Obama Brings Social Security into the Gun Control Debate

[Ben]

Looks like Obama wants to tie the Social Security database into NICS. I would expect the same kind of errors that we've seen with the VA.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/19/obama-looks-to-ban-social-security-recipients-from-owning-guns/

[TommyGunn]

    Get your guns while you're  young enough to  use them!!!

[Andiron]

If this goes the same way their efforts after Newtown did,  I encourage them to do their worst.

[cordex]

Just think how many mass shootings would be prevented by this measure.

[griz]

The article states:

with about 4.2 million adults receiving monthly benefits that are managed by “representative payees.”

I would certainly argue with the assumption that somebody who wants their SS payments handled by a family member is incompetent.  But the reasoning could also be used to mean they were equally incompetent to sign a contract or handle their own health care decisions.  The potential is scary.

[Tallpine]

If this goes the same way their efforts after Newtown did,  I encourage them to do their worst.

Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have *expletive deleted*ed with?   

[Andiron]

Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have *expletive deleted*ed with?   

Absolutely.   

Aside form the NY safe act,  the lefties trod all over their collective dicks last go round.  I'll hand them rope any time they want 

[Tallpine]

Absolutely.   

Aside form the NY safe act,  the lefties trod all over their collective dicks last go round.  I'll hand them rope any time they want 

Yeah, what's an old fart like me got to lose?  Don't wanna end up in no nursing home anyhow 

[vaskidmark]

The article states:

I would certainly argue with the assumption that somebody who wants their SS payments handled by a family member is incompetent.  But the reasoning could also be used to mean they were equally incompetent to sign a contract or handle their own health care decisions.  The potential is scary.

Oh, you would, would you?

Let's start with gramps and grammy who are cruising the country in their RV, living  it up off their SSA old age/retirement checks.  They ask sonny boy to take care of the correspondence from SSA, even to the point of giving him power of attorney to speak for them.  Are you calling gramps and grammy mentally incompetent, like the courts can declare someone after a full judicial hearing?

I suppose a medical power of attorney covers the same ground, huh?

stay safe.

[Ben]

Skid, I believe griz is in agreement with you.

[griz]

Yep, I agree. I may have stated it poorly, but your example is one of many where a competent person would have their checks handled by someone else.

[vaskidmark]

Apologies, then.

I had just  gotten home after 9+ hours on the road I had to share with the usual morons who get behind the wheel.  Brian might have been just slightly fried.

stay safe.

BTW - the economy must be picking up.  Saw more folks flying by at 85+ than in a long time.  Also saw most of them sitting on the side of the road getting a ticket as I chugged along at 70 set on my cruise control.

[cordex]

Brian might have been just slightly fried.

Poor Brian.

[Tallpine]

Poor Brian.

He's had a hard Life.  One time he got mistaken for a brain and got fired.

[SADShooter]

"Mmmm. Fried Brians."

[Tallpine]

Anyway, who else thinks that this* is just an attempt to prevent inheritance of firearms 



* the SS/guns thing, not the fired Brians 

[SADShooter]

Anyway, who else thinks that this* is just an attempt to prevent inheritance of firearms 



* the SS/guns thing, not the fired Brians 

Grandson not inheriting Grandpa's deer gun or WWII bringback is going to be a tough sell to the bitter-clinger crowd.

[41magsnub]

My reading, while bad and shouldn't be done, does not seem to apply to inheritance unless I am missing something.  It would stop the person from passing a background check to buy a new gun, but would it have anything to do with the guns they already have?  Or does it make them a prohibited person and they have to give up what they already have?

[Tallpine]

My reading, while bad and shouldn't be done, does not seem to apply to inheritance unless I am missing something.  It would stop the person from passing a background check to buy a new gun, but would it have anything to do with the guns they already have?  Or does it make them a prohibited person and they have to give up what they already have?

I think that's the idea.  If you're prohibited to buy then you're prohibited to own.

[Ben]

From my reading, it appears it will include "prohibited persons". If not outright immediately after it passes (if it does), then it will be the "foot in the door" strategy. This has been happening in CA, where communist Kamala Harris has been sending out state LE to confiscate firearms over the last few years as people are put on the "prohibited" list for restraining orders, etc.

[wmenorr67]

I think that's the idea.  If you're prohibited to buy then you're prohibited to own.

That is a nice thought but how do you go about getting them out of the hands of such people.  First step is those that start handling the SSA funds need to take possession of the firearms that Dad, Mom, Grandpa, and/or Grandma happens to have.

Too easy as of now to work around this as long as you live in most of the United States where transfer of firearms within a state don't need to go through a FFL.

[Tallpine]

That is a nice thought but how do you go about getting them out of the hands of such people.  ...

SWAT raids, obviously.

For the children.

[Angel Eyes]

SWAT raids, obviously.

For the children.

Gotta justify those shiny new MRAPs and NVG somehow.

[Tallpine]

Gotta justify those shiny new MRAPs and NVG somehow.

Grandpa had a cane in his hand so we had to shoot him 

[vaskidmark]

Grandpa had a cane in his hand so we had to shoot him 

It's been done already.  Need to come up with something newer and better.

stay safe.