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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on September 29, 2020, 10:37:30 AM
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Might as well start the topic now. I usually just blow these off and catch the highlight videos and summaries, but I think I'll watch this one all the way through, at least in picture in picture mode if nothing else.
Pre-debate negotiations:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/29/good-lord-fnc-producer-reports-some-eyebrow-raising-new-details-about-debate-negotiations-ahead-of-tonights-trump-biden-face-off/
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Most of the pundit "reactions" to the debate are already written by each side. They just need to pluck out a few snippets afterward to support their narrative and send it off your friendly propaganda outlet. For that matter, most voters are going to see what they want/expect to see too.
The debates may function as something of a Rorschach Test. Voters expect their preferred candidate to perform best in Tuesday night’s debate, according to the POLITICO/Morning Consult poll. Overall, 44 percent of voters expect Biden to perform better on Tuesday, while 41 percent think Trump will perform better. But 88 percent of Biden voters think he’ll be the better debater, and 90 percent of Trump voters think the president will get the best of Biden.
Every debate I wish they would cut the mic when a candidate's time is up, but they never do that. :mad:
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Has Biden received the list of questions yet? ;)
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One possible scenario for tonight:
Joe will manage to exceed expectations, landing some serious shots on Trump, maybe even revealing a Sept/Oct surprise. This will give the media cover to declare Joe the winner and the next POTUS. (Can Trump recover!!)
Chris Wallace will be nakedly partisan helping Joe while working over Trump. (Trump flustered by hard facts!!)
Look for camera angles, lighting and sound all being used to help Joe and hurt Trump. (Trumps message was dark and angry!!).
Trump operated well his last election in enemy territory (debates) but the stakes are even higher this time around so all stops will be pulled out to take him down. (Joe knocks out Trump!!)
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Has Biden received the list of questions yet? ;)
They're translating them into crayon as we speak
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I just hope Trump has an ace up his sleeve- radio frequency jammer so Biden's earpiece malfunctions live.
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One possible scenario for tonight:
Joe will manage to exceed expectations, landing some serious shots on Trump, maybe even revealing a Sept/Oct surprise. This will give the media cover to declare Joe the winner and the next POTUS.
Chris Wallace will be nakedly partisan helping Joe while working over Trump.
Look for camera angles, lighting and sound all being used to help Joe and hurt Trump.
Trump operated well his last election in enemy territory (debates) but the stakes are even higher this time around so all stops will be pulled out to take him down.
I don't recall but did the MSM declare Trump the winner in any of the 2016 debates?
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https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-campaign-releases-17-questions-joe-biden-must-answer-debate
I wonder if Chris Wallace will bring up a single one of these issues?
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I just hope Trump has an ace up his sleeve- radio frequency jammer so Biden's earpiece malfunctions live.
Hmmm . . . and if he has a more powerful transmitter to overwhelm the one being used to feed Biden the answers . . .
Anyway, unless Biden shows up barefoot wearing soiled skivvies and a dirty tank top, the media will declare him the winner.
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I figure there's a nonzero chance we will see one of them stroke out on live TV. Lots of chances to spike blood pressure happening tonight.
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Hmmm . . . and if he has a more powerful transmitter to overwhelm the one being used to feed Biden the answers . . .
Anyway, unless Biden shows up barefoot wearing soiled skivvies and a dirty tank top, the media will declare him the winner.
Are you kidding? Add to that do nothing but stare and drool into the camera and leave a piss puddle at the podium they would still declare him the winner
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Every debate I wish they would cut the mic when a candidate's time is up, but they never do that. :mad:
I wish they would do that too, no exceptions, no waiting for the last sentence to finish. It's all too often a game of playing favorites by the moderator, based on which side the moderator is on.
Has Biden received the list of questions yet?
I'm guessing that's part of why Biden wants the extra breaks - for his team to prep him and his " I can't remember what happened ten minutes ago" memory. No breaks, no earpieces.
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I wonder if they can get Biden off an talking about Cornpop, and other colorful personages he has known.
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Has Biden received the list of questions yet? ;)
No .... just the answers. [tinfoil]
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I keep seeing people saying that Biden has changed his sleep schedule and will be hopped up on vitamin C and other things so he'll be fresh and peppy for the debates.
So if I were Trump and I thought that was true I would push back the debate a few hours due to having to handle some kind of crisis in the world. And given all the things that happen on a given day that would be easy.
Those few hours might cause Biden to fade before the debate even starts and then we'll see the real Biden.
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The Biden campaign has now rejected a demand by the Trump campaign to have both candidates' ears inspected by a third party for electronic listening devices. The Biden campaign had originally agreed to the inspection, but now has refused to allow it.
Something that makes you go, "Hmmm...".
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-third-party-inspect-ears-electronic-devices (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-third-party-inspect-ears-electronic-devices)
editing for spelling.
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The Biden campaign has now rejected a demand by the Trump campaign to have both candidates' ears inspected by a third party for electronic listening devices. The Biden campaign had originally agreed to the inspection, but now has refused to allow it.
Something that make you go, "Hmmm...".
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-third-party-inspect-ears-electronic-devices (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-third-party-inspect-ears-electronic-devices)
As discombobulated as Biden always is, I don't even know how he would handle someone whispering in his ear during a debate. Then again, maybe an earpiece is why he's so discombobulated at his meet and greets.
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As discombobulated as Biden always is, I don't even know how he would handle someone whispering in his ear during a debate. Then again, maybe an earpiece is why he's so discombobulated at his meet and greets.
Rush seemed to indicate that was not an unusual condition, but I don't know the history of these agreements. He also said Biden wanted breaks every 30 minutes and Trump refused that.
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When Biden is done parroting what they tell him to say, Trump should ask Biden "why would they say that?" and see if Biden falls for it :laugh:
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What are the odds that the debate gets canceled last minute by Biden and company?
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I was thinking to bet $5 that they would claim covid at the last minute but I spent that $5.
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That the earpiece check and naptime break requests made it into the news is good for Trump. Heck, the optics of Biden refusing the earpiece check might even do more to hamstring his debate performance than if he had to forego an earpiece.* Team Trump has USA Today (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/29/fact-check-allegations-joe-biden-wearing-earpiece-false/3578805001/) defending Biden from allegations he wore an earpiece at a "town hall" event.
*I'm not suggesting Biden will wear, or had ever planned to wear, an earpiece. And now the issue's been raised, it's more risky for him to try.
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I can't watch the debate. It's just that I can't deal with Trump's manner of speaking. Don't get me wrong...I am happy with what he has been doing domestically and globally. I'll for him. He's been the first president since Ronald Reagan to actually have some success in both venues. I enjoy that he makes all the libtard heads explode. I've wanted a president like him since Reagan. But, he makes me very nervous he'll go off the rails and say something stupid. I try to judge politicians by what they do, not what and how they say it, but he just drives me nuts. Biden has a smarmy way about him that could cause The Donald to lose his *expletive deleted*it. I can't bear witnessing that.
As for Biden, he is the King of Lies and Distortions. It is painful to watch that lying SOB who has done nothing except to corruptly enrich himself and his family and hangers-on over the last nearly 50 years. His ads are disgusting, mostly lies, and especially the ones where he uses his dead family and then has another with a little bald headed cancer kid and his sister in the bathroom vomiting. If the subject of taxes come up, Biden proudly said he paid $300,000 in taxes last year. I'd like to know how he made enough money on a Senators/VP's salary and retirement with a wife who was a teacher, to make enough $$$ to have to pay $300,000 in taxes.
Gosh, I'm already getting pissed of. I'm gonna fix a drink and read a book.
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Wouldn't have to be a earpiece (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bone_Fone).
"Shut up about Cornpop!"
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I can't watch the debate. It's just that I can't deal with Trump's manner of speaking. Don't get me wrong...I am happy with what he has been doing domestically and globally. I'll for him. He's been the first president since Ronald Reagan to actually have some success in both venues. I enjoy that he makes all the libtard heads explode. I've wanted a president like him since Reagan. But, he makes me very nervous he'll go off the rails and say something stupid. I try to judge politicians by what they do, not what and how they say it, but he just drives me nuts. Biden has a smarmy way about him that could cause The Donald to lose his *expletive deleted*it. I can't bear witnessing that.
As for Biden, he is the King of Lies and Distortions. It is painful to watch that lying SOB who has done nothing except to corruptly enrich himself and his family and hangers-on over the last nearly 50 years. His ads are disgusting, mostly lies, and especially the ones where he uses his dead family and then has another with a little bald headed cancer kid and his sister in the bathroom vomiting. If the subject of taxes come up, Biden proudly said he paid $300,000 in taxes last year. I'd like to know how he made enough money on a Senators/VP's salary and retirement with a wife who was a teacher, to make enough $$$ to have to pay $300,000 in taxes.
Gosh, I'm already getting pissed of. I'm gonna fix a drink and read a book.
On the first, I stopped worrying about what Trump says. Even when he crosses the line, after a day or so it is in the dustbin of history. What he is successfully does drives the left more nuts than any of that.
That is a good point about Biden's taxes. That is a lot of money.
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And away we go.
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Which Biden will we see?
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It's coherent Biden!
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Spicy Biden!
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Well, it took 3.5 minutes before Wallace started losing control of the debate and they went to arguing and talking over each other. :lol:
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And I don't think I'm gonna make it through. It's just two guys talking over each other. Guess I'll watch an Office rerun and wait for the synopses.
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Biden doing far better than I expected.
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Biden is just repeating media talking points
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This might turn into a fistfight.
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I thought we were told that between 2m and 6m would die of COVID and we lost 200k so doesn't that mean Trump's actions saved about 2m-4m lives?
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How long till the drugs wear off?
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is every question going to be an attack on Trump?
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That's Trump's fault.
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That's Trump's fault.
Did fistful get a reprieve?
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Well, no. And that's also Trump's fault.
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Hostile Biden.
Lyin' Biden.
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Hostile Biden.
He's not used to having his statements/answers challenged
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Yup. Biden spewing already debunked lies.
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Biden playing the Race Card
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Neither of them are doing all that well. Wallace is obviously favoring Biden as expected. You can tell by the last question for example before I just turned it off. Wallace just asked about the Charlottesville thing and race and related the very fine people quote and didn’t give the whole context or content of what Trump said. Most of Wallace’s questions are framed as hits on Trump.
They should kill mics when it is the persons two minutes or when the segment is up.
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Biden still coherent.
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Is anyone actually expecting the debates to change anyone's minds? I think most if not all voters made up their minds already
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Is anyone actually expecting the debates to change anyone's minds? I think most if not all voters made up their minds already
Only if one of them did really poorly compared to the other. Like if Biden was incoherent. Biden was going to be declared the winner no matter what by most of the Media.
That’s what happened with Ryan during the last VP debate he was in when Ryan was clearly better informed and had better command of the issues. Biden just guffawed at him and interrupted Ryan the whole time. I was never a Ryan fan, but Biden didn’t really win that debate. At least Trump isn’t letting him do that, but they are both being childish.
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Had to bail out, couldn't listen to it any longer.
It's a WWE 2 on 1 match.
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Had to bail out, couldn't listen to it any longer.
It's a WWE 2 on 1 match.
(https://www.trbimg.com/img-582604b8/turbine/trump-wrestling-comment-20161111)
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I ended up pausing it and then fast forwarding through to try and catch anything of interest. Here's one - Biden says "antifa is an idea, not an organization" while attacking "white supremacy" and excusing antifa riots.
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Every question is Orange Man Bad
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Had to bail out, couldn't listen to it any longer.
It's a WWE 2 on 1 match.
I am listening to the Steven Crowder livestream. That is a little easier to listen to, but I still want it to be over.
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Every debate I wish they would cut the mic when a candidate's time is up, but they never do that. :mad:
Would have been nice, yet again.
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A glass booth like in the old quiz show days would do the trick.
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Trump could have been more tactful
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Steve on PT News is drunk. He was playing a drinking game but gave up trying to keep up and just started drinking whenever.
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I'm biased towards Trump of course and even with that bias I don't think he did as well as he could have.
He wasn't able to body-slam Biden like I was expecting him to do. And Biden held up really well.
So I'll give Trump a very slight win here.
It would be like the old-school Brady-in-his-prime Patriots only managed to eek out a one point win, at home, against the Browns.
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The debate was a few minutes late getting started, so I got to hear the before-debate commentators pontificating about how Trump had already lost. ;/
What a *expletive deleted*it-show. Chris Wallace was not in control. As has already been said, he should have switches to cut the mikes. (that's the main thing I came here to say) Maybe have 3 positions; ON, OFF, and -20dB. (or something like -20, at that level you'd be able to hear them but just barely)
Biden was mostly coherent when Trump allowed him to talk. Trump was generally an ahole, talking over Biden and Wallace all the time, but he did make a few good points.
I couldn't watch the whole thing, but I saw most of it. I think Biden won but not by much.
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The debate was a few minutes late getting started, so I got to hear the before-debate commentators pontificating about how Trump had already lost. ;/
What a *expletive deleted*it-show. Chris Wallace was not in control. As has already been said, he should have switches to cut the mikes. (that's the main thing I came here to say) Maybe have 3 positions; ON, OFF, and -20dB. (or something like -20, at that level you'd be able to hear them but just barely)
Biden was mostly coherent when Trump allowed him to talk. Trump was generally an ahole, talking over Biden and Wallace all the time, but he did make a few good points.
I couldn't watch the whole thing, but I saw most of it. I think Biden won but not by much.
He was getting pissed getting asked what were basically attack questions of which some were based on a distortion or flat out lie, and watching Biden flat out lie several times and whenever Trump tried to call out Biden on them or make a point Wallace stepped in to protect Biden.
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I appreciate all the fine commentary, fellas! Now I don't have to watch the recording of the cacophony I made because I really did not want to watch it unless afterwards it was reviewed as sane.
I did see the final few minutes when Mathews cut it off prohibiting Trump from responding to a Biden lie. Thankfully Trump had interrupted to point out it was a lie ..... [popcorn]
"Trump could have been more tactful," WLJ. Trump .... tactful? :rofl:
One Fox commentor, whose name escapes my memory-addled mind at the moment, suggested the debate will not change anyone's mind.
I can live with that. Do debates ever really change minds?? =|
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"Trump could have been more tactful," WLJ. Trump .... tactful? :rofl:
Thought about editing afterwards with
But hey, that's Trump"
But was too lazy to do so
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Mighty fine shindig.
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I usually don't bother with theatrical stuff, like debates and speeches and town halls, but the wife thought it was going to be fun. She made it almost to the end, but I watched the whole thing.
It was hilarious for a while, but as usual, I was beyond annoyed at the anti-American spewing nonsense. It wouldn't bother me, except that I know millions of voters are suckered by that nonsense. (Especially the bit where he dishonestly accused Trump of being mean to his son the veteran.) And, as usual, I was disappointed that the Pro-American didn't get the shots in that I wanted him to get. Not a stellar performance by either of them, but Biden managed to stay awake and mostly coherent in his anti-American diatribe.
Guess I'll go back to ignoring the theater.
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For the first 2 minutes, candidates ought not interrupt each other - and the microphones of the NON responding candidates ought to be cut off for that time.
Maybe leave both mics on during the open discussion part.
Chris Wallace clearly favored Biden - but then, he always was a bit of a lefty. I remember when he was interviewing Pat Buchanan during his presidential run he asked "Would there be any place in a Buchanan administration for David Duke?" Pat instantly gave a one word answer - NO - and shut up. Wallace wasn't very happy.
Back to the debate - Trump scored a hit when he said he was debating Wallace as well as Biden, but I thought he interrupted too much; I think he could have scored more solid "hits" on Joe if he'd waited his turn to talk. Biden spewed nonsense and was never called on it by Wallace, but since he didn't soil himself or wander aimlessly off stage, most media ABCNBCCBSMSNBCCNNNYT pundits will claim he won the debate.
Me, I would have debated Biden a bit differently than Trump did, but hey, I'm not a billionaire living in the White House, so what do I know? ;)
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I ended up watching a little less than a hour of the middle of the
debate two five year olds arguing over who which one is smarter. Guess I'll skip the rest.
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Trump should have explained to Wallace that no one needed to calm down his supporters, and that white supremacists have nothing to do with him. And he should have demanded an apology for both. Not that he'd get it, but he should have laid down the markers.
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We should replace debates with trial by combat. No guns but clubs, knives, etc are allowed. May the odds forever be in your favor!
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Well, I'm shocked to see the media mostly calling it a wash this morning.
I certainly thought Joe managing to make it through the night would be enough for him to be declared the winner.
The portion I tuned into was just a *expletive deleted*it show so I couldn't say one did better than the other.
Chris Wallace was NOT fair and balanced.
Don't forget, Bidens MO for decades has been to verbally bully, attack and even challenge to fight those who challenge his positions. If nothing else Trump shut that tactic down and neutralized Biden's tough guy act.
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Think of the children!
Jake Tapper says his friend’s 6th grade daughter “burst into tears, had to run to bed” because she was “so appalled” by Trump during debate. pic.twitter.com/uNiQVsYkES
— Breaking911 (@Breaking911) September 30, 2020
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/29/cnns-jake-tapper-explains-how-trump-sent-friends-appalled-6th-grade-daughter-running-to-bed-in-tears-during-the-debate/
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Well, I'm shocked to see the media mostly calling it a wash this morning.
Well, minus CNN.
I also am surprised this morning. I've now listened to a few interviews involving R&D politicians and R&D pundits on split screens, and both sides have basically agreed that the debate was a shitshow with only minimal nods to "their guy".
I will say that this reminded me why I was anti-Trump during the 2016 primaries.
Best line heard: "It was like a Real Housewives of LA renunion show".
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Think of the children!https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/29/cnns-jake-tapper-explains-how-trump-sent-friends-appalled-6th-grade-daughter-running-to-bed-in-tears-during-the-debate/
If that actually happened, then maybe someone should call child services to investigate the parents for creating an environment where a six year old has a breakdown over a presidential debate. At that age, I might have cried if they'd canceled Huckleberry Hound, but I barely knew what a president was.
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Over the years Chris Wallace has maintained a decent reputation among those on the right.
Hopefully his partisan performance last night has finally burned that bridge.
He is leftist opposition working behind our lines to control the narrative and provide cover for the left.
I remember back in the day when Chris Mathews also had a decent reputation as being fair, in the hayday of Hardball with Chris Mathews. They are subtle and sneaky and work hard to trick and deceive the gullible. They speak reasonable and conciliatory words to put the right at ease but their hearts are far far from you.
Chris Wallace like Chris Mathews is the enemy of most everything you believe in and hold dear.
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If that actually happened, then maybe someone should call child services to investigate the parents for creating an environment where a six year old has a breakdown over a presidential debate. At that age, I might have cried if they'd canceled Huckleberry Hound, but I barely knew what a president was.
More than likely the kid was freaked out by the parents cussing and yelling at the TV.
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More than likely the kid was freaked out by the parents cussing and yelling at the TV.
Yeah, but that's Trump's fault.
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https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/09/30/boom-telemundo-news-viewers-say-trump-won-the-debate-by-a-margin-of-66-34/
I'm not surprised by this. If you've ever seen Mexican TV, this would be a popular show. :laugh:
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Trump tried all the old tricks tonight that he pulled out in 2016, but not running against Clinton proved to be his Kryptonite. It’s simply harder for most people to hate Joe Biden than it was for them to hate Hillary Clinton, and so Trump’s personal depravity comes across less as Defcon-1 necessity and more as a sordid personal and national disgrace.
Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton were the two least popular major party nominees to ever run for president. Not being Clinton was enough for Trump to win. It stands to reason that not being either of them will be enough for Biden to win as well.
I'm not certain it will be enough for Biden to win, but the unlike-ability dynamics that helped Trump last time are different now. I think Trump's debate "style" worked better against Clinton.
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I don't think any microphones should be cut off. How a candidate responds to interruptions and challenges is part of the debate. What will they do when they are pushed a bit and have unfriendly questions (for Democrats).
Otherwise, we might as well just have each of them do separate press conferences. If the microphones could be turned off, the damn moderators would be cutting off the one they don't like and letting the letting the other speak. It would not be equitable.
The main criticism I heard of Trump was that he should have let Biden talk as Biden was spouting a bunch of talking points some of which were publicly disproven. I can see that, but I think Trump needed to push Biden to some extent. Trump went overboard a little bit, but Trump will do that. Biden didn't handle it well. He was mostly falling back on talking points and trying to throw mud at Trump. Trump could have had better responses at points. Someone like Ted Cruz would have thrown out a lot more good facts and information, but he isn't Trump and Trump did get plenty of hits in.
I don't think Biden won the debate at all, but I don't know if I would say Trump won. I want to say he did, but I am inclined that direction anyway.
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I'm not sure we're the demographic Trump was aiming at with his performance.
The Telemundo numbers would back up my contention.
The National Review is controlled opposition.
If you like permanent war and losing the fight for every cultural touchstone, "on principle", the National Review is for you.
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I watched the whole thing, somehow. What a goat rodeo. Both of them came off as immature and demeaning. Biden called Trump a clown at one point. On a live, nationally televised presidential debate. Unprofessional, undignified, and unstatesmanlike is how they both came across. It's like those that are actually in charge have agreed to put the two biggest idiots they could find in this "contest." It's like "Dinner for Schmucks" and we're the schmucks.
I do think Trump should have pointed out that Biden is himself a millionaire when Biden was spouting off about how the Trump economy has only benefited millionaires and billionaires. Trump has never made any bones about being rich, while Biden tries to come off as some kind of salt of the earth poor person.
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When Trump was interrupting Biden and Biden lost track of which point he was on and Trump reminded him I laughed and thought of Fistful's suggestion.
Biden was inconsistent (If Trump had closed down for COVID sooner lives would have been saved/Trump is responsible for killing the economy by closing down the country) and easily wrong-footed.
Trump was ... Trump.
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The uneducated, functionally illiterate, non-Americans in culture/political acumen and third world implants all have votes that are just as important as yours. Maybe more important than yours.
Your/our generations gave the country away, now we get to enjoy the consequences.
Enjoy the show.
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First off, Biden looked pasty and kind of sickly. He held up much better than expected, though by the end he was starting to verbally stumble.
At one point, Trump was saying that Biden would go with the government run healthcare plan that the far left wants. Biden said that it wasn’t true and “I am the Democratic Party”. He later said that he does not support the Green New Deal. Neither statement is going to please the Bernie/AOC wing.
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I didn't watch the debate. My wife did. She said everyone, including the moderator, looked terrible.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/chris-wallace-moderates-debate-while-wearing-giant-foam-finger-reading-biden-2020
Chris Wallace's Impartiality Questioned Due To His Giant Foam Finger Reading 'Biden 2020'
(https://babylonbee.com/img/articles/article-7113-1.jpg)
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On Twitter:
One comment said Joe Rogan would have done a much better job moderating the debate.
Tim Pool put up a Twitter Poll:
Senile Crackpot Crony
vs
A-hole Loudbouth TV Star
:lol:
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I didn't watch a second of the debate.
I knew how it was going to play out, and given what I'm reading on a lot of sites, I was spot on. I don't think the debate is going to change anyone's mind, and given what I'm reading, I'm not sure it's going to do much to change the minds of anyone in the roughly 13% who's currently undecided.
The debate I will probably watch, and which I think will offer a lot more, is the vice presidential debate on the 7th.
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It would have been improved if Wallace had just moved his desk over beside Biden's podium. Wallace spent more time "debating" Trump than Biden did.
I was really impressed when Biden mentioned his late son had won the Conspicuous Service Medal. I had no idea he had served in the Australian military.
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A succinct synopsis that I heard:
"Trump interrupted, Biden insulted." From the parts that I saw, that seemed pretty accurate. Not that Trump doesn't insult with some of the (admittedly funny to me) names he comes up with for rivals, but he seemed to rein in those kind of comments during the debate.
I also saw people making a whole big deal about Melania not wearing a mask while Jill did. As if these people aren't tested all the time, and both women were only shown approaching their own husbands. Do a lot of married couples wear masks around each other? I just figured Melania wasn't a virtue signaling wimp. The mask is getting to be like a Prius.
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Looks like some media goons believe Trump won. You can tell, because they called for canceling the remaining debates.
If you can stomach the Pence/Harris debate, you've much more robust ears than I. I cannot stand her voice, or inflection, or whatever it is about her that fills me with unholy rage. She just sounds supercilious and smug, I guess.
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I cannot stand her voice, or inflection, or whatever it is about her that fills me with unholy rage. She just sounds supercilious and smug, I guess.
"Isn't it true that....ANSWER YES OR NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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If you can stomach the Pence/Harris debate, you've much more robust ears than I. I cannot stand her voice, or inflection, or whatever it is about her that fills me with unholy rage. She just sounds supercilious and smug, I guess.
IT WAS A DEBATE! *cackle cackle cackle*
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Was Biden wired?
https://twitter.com/realjameswoods/status/1311179736253562881?s=21
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We should replace debates with trial by combat. No guns but clubs, knives, etc are allowed. May the odds forever be in your favor!
Like Kirk and Spock in the STAR TREK episode "Amok Time." [popcorn] >:D Works for me!!!!!
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Like Kirk and Spock in the STAR TREK episode "Amok Time." [popcorn] >:D Works for me!!!!!
I was thinking more Game of Thrones, but whatever floats your boat.
https://youtu.be/FWxRAxeamIA?t=107
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=D =D
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Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho: five-time Ultimate Smackdown champion
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I was thinking more Game of Thrones, but whatever floats your boat.
https://youtu.be/FWxRAxeamIA?t=107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I73sP93-0xA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I73sP93-0xA)
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I was thinking more Game of Thrones, but whatever floats your boat.
https://youtu.be/FWxRAxeamIA?t=107
Yeah.... it would look a lot more like this... if biden could move, I guess.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmk4Tl7PKAY
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This came to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwCPUEND1U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwCPUEND1U)
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This came to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwCPUEND1U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRwCPUEND1U)
I was think more along the line of this other MP skit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OO27A8xllA
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Another one from Ron's favorite source ;)
I doubt any honest person’s major, primary takeaway from last night was something positive or negative about Biden.
No, everyone’s major takeaway was about Trump. As always. And while the reality of 2016 looms over all of us afraid to be wrong yet again in our predictive prowess, it feels like the wheels are falling off the bus. I strongly suspect there are very few people who went into the debate gung-ho for Trump who decided after his performance to not vote for him, but I am even more confident that the undecideds, or persuadables, or independent-moderates, or suburban moms, or whatever demographics out there are needed to give Trump a shot at winning this, were not remotely moved towards Team Trump last night.
The viewership of the next debate will be much lower. If the moderators don’t have a mute button for the speakers in debate No. 2, the viewership for debate No. 3 might be a record low. I do not say this because I disagree with President Trump on law and order, on re-opening the economy, on the credentials of Judge Amy Coney Barrett, or on the efficacy of corporate tax cuts. I agree with him on those four or five things. My problem with last night is that I could barely tell that he agrees with himself on those key issues. His demeanor undermines his own case.
I don't know if his performance was aimed at undecideds/moderates - it didn't seem like it to me. I also don't know if that is where it should be aimed or if Trump's best bet is to just make sure 100% of his rabid base votes. Count on the their enthusiasm to show up and the lack of it on Biden's side. I was very surprised that polls show more than 10% still undecided when I went to look that up. However, It was something like 15%+ in the last weeks of 2016 and broke pretty heavily for Trump.
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The calls from Team Biden to cancel or modify the upcoming debates are apparently widespread. So pretty obvious that Trump won round 1.
More proof?
https://www.dailywire.com/news/google-searches-for-move-to-canada-soar-after-presidential-debate
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjIZsP7XsAA66DD?format=png&name=small)
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CNBC is reporting that donations to the Biden campaign are surging yesterday.
No word on donations to the Republicans, but those are just racist dollars anyway.
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Trump missed an opportunity on the Amy Barrett nomination. He should have said he made a nomination (then an aside praising himself for nominating such an awesome candidate) because the Constitution requires it. That's his job. The Senate then does whatever it wants with that nomination; if the president and the senate majority are of the same party they usually approve it, if they are different parties the senate usually rejects or delays it.
He otherwise got it right.
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I didn't catch this in my selective review of the debate last night. Did Biden actually call Rittenhouse a white supremacist?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/30/its-their-choice-lawyer-for-kyle-rittenhouse-gives-joe-bidens-campaign-two-options-after-white-supremacist-smear/
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I think Biden did a terrible job of moderating the trump/Wallace debate.
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I didn't catch this in my selective review of the debate last night. Did Biden actually call Rittenhouse a white supremacist?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/30/its-their-choice-lawyer-for-kyle-rittenhouse-gives-joe-bidens-campaign-two-options-after-white-supremacist-smear/
I don't think so, but watch the video in the link, Rittenhouse's image is in there.
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She just sounds supercilious and smug, I guess.
She IS supercilious and smug.
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I didn't catch this in my selective review of the debate last night. Did Biden actually call Rittenhouse a white supremacist?
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2020/09/30/its-their-choice-lawyer-for-kyle-rittenhouse-gives-joe-bidens-campaign-two-options-after-white-supremacist-smear/
He didn't specifically say Rittenhouse is a white supremacist. As I recall, he essentially said the violence in these protests is caused by white supremacists and right-wingers. And he made a specific reference to Kenosha. When I heard his statement I got the impression he was referring to Rittenhouse.
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The Joe Biden twitter account showed a picture of Rittenhouse while talking about the "white supremacists".
He may not have picked the image personally, but as the saying goes: "I'm Joe Biden, and I approved this message."
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The Joe Biden twitter account showed a picture of Rittenhouse while talking about the "white supremacists".
He may not have picked the image personally, but as the saying goes: "I'm Joe Biden, and I approved this message."
He is the Democratic Party.
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The Joe Biden twitter account showed a picture of Rittenhouse while talking about the "white supremacists".
It also showed a picture of Heather Heyer, most people can figure out they weren't calling her a white supremacist.
Chris Wallace's question that plays over the video is: are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we’ve seen in Portland.
It doesn't show the picture of Rittenhouse when Wallace says white supremacists, it shows him when he says Kenosha.
Suing Joe Biden for that would be dumb (so it will probably happen).
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Ah. I had only seen the still picture of his tweet. I don't follow @snifherJoe, so I didn't realize it was a video.
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(https://i.imgur.com/8sX6qhN.jpg)
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It also showed a picture of Heather Heyer, most people can figure out they weren't calling her a white supremacist.
condemn white supremacists and militia groups
Is there a difference on the left side? I usually see the take that "militia=white supremacy" as long as there are white people in the militia.
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Wait - I didn't see this before: Wallace actually had the nerve to ask Trump if he'll urge HIS supporters to stay calm if he loses? WTAF?!? Wallace has really turned into a dbag.
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/09/30/gop-spox-shares-video-proving-chris-wallace-asked-the-wrong-candidate-if-hed-urge-his-supporters-to-remain-calm-if-he-loses/
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From Joe Biden's Twitter account:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjKjcT4XgAIMNT9?format=jpg&name=medium)
It's a pretty blatant attempt to link Rittenhouse with white supremacists.
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(https://i.imgur.com/8sX6qhN.jpg)
Hear hear!
Enough of the pretend conservatives like at the National Review/Weekly Standard and the controlled opposition crypto leftists they've helped elect ie RINO's.
They are losers.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918809443/trump-on-defensive-over-white-supremacist-group-after-debate-comments?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2UtQ9gProMGIoStY9hLGts40SxvWPdHDeH4gKcbtj3QGwRst1ri4whQ1A&fbclid=IwAR1KQG8AkAwVmwXzBBz7TpI4aFveiNoto7cTItT_Fn4uvGjF3WEpc5YCRZY&fbclid=IwAR2Jjxf2O-08eLiFfFYPw2VQqVGhoKxG_a3CunXfMlYAA-HYBvmsxNwSqTI&fbclid=IwAR35Z6VarmqRsLScwKRzV3rZTFtihZK5Nz9DCOX8491ELA1MWM2gFrcCftk
Proud Boys? Who are they?
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White Supremacist: Any white person who is sick and tired of the BS
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Rather interesting
Drew Holden fact-checks the fact-checkers after Tuesday night’s debate
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/09/30/drew-holden-fact-checks-the-fact-checkers-after-tuesday-nights-debate/
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If you think that white supremacy is a big problem in the USA then you might just be a moron.
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https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/918809443/trump-on-defensive-over-white-supremacist-group-after-debate-comments?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&fbclid=IwAR2UtQ9gProMGIoStY9hLGts40SxvWPdHDeH4gKcbtj3QGwRst1ri4whQ1A&fbclid=IwAR1KQG8AkAwVmwXzBBz7TpI4aFveiNoto7cTItT_Fn4uvGjF3WEpc5YCRZY&fbclid=IwAR2Jjxf2O-08eLiFfFYPw2VQqVGhoKxG_a3CunXfMlYAA-HYBvmsxNwSqTI&fbclid=IwAR35Z6VarmqRsLScwKRzV3rZTFtihZK5Nz9DCOX8491ELA1MWM2gFrcCftk
Proud Boys? Who are they?
He makes a good point. Other than the MSM, Southern Poverty Law, and other commies telling me they are, I can find nothing that indicates Proud Boys are white supremacists. You can call them far right (though they label themselves as libertarians, and I don't know a lot of the far right that want to legalize drugs and abolish prisons) but that does not equal "white supremacist". They may have some weird ass ideas and rituals, but again, nothing white supremacist. The left seems to equate "western supremacy" with "white supremacy".
The Proud Boys were founded at the height of the 2016 presidential campaign by Gavin McInnes, a New York-based conservative online talk show host and co-founder of Vice Media who has since cut ties with the company. He estimates the membership at about 5,000 men nationwide.
McInnes and his followers believe there are 10 ways to “save America”: Abolish prisons, give each American a gun, legalize drugs, end welfare, close borders to illegal immigrants, outlaw censorship, venerate the housewife, glorify the entrepreneur, shut down the government and declare “the West is the best.”
The lefty media does the exact same labeling with three percenters, who also aren't white supremacists.
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Abolish prisons and venerate the housewife? Hmmm.
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Debate commission says it will make changes to format
https://www.khou.com/article/news/nation-world/debate-commission-changes-after-chaotic-first-trump-biden/507-13e81ed2-7f38-4c81-8671-9a797294ed0c
One possibility being discussed is to give the moderator the ability to cut off the microphone of one of the debate participants while his opponent is talking, according to a person familiar with the deliberations who was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.
The next presidential debate is a town hall format scheduled for Oct. 15 in Miami.
IMO, if Biden was doing the interrupting and dominating the debate, this would not mentioned at all. Either way, the debate format has already been agreed to. I doubt Trump would agree to that.
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While a good idea in theory I can readily seeing it abused by a moderator hostile to either candidate ( of course I mean Trump).
About the only way to keep it fair would be a visible counter showing each candidates "on" time, active and cumulative.
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About the only way to keep it fair would be a visible counter showing each candidates "on" time, active and cumulative.
Now you're on to something.
It seems as though an obvious way to ensure fairness would be to both have an on-screen timer, and make the muting automatic. The moderator would have to turn on the speaking candidate's microphone, and the same switch would start a timer. Once it times out, it would automatically mute the candidate, and turn on his opponent's microphone. Once that times out, it could be reset to the next time interval, for rebuttals, or the next question, or whatever.
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the debate format has already been agreed to. I doubt Trump would agree to that.
The format for the first debate was 2 minutes of uninterrupted speaking for each candidate followed by "open discussion". Trump agreed to that but did not follow those rules or the requests of the moderator (neither did Biden, but to a lesser extent). Unless there was a provision stating that mics must always be on, then they can change that without changing the overall format. Since the agreed upon rules and the moderator were ignored in the last debate, it's hard to complain too much about changing the rules going forward. Or, if the debate structure really is "no rules, scream as much as you want" then have that thunderdome arrangement agreed upon beforehand instead of pretending to have rules.
Also, cutting the mics can be done perfectly fairly. In the previous debate format they could have had only the one mic on for those first two minutes of each candidate with no problem or any unfairness. That simple. Open discussion relies a lot more on a fair moderator but it would be easy to build a debate structure with strict time limits that would be fair to each candidate and would allow back and forth discussion without the constant cross talk, shouting, and incoherence.
About the only way to keep it fair would be a visible counter showing each candidates "on" time, active and cumulative.
That would be an excellent addition to mic control.
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It seems as though an obvious way to ensure fairness would be to both have an on-screen timer, and make the muting automatic. The moderator would have to turn on the speaking candidate's microphone, and the same switch would start a timer that mutes the speaker, and turns on the opponent's microphone, as soon as it times out.
Another excellent idea.
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Another excellent idea.
But wait! There's more! (see edit)
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In a week, the only thing the public will remember about the debate is that Trump dominated Biden in a bullshit contest.
- Scott Adams
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Abolish prisons and venerate the housewife? Hmmm.
"Christian nationalists!!!"
Everyone needs a boogieman.
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Some black proud boys members have something to say about being labeled white supremacists.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/10/01/i-didnt-see-this-coming-black-proud-boys-members-respond-to-joe-biden-calling-them-white-supremacists/
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According to a review by Ari Fleischer Biden was actually the first to interrupt during one of the two minute no interruption periods. Biden was also the first to truly get aggressive and to utter a personal insult, unless I’m mistaken.
Never the less Trump should have had a little more decorum and been a little less hostile. Biden has always been extremely aggressive, dismissive and acted like a fool in previous debates. He did it to Ryan and to Palin. Trump needed to counter that to an extent and being somewhat aggressive himself would certainly help that.
I’ve heard from some commentators and think I’m in agreement that Trump should have interrupted less since Biden loses his train of thought fairly consistently as well. He should have held the interruptions longer and let Biden ramble for a bit first. Of course idiot Wallace kept rescuing Biden and most of his questions were more or less attacks on Trump so to an extent that didn’t help matters.
I think having Chris Christy doing his debate prep was mistake. Christy is claiming that he didn’t prepare him to do the debate the way he did or something, but Christy was always aggressive sometimes overly so. I’m not going to take Christy entirely at his word.
What I do believe is that Trump should be distancing himself from people like Christy and Rudy Giuliani. Both of them are not truly conservative or libertarian and I think hurt him more than help him. Giuliani also appears to be losing it somewhat. I never was a fan of either. They both had good momentary periods, but over their careers were in my opinion net negative.
One thing about Trump that is both a positive and a negative is he does appear to be loyal to people. That generally is an admiral quality, but there are many examples of people turning on him or him sticking with people that tend to hurt more than hep him.
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According to a review by Ari Fleischer Biden was actually the first to interrupt during one of the two minute no interruption periods. Biden was also the first to truly get aggressive and to utter a personal insult, unless I’m mistaken.
Never the less Trump should have had a little more decorum and been a little less hostile. Biden has always been extremely aggressive, dismissive and acted like a fool in previous debates. He did it to Ryan and to Palin. Trump needed to counter that to an extent and being somewhat aggressive himself would certainly help that.
I’ve heard from some commentators and think I’m in agreement that Trump should have interrupted less since Biden loses his train of thought fairly consistently as well. He should have held the interruptions longer and let Biden ramble for a bit first. Of course idiot Wallace kept rescuing Biden and most of his questions were more or less attacks on Trump so to an extent that didn’t help matters.
I think having Chris Christy doing his debate prep was mistake. Christy is claiming that he didn’t prepare him to do the debate the way he did or something, but Christy was always aggressive sometimes overly so. I’m not going to take Christy entirely at his word.
What I do believe is that Trump should be distancing himself from people like Christy and Rudy Giuliani. Both of them are not truly conservative or libertarian and I think hurt him more than help him. Giuliani also appears to be losing it somewhat. I never was a fan of either. They both had good momentary periods, but over their careers were in my opinion net negative.
One thing about Trump that is both a positive and a negative is he does appear to be loyal to people. That generally is an admiral quality, but there are many examples of people turning on him or him sticking with people that tend to hurt more than hep him.
I heard that same thing.
I don't like the idea of cutting off microphones. IMO, the whole idea of a debate like this is to see how the candidates handle interruptions and challenges. IMO, the moderator interrupted Trump enough to make that pointless. Of course, if you are a fan of Biden, it is a great idea.
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From Joe Biden's Twitter account:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EjKjcT4XgAIMNT9?format=jpg&name=medium)
It's a pretty blatant attempt to link Rittenhouse with white supremacists.
About that
Kyle Rittenhouse to file lawsuit against Biden campaign for libel, attorney says
https://www.lawofficer.com/kyle-rittenhouse-to-file-lawsuit-against-biden-campaign-for-libel-attorney-says/
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Some black proud boys members have something to say about being labeled white supremacists.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020/10/01/i-didnt-see-this-coming-black-proud-boys-members-respond-to-joe-biden-calling-them-white-supremacists/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLNDqxrUUwQ
(not implying anything about the Proud Boys, BTW)
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CNBC has an article touting polling as saying Biden won...
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/01/biden-leads-polls-voters-say-he-beat-trump-in-first-debate.html
It's also saying that Trump is running out of time to "change the trajectory of the election race..."
Haven't we heard those words before?
Oh yeah... before the 2016 election, which polls showed Hillary winning handily...
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About that
Kyle Rittenhouse to file lawsuit against Biden campaign for libel, attorney says
https://www.lawofficer.com/kyle-rittenhouse-to-file-lawsuit-against-biden-campaign-for-libel-attorney-says/
Good.
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Now you're on to something.
It seems as though an obvious way to ensure fairness would be to both have an on-screen timer, and make the muting automatic. The moderator would have to turn on the speaking candidate's microphone, and the same switch would start a timer. Once it times out, it would automatically mute the candidate, and turn on his opponent's microphone. Once that times out, it could be reset to the next time interval, for rebuttals, or the next question, or whatever.
I agree. This is how it should be done.
I have attended town meetings on contentious topics, at which the moderator has allowed public comment but limited speakers to 1 or 2 minutes each. At the end of a speaker's time, the moderator stops them and tells them their time is up. The same is followed at the state legislature, when proposed bills are up for public comment. I don't remember if the time allowed at the legislature is 1 minute or two minutes, but there are no exceptions. When you time is up, the moderator will stop you mid-sentence to announce, "I'm sorry, your time is up. The next speaker will be ____ ."
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Biden: "And, by the way, the 20, the 200 mil- the 200,000 people that have died on his watch, how many of those have survived?"
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I agree. This is how it should be done.
I have attended town meetings on contentious topics, at which the moderator has allowed public comment but limited speakers to 1 or 2 minutes each. At the end of a speaker's time, the moderator stops them and tells them their time is up. The same is followed at the state legislature, when proposed bills are up for public comment. I don't remember if the time allowed at the legislature is 1 minute or two minutes, but there are no exceptions. When you time is up, the moderator will stop you mid-sentence to announce, "I'm sorry, your time is up. The next speaker will be ____ ."
But that is NOT the same format at all. I really wouldn't want the other candidate to be on stage at all if their microphone is turned off. Just do separate events or times with each one if you are going to do that.
During the 2016 Republican primary, the last 3 candidates standing did a session where the moderator had each candidate on for 30 minutes or so and asked the same set of questions to each one. That is more like what you are asking for.
The next debate is a town hall style. I don't expect the same sort of thing to happen, but there will be plenty of back and forth. I think with these two candidates, that is what you will get.
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Well, debate #2 should go much better with the unbiased moderator.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/moderator-for-second-presidential-debate-interned-for-biden-worked-for-ted-kennedy
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I'm astounded at just how awful that debate was.
I don't think I've seen a coherent, issue-focused Presidential debate in 20 years.
But this was so unfocused, superficial and talking-point oriented that it was tailor-made for the ADHD 3-second-soundbyte market.
Both of them are noisily flapping rectums. Both of them are narcissists. Both of them are the offal of the political process of constantly choosing the lesser of two evils. Of constantly bifurcating every issue into a two party camp, where each camp MUST have a differing stance on every possible issue, just to be contrarian. Of concealing your diseased intentions by wrapping them in sunshine and hoping no one notices. Of peddling spite for those on the "other" side in such a vitriolic way that the spite garners you support.
Anyone who votes for either of these people, IS THE PROBLEM. Not those who abstain. Voters put these belching bowel movements in human form into power.
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I'm astounded at just how awful that debate was.
I don't think I've seen a coherent, issue-focused Presidential debate in 20 years.
But this was so unfocused, superficial and talking-point oriented that it was tailor-made for the ADHD 3-second-soundbyte market.
Both of them are noisily flapping rectums. Both of them are narcissists. Both of them are the offal of the political process of constantly choosing the lesser of two evils. Of constantly bifurcating every issue into a two party camp, where each camp MUST have a differing stance on every possible issue, just to be contrarian. Of concealing your diseased intentions by wrapping them in sunshine and hoping no one notices. Of peddling spite for those on the "other" side in such a vitriolic way that the spite garners you support.
Anyone who votes for either of these people, IS THE PROBLEM. Not those who abstain. Voters put these belching bowel movements in human form into power.
You're placing too much importance on what Trump says, and how he says it. His record on policy redeems him, at least in comparison to what Biden or Clinton would do with the office.
Or, as a friend of mine said to a NeverTrumper (now a left-wing Democrat), "Forget what he says; look at what he does."
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I'm astounded at just how awful that debate was.
I don't think I've seen a coherent, issue-focused Presidential debate in 20 years.
But this was so unfocused, superficial and talking-point oriented that it was tailor-made for the ADHD 3-second-soundbyte market.
Both of them are noisily flapping rectums. Both of them are narcissists. Both of them are the offal of the political process of constantly choosing the lesser of two evils. Of constantly bifurcating every issue into a two party camp, where each camp MUST have a differing stance on every possible issue, just to be contrarian. Of concealing your diseased intentions by wrapping them in sunshine and hoping no one notices. Of peddling spite for those on the "other" side in such a vitriolic way that the spite garners you support.
Anyone who votes for either of these people, IS THE PROBLEM. Not those who abstain. Voters put these belching bowel movements in human form into power.
Absolutely wrong.
I judge a politician by what he does, and only include what he says if it matches what he does.
This is why I couldn't vote for Trump in 2016. I assessed him as untrustworthy and likely to stab us in the back.
Now, he's shown himself to be a shameless self-promoter, narcissistic, and vain, as I assessed him (at least in his public persona)... And a far better and trustworthy President than any in my experience. (Caveat, I have only the vaguest recollection of Reagan, so I'm starting at G.W. Bush.)
Yes, he's brash and rude. And I've come to be glad for that. Our president isn't royalty and we ought to remember that. He shouldn't be expected to be perfectly poised and mannered.
He's the man we hired to do a job and if he's a jerk but can get the job done, then I'm hiring the jerk.(or retaining him in this case.)
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Anyone who votes for either of these people, IS THE PROBLEM. Not those who abstain. Voters put these belching bowel movements in human form into power.
He can belch all he wants, and I have always and will continue to call out his Twitter stuff, but:
Federal judges and the Supreme Court. Actions speak louder than social media.
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Go find the video of what Biden and the moderator did to Paul Ryan.
Trump and his team knew exactly what to expect from the treasonous Biden and his media handler Chris Wallace.
Biden has always been the bully in debates.
Trump bullied them both and did it like a boss.
That performance wasn't for those of us who are results orientated or for policy wonks.
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Anyone who votes for either of these people, IS THE PROBLEM. Not those who abstain. Voters put these belching bowel movements in human form into power.
I agree with everything, assuming the bolded part means "abstain from voting for one of them".
Vote no matter what, even if it's a 3rd party with no chance or a write in protest vote.
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Go find the video of what Biden and the moderator did to Paul Ryan.
Trump and his team knew exactly what to expect from the treasonous Biden and his media handler Chris Wallace.
Biden has always been the bully in debates.
Trump bullied them both and did it like a boss.
That performance wasn't for those of us who are results orientated or for policy wonks.
That is what I’ve been saying. And it wasn’t just that debate. He did the same to Palin. He does the same to voters, hey fat, lying dog face pony soldier, etc., etc. Heck the left even considers his questioning of Anita Hill bullying and he certainly wasn’t for Clarence Thomas. Bully is Biden’s default mode. I think Trump took it too far, but he had to be aggressive to counter Biden’s normal debate style and Wallace’s biased question. He should have toned it down though.
Trump can be funny, he can also be aggressive and probably a bully. He would have been better served to lean more on his sense of humor. The more I think about it, the more I think this was a result of Chris Christy doing the debate prep, he was always aggressive and can be a bully too.