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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2013, 01:12:42 PM »
prices are high enough that i'm surprised that no one has created a scrapping ship that uses a conveyer to lift garbage out of the ocean directly into a crusher.

A ship like that would need to completely offload its payload of garbage multiple times a day.

So, it either needs to come to port (several days voyage) or have an elaborate loose waste transfer system to migrate its contents to another ship.  Or more likely a fleet of ships, that ferry the waste back somewhere.

Then when those ferries arrive in port, you'll need customized equipment to remove the loose waste from its holds and divide it up for ground transport to take it to a landfill.  

Then you need a landfill that is willing to take the entire Pacific Ocean's flotsam pile.  Or, you need multiple port facilities willing to take portions of it at each location.

After all that, all you are doing is taking decomposing waste out of the water (where it will eventually settle to the bottom of the ocean and be buried by mud, coral or magma flows) and putting it into the land (where it will be buried by dirt, trees, golf courses or urban renewal projects).

How many ships like that do you think it would take to even draw even with the rate of waste deposited into the Pacific Ocean?  That waste isn't coming from the US and Japan (with the rare exception of Fukushima-type events).  It's coming every day from Thailand, Malaysia, India, Indonesia and their neighbors.

Studied by the pros, they determine it can't be stopped unless you tackle the 3rd world waste that generates it faster than we can clean it up.

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2013, 02:25:23 PM »
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Studied by the pros, they determine it can't be stopped unless you tackle the 3rd world waste that generates it faster than we can clean it up.

http://www.boyanslat.com/plastic/


Much like the toxic waste plot device in the movie "Sahara" - the 2008 one, not the 1943 masterpice with Humphrey Bogart?

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2013, 02:32:59 PM »
If there's that big of a garbage collection out in the middle of the Pacific (The Garbago Sea), then there ought to be some good stuff to "high grade."   =)
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #28 on: October 24, 2013, 03:24:35 PM »
Are you some of the same people that hate the EPA? Did aliens invade and take over people's minds?
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #29 on: October 24, 2013, 03:51:00 PM »
So, it either needs to come to port (several days voyage) or have an elaborate loose waste transfer system to migrate its contents to another ship.  Or more likely a fleet of ships, that ferry the waste back somewhere.

Well, it would give Taiwan something to do with that ship they were parading around back during the Deepwater Horizon mess.  Should be perfect for scooping up bits of floaty stuff in the ocean.

Really, anything that's flammable, dry it and burn it, using the heat to dry the next load.  That should clear up a lot of volume, and the air pollution can't be much worse than what's happening in a lot of places these days.

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #30 on: October 24, 2013, 04:12:23 PM »
Are you some of the same people that hate the EPA? Did aliens invade and take over people's minds?

Only if you take silly and illogical position that opposing the EPA's insane and impractical regulations is the same as not wanting any environmental controls at all.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #31 on: October 24, 2013, 04:48:01 PM »
My idea.

Send out some sort of massive floating facility that can collect, melt/process/condense and either turn it into something marketable or sinkable.
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2013, 05:01:10 PM »
Build houses on it and turn it into Anarchotopia.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #33 on: October 24, 2013, 05:22:45 PM »
Build houses on it and turn it into Anarchotopia.

Now that would be cool... start forming plastic filament from the detritus, then have a large format 3d printer print buoys and pontoons and interconnecting shafts, start building floating platforms from it.

If there was some sort of biological process using algae or bacteria to convert some of the plastics to a burnable hydrocarbon fuel, that would be cool.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #34 on: October 24, 2013, 10:08:07 PM »
Really, anything that's flammable, dry it and burn it, using the heat to dry the next load.  That should clear up a lot of volume, and the air pollution can't be much worse than what's happening in a lot of places these days.

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2013, 06:41:36 AM »
That's what they think they're getting me to do, but being fifth column and all, I'm actually gathering intel on where to put all the progressives and hippies.

So, you're saying you are part of a government plot to finally kill off the oceans with stinky hippy and progressive pollution.  Nice going, Ben.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #36 on: October 25, 2013, 08:40:21 AM »
So, you're saying you are part of a government plot to finally kill off the oceans with stinky hippy and progressive pollution.  Nice going, Ben.

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #37 on: October 25, 2013, 11:31:14 AM »
BURN THE FLOPPIES !!!!!

I do have to say I'm impressed by the flammability of some types of plastics.  If you're bored and feeling a bit pyro-oriented, go find yourself a Fender brand guitar pick, one of the ones where the plastic of the pick consists of several different colors combined.  Light that on fire.   >:D

And just to warm the cockles...

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #38 on: October 25, 2013, 11:47:11 AM »
I do have to say I'm impressed by the flammability of some types of plastics.  If you're bored and feeling a bit pyro-oriented, go find yourself a Fender brand guitar pick, one of the ones where the plastic of the pick consists of several different colors combined.  Light that on fire.   >:D

Which is why if a modern car catches on fire, the procedure is just to stand back and watch it completely burn, and try to keep it from igniting anything else.

Not to mention multiples "guns" (collision bumpers, and those hood and tailgate lift cylinders) which will go off from the heat.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2013, 12:11:21 PM »
Guitar picks are cellulose, aren' tthey?
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2013, 03:37:05 PM »
Guitar picks are cellulose, aren' tthey?

That's what I was thinking. That would be a real good reason for them to light up so handily, kinda like old movie film.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2013, 09:54:27 PM »
"Nitro" cellulose to be correct.

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #42 on: October 25, 2013, 10:21:10 PM »
Gotta be careful with them hot licks  ;)
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #43 on: October 25, 2013, 10:52:35 PM »
Ping pong balls, too.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2013, 02:46:05 AM »
Which is why if a modern car catches on fire, the procedure is just to stand back and watch it completely burn, and try to keep it from igniting anything else.

Not to mention multiples "guns" (collision bumpers, and those hood and tailgate lift cylinders) which will go off from the heat.

We still try to put out the car fires but it ain't easy. Between all the plastics and such and metals like magnesium it can be real challenging to put out a good roaring carbecue. Its going to be a total loss anyway by the time it does get put out. Personally I do not like to be showered with burning magnesium...

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2013, 04:50:20 AM »
I do have to say I'm impressed by the flammability of some types of plastics.  If you're bored and feeling a bit pyro-oriented, go find yourself a Fender brand guitar pick, one of the ones where the plastic of the pick consists of several different colors combined.  Light that on fire.   >:D

Discovered that about 20 years ago while trying to make a smaller pick.

Ended up burning every cellulose pick we could find in the practice shed.

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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2013, 09:55:34 AM »
I do have to say I'm impressed by the flammability of some types of plastics.  If you're bored and feeling a bit pyro-oriented
Keep in mind, though, that some plastics (especially polyethylene) melt before they burn, which makes them sticky. They are impossible to shake off and can be hard to put out. Which is why I still have a couple of interesting scars on my hand from 30 years ago.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2013, 10:35:44 AM »
We still try to put out the car fires but it ain't easy. Between all the plastics and such and metals like magnesium it can be real challenging to put out a good roaring carbecue. Its going to be a total loss anyway by the time it does get put out. Personally I do not like to be showered with burning magnesium...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU6arBcC8nQ

We are still basically a wildland department.  We got some bunker gear and just enough training to know how dangerous it can be.  They guys from town always come out for structures and vehicles, so we just basically put out the grass fire and haul water.

Most of us are pretty old, but there are some younger guys signed on this past year so we may have a real FD yet.  I'm "retired" and on reserve now.
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Re: "The Ocean is Broken"
« Reply #48 on: October 27, 2013, 02:54:28 PM »
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