So How is this any Different from what the Mullahs Do?

[Werewolf]

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. - Religious broadcaster Pat Robertson called on Monday for the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, calling him a terrific danger to the United States.

Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition of America and a former presidential candidate, said on The 700 Club it was the United States duty to stop Chavez from making Venezuela a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism.

Televangelist calls Venezuelan president a terrific danger to U.S.


So how is this nut job any different from Islamic mullahs calling for Jihad and the killing of infidels? Wonder when the Pat Robertson Schools for Christian Supremacy and World Domination will start springing up?

This kind of  crap spewing forth from a so called religious leader makes me sick - and to think its coming out of the USA is even worse. But then I guess the 1st Amendment gives him the right to spew his crap the same as it gives the mullahs the right to spew theirs.

[shakes head] Makes me wonder if in 20 years if civilization will still be around...

[Guest]

The difference is that this guy's assine remarks are not considered to be binding theology for millions of people.

[Perd Hapley]

+1, yeager

Additionally, Robertson doesn't have any real influence in his government, other than as a well-known person, probably with some influential friends.  So, what Robertson says is only the viewpoint of a private citizen.

[The Rabbi]

And the fact that Chavez is a brutal dictator in the Castro mold who will cause the US no end of trouble.

[Justin]

Perhaps he could hire Tinky-Winky as a contracted hitman to go in and take Chavez out.

[BryanP]

Hmmm.  Religious Fundamentalist Leader calls for murder of the President.  

This sounds like a job for the Patriot Act.

[Antibubba]

Pat can say whatever he wants-because he's Forgiven!  

[Glock Glockler]

So How is this any Different from what the Mullahs Do?

The Jihadist Mullahs want Muslims to kill people because they're infidels (non-muslims).

Robinson is advocating taking out an oppressive communist dictator because of his actions, not because of his beliefs.

Robinson is 100% correct.

[stevelyn]

>So How Is This Any Different From What The Mullahs Do?<

It isn't any different. Just another religious fanatic by another name.
It looks like Taliban Pat has exposed himself and his ilk for what I believe they have been all along.

[Perd Hapley]

Religious fanatic?  Whatever you may think of Pat Robertson, this alone does not make him a "religious fanatic."  He suggested something a non-religious person might suggest, and for political rather than religious reasons.  If he said, "We must assasinate this man because he opposes the will of God;" then you'd have a religious fanatic.

[stevelyn]

Fistful,

No that comment alone dosen't make him a religious fanatic. It just confirms he's an idiot with a knack for making money off ancient Hebrew mythology.
What makes him a fanatic is that he and his ilk have been trying their best to turn this country into a theocracy.

[jefnvk]

The only difference I see, is that the clerics are not calling for the death of only Bush, but of any Westerners. This guy isn't calling for the death of all Venezualians.

[roo_ster]

FWIW, I'm not a big Robertson fan.  I am quite cool on televangelists.

What he said was of a secular nature regarding Chavez, who has let no opportunity pass to voice his hatred and opposition to the USA.  Chavez & his buddy Castro are doing their best to muck up both US policy & interests, but also the other countries in Latin America.  I would not regret reading of their demise.

As gov't policy, having him whacked has some negatives.  

If you read his words in context, Robertson essentially says that Chavez accuses the US of trying to whack him and that if we're going to get hte blame, we might as well do the deed.  It does make sense, though I think I'd prefer to hear it from a hard-boiled policy type like Zbignew "I'd like to buy a vowel" Brzynski*.

* No guarantee of spelling accuracy is given or implied in the case of slavic names with too few vowels.

[Glock Glockler]

What makes him a fanatic is that he and his ilk have been trying their best to turn this country into a theocracy

Yeah, wasting those communist dictators will take us right down the path of the Taliban.

[matis]

Quote:
"... It just confirms he's an idiot with a knack for making money off ancient Hebrew mythology."
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Right Stevelyn.

As opposed to current mythology:

-multiculturalism
-diversity
-deconstructionism
-radical feminism
-"war/violence never solved anything"
-victimology
-gobal warming (used to be global freezing -- but -- come back in ten years)
-fairness
-mindless egalitarianism
-moral equivalence
-competiton is bad
-the rich exploit the poor
-rich nations cause poor nations' poverty
-government schooling
-guns and gun people are evil
-feelings trump free-speech
-(I can come up with more if I put my mind to it)




Much horror has been perpetrated in the name of religion.

Yet, somehow, modern, secular methods seem always to end in concentration camps and gulags.



I'll stick to ancient Hebrew mythology, thank you very much.


At least they knew what human nature is and had methods for refining and directing it.

If you're honest about it, you will admit that YOUR values come from this "ancient Hebrew mythology".  Western civilization rests upon it.



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FWIW, I'm not a big Robertson fan.  I am quite cool on televangelists.
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Me, too, Jfruser.  But I agree with Pat Robertson on this.

[Perd Hapley]

matis, you are right on,

except that I have misgivings about the strategic desirability of Robertson's suggestion.

[Ron]

All the outrage you guys are showing towards Robertson should be directed towards Chavez and those of his ilk.

You guys are pathetic,  just waiting for some has been "Christian" leader to make some inflammatory statement to "prove" your point.

I don't even get exercised over the anti-christian rhetoric anymore.  

The fruit of the seculurists speaks for itself.

[Sindawe]

The fruit of the seculurists speaks for itself.

As do the fruits of organized religion.

Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.

-Denis Diderot

[The Rabbi]

Organized religion generally opposes fruits.

[Sindawe]

Organized religion generally opposes fruits.

Yeppers.  Must have a strong liking for mutton stew, since organized religion tends to favor mindless vegetables and sheep.

[Ron]

Yeppers.  Must have a strong liking for mutton stew, since organized religion tends to favor mindless vegetables and sheep.

Your hubris and condescension tell me all I need to know about your belief system.

[Sindawe]

Your hubris and condescension tell me all I need to know about your belief system.

Which is one that does not advocate going out and killing people simply because they believe in the "Wrong" tribal god image.  Or the "wrong flavor" of the shared god image.

[BryanP]

Well well.  He's apologizing and waffling.  "Oh, I never said we should *kill* him.  'Take him out' could be a lot of things ..."

Hee.  What a maroon.  I've never liked that hypocritical twit or any of his cohorts.

Sindawe, bashing religion itself is about as useful as the whackos like Robertson blasting people for their beliefs or lack thereof.  There are good and decent people involved in organized religion helping people and doing good works.  They're just not the ones we see on television.

Not that I'm above baiting hypocrites.  I just about gave some of them apoplexy once when they were arguing about whether people of various faiths could go to heaven or if only specific Christians or just Christians AND Jews or what not could get in.  They were not doing this in a nice way - it was obvious they were justifying saying that only a specific subset of Christians could be "saved" and everyone else was doomed to Hellfire.  They asked my opinion and I said "Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Aztecs or Hottentots, it all amounts to a bunch of people arguing about who has the coolest imaginary friend."   They suddenly had a new target for their ire.  Whether I believed what I just said to them wasn't the point.  The eye-bulging rage on their faces was worth it.

[Perd Hapley]

fundamentalist fistful says:  That is pretty funny, Bryan.  I wonder if they put you on their prayer list.  Just so you know, though, it's not who's God is coolest, it's who's God is real.

Sindawe and GoRon are both partly right and partly wrong.  Religion, fundamentalism, secularism; none of these things lead directly to the inquisition or the pogrom.  Sadly, human beings can turn the most beautiful and compassionate of philosophies into a reason for cruelty.

some has-been "Christian" leader

Pretty much.  He's not exactly on the cutting edge of the Christian sub-culture.

[The Rabbi]

Organized religion generally opposes fruits.

Yeppers.  Must have a strong liking for mutton stew, since organized religion tends to favor mindless vegetables and sheep.

What planet are you from again?  You must have missed the millions of people killed by those religious fanatics Adolph Hitler, Joe Stalin, Mao Tze Tung, Pol Pot, Fidel Catro, etc etc.  Secularism has killed more people than religion in a shorter time.