

But you can't compare playing video games, board games, RPG's, etc. to hunting, shooting, playing soccer, restoring old cars, or even playing the guitar or reading Shakespeare.  By the way, only two of those are hobbies of mine, guess which.
Hobbies is hobbies. Trying to compare hobbies objectively is like trying to find the objective worth of anything: it doesn't exist. Something is worth only the value you assign it. It doesn't matter, on a subjective level, whether I spend eight hours crawling around in the bushes to ace some quarter-ton beast  or whether I spend those eight hours hunched over a keyboard and mouse, laying into Ze Germans; or scrawling numbers into a sudoku grid; or over a table which is surrounded by my friends where we all imagine an epic, pitched battle involving Orcs and.. freakin' pixies; or at a table drawing furry porn comics; all that matters about any of those activities is that they give me some utility (in the economic sense of the word, synonymous with satisfaction) in return for the opportunity cost I pay.

Certainly, I could do other things with my time, and we might discuss whether or not I should, but I think it's silly to try and make up some objective "worth" that some hobbies have and other hobbies don't.
 
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The age difference is not arbitrary, though.  Games are an important part of childhood, but in adult life, play-time has to be limited to allow for more worthwhile pursuits.  That's part of adulthood.  At nineteen, you have plenty of time to kill imaginary bad guys, but hopefully, you'll find more rewarding things to do in a few years.
I'll give you that the age difference is not arbitrary, but your age has very little to do with what hobbies you can or cannot rightly enjoy, it only really determines the amount of time and resources you should dedicate to that hobby.


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« Reply #35 on: September 10, 2006, 08:34:26 PM »
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...whether I spend eight hours crawling around in the bushes to ace some quarter-ton beast  or whether I spend those eight hours hunched over a keyboard and mouse, laying into Ze Germans...
I dunno. Hunting skills can provide food, both in emergencies and regular life. Shooting skills provide for self-defense, in situations common and extreme. Those hobbies involve useful skills. Gaming generally doesn't impart directly useful skills.
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« Reply #36 on: September 10, 2006, 09:15:41 PM »
Well my online life is much different than my real life.  I am a member of many many different forums of different topics and interests so basicly I can't exactly say I have no life because during the day i'm either at school, work, spending time with my baby boy, or with friends and I don't use the internet until I get home at night.  

On a side note I was wondering if the owner of this site is the same owner of THR and TFL.  If so then how come i'm banned at THR, but not here or at TFL.  I conduct myself the same way on all three sites so why am I banned at one of them?
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« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2006, 09:29:18 AM »
Re: Hobbies...

I think part of it is a function of personality.  My wife LOVES to sit for long chunks of time and play Spider Solitaire on the computer.  
It runs all over me; so much so that I can't even stay in the room.

It's because if you are pursuing a hobby that makes money or educates you or has SOME redeeming property, somehow that makes it worthwhile.  A pastime, something one does for the pleasure of doing, goes against my nature (though I am trying to be less of a Type A).

Guess I've been force-fed the productivity KoolAid at an early enough age to think you have to be a Human Doing, and not just a Human Being.

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« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2006, 04:49:51 PM »
Swmbo and I just got back from the People's Republic of New Jersey.  Cape May. Went there last Thursday.   I gotta say that is one neat town.  The weather was fantastic and the ocean was warm.  Lots of good restaurants and the architecture of the the old homes is very beautiful.  A good friend ownes a three story victorian home that has 4 suites.  We drank a bunch of wine and  had good food, conversation and cameraderie with our friends and 4 other couples.

Not having been to NJ before, I was amaazed at how wooded and unpopulated the Cape area is.  We landed in Atlantic City and the airport is tiny.  I had expected wall to wall people and houses.  Very rural and quaint.

I didn't miss APS or THR or TFl at all.  Really, I didn't.  Not one bit.  I can stop typing now, I can..I don't need this place...really, I don't.
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« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2006, 04:51:38 PM »
I've got tons of hobbys and interests but this is my down time.

On the other hand, I'm posting here on my birthday so maybe I need more hobbies. Smiley

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« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2006, 05:04:27 PM »
Happy birthday!!

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« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2006, 05:10:10 PM »
Happy Birthday Barbara!!

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« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2006, 05:20:28 PM »
Thank you!

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« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2006, 06:00:03 PM »
Happy 30th birthday, Barbara!

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« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2006, 06:06:56 PM »
Happy birthday, Barb. Smiley

Wow, the posts went from the lives of APS members, to video games, to birthday wishes. You never know what kind of ride you're getting on when you click a thread here! Cheesy
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« Reply #45 on: September 12, 2006, 01:41:35 AM »
38, Dick.  

Thanks again all..

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« Reply #46 on: September 12, 2006, 02:01:14 AM »
When I was a kid my mother bought this paper sign Made in China that was like those paper doll train thingies but with big letters riveted together so you couls string it across the wall. Unfortunately the little Chinese people spelled it "HAPPY BITHDAY". We thought it was the greatest thing we'd ever seen and that sign lasted for many a family birth-errr,,,bithday. So from me to you Barb, HAPPY BITHDAY!! Cheesy
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« Reply #47 on: September 12, 2006, 04:00:11 AM »
Happpy Birthday. Hope you enjoyed it. Smiley
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« Reply #48 on: September 12, 2006, 06:17:29 AM »
Hey!  I don't have a life but I didn't have one long before THR and APS, don't blame Oleg.
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« Reply #49 on: September 12, 2006, 06:43:41 PM »
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38, Dick.  

Thanks again all..
Barbara, certainly you're young enough to know when a gentleman is trying to help.

My wife has been 39 for, oh, about 13 years now. Wink