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Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« on: November 08, 2006, 06:46:31 AM »
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZjViZDZlMTkwNDBkZDU0ZDE3MGFkYTE0Y2RiYWE4MjU=

Interesting and reassuring.

I think we'll see some bitter intra-party fighting over this.



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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2006, 07:14:45 AM »
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The Second Amendment has emerged from the biggest Democratic victory since 1974 with relatively little damage. One reason is that in races all over the country, Democrats returned to their Jefferson-Jackson roots by running candidates who trust the people to bear arms.
I hope he is right...
 
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I do not disagree that the Democratic gains in Congress will, on the whole, be harmful for the economy, and extremely dangerous for the war against Islamofascism.

Nevertheless, the class of pro-gun Democrats who will be joining the House and the Senate includes some who will eventually become party leaders, and who will help move the Democratic party back towards its traditional position of respect for the civil liberties of the American people. A very constructive development, in the long run.
Given the current Democratic "leadership," I do not share Mr. Kopel's optimism on this point. 

The people who are in charge at present are hard core leftist/socialists like Pelosi, Boxer, Clinton, Feinstein, Schumer, Kennedy and others.  They despise the idea of average, working Americans owning and bearing arms - any arms.  They have proven this over the years by their words, deeds and votes.

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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2006, 07:37:22 AM »
Interesting how Schwarzeneggar - who signed legsislation against .50 cal rifles - is termed "pro-gun" by the author of the cited article.
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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2006, 10:31:08 AM »
That's what i get for trying to be optimistic.

I'll go stock up on magazines now.


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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2006, 11:38:59 AM »
anyone that believes that the Second Amendment just got a 'bye', is delusional.

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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2006, 03:24:12 PM »
In Ohio, the real pro-gun gubernatorial candidate was the Democrat.  That's why he carried such a majority even in traditionally Republican areas.  That and the disgrace of the Ohio Republicans (Taft, Ney, Noe, etc.).

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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2006, 04:29:13 PM »
I hope he's right. I'm going to hurry up and wait and see.
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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2006, 07:27:47 PM »
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Interesting how Schwarzeneggar - who signed legsislation against .50 cal rifles - is termed "pro-gun" by the author of the cited article.

The .50 caliber Ban is the only one he signed.  He's vetoed everything else, and they were all draconian.   If he'd vetoed the Fifty Ban, he most likely would have been overridden-a chance he wouldn't take.

So yes, comparatively speaking, Arnold is pro-gun.  Compared to the opposition in '04, '06, and likely '08 as well, Arnold is a Patriot.  We are certainly better off than Maryland and Mass are this year.


Oh, one more thing to consider: Since the Dems last held Congressional power, how many more states have CCW, Stand Your Ground, and Castle Doctrines?  The old Democratic leaders may not recognize it, but the myths of gun control have been seen through by a lot of Americans; if they try a new AWB, they'll see a lot of figurative violations of the Third Rule.  The Dem victory was about scandals and war losses, not about a general approval of the Democrat's (non-existent) platform.
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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2006, 03:18:29 AM »
Agreed.  Gun control is waay down on the to-do list for Democrats.  As pointed out, many of them ran on pro gun platforms.  I dont see a ban in the future.  If things swing wrong in '08 then maybe.
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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2006, 03:29:59 AM »
George Will's column mentions that several Democrats who won actually respect the Second Amendment, and the Democratic Party ("slow learners but educable") has dropped gun control as an issue.

We'll see.
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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2006, 05:55:42 AM »
Agreed.  Gun control is waay down on the to-do list for Democrats.  As pointed out, many of them ran on pro gun platforms.  I dont see a ban in the future.  If things swing wrong in '08 then maybe.

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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2006, 06:13:01 AM »
George Will's column mentions that several Democrats who won actually respect the Second Amendment, and the Democratic Party ("slow learners but educable") has dropped gun control as an issue.
We'll see.
Jim Webb in Va for example...

He's gone on record supporting the 2nd as not only a right of self defense against criminals but also a right of self defense against tyrants. 

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Dear Virginia Sportsmen and Gun Owners,

As a long-time member of the National Rifle Association, you can imagine my surprise when I received a mailing in the form of an Orange Card saying "VOTE FREEDOM FIRST ON NOVEMBER 7 - VOTE GEORGE ALLEN FOR THE U.S. SENATE!"

I am writing this letter to make certain that no Virginia sportsmen or gun owner has any question concerning my stand on Second Amendment and sportsmen rights.

To be clear, I value and will defend your right of self-defense. As a Marine combat veteran who shot "double expert" and once taught the .45 pistol to Officer Candidates, and as a former Secretary of the Navy under Ronald Reagan, I know first hand the importance of armed self-defense by law-abiding citizens as a deterrent to criminals, and in the long term, to would-be tyrants.

I have possessed a concealed-carry permit for many years, and shoot regularly. I have made no secret during this campaign of the fact that I carry. I support a national concealed carry permit. I also will sponsor a bill in the United States Senate that repeals the National Park Gun Ban that disarms only law-abiding citizens in Interior Department/National Park Service across Virginia. And I intend to get it to the floor for a vote.

Please compare this background with that of my opponent. Individual Second Amendment Rights are ingrained into my Scots-Irish culture, and I stand where I stand.


On the sporting side, I support opening up more Federal land for sportsmen. Federal land is, after all, the property of all Americans. In addition, I support air and water quality measures that improve wildlife habitat. I will be monitoring the "Farm Bill" and its wildlife habitat programs to make sure that Virginia and our abundance of National Forest lands gets its fair share of funding for our wildlife programs.

You can also imagine my frustration when I received my NRA magazine and saw there was a question mark beside my grade. Only after complaining to the NRA did they finally post my grade on their website. I got an "A" which was purposefully omitted from the NRA orange card that, to my shock, urged a vote for George Allen. The question is, why did they not mention my own lifetime of support on these issues?

In order to fully clear the air, I am making public my 2006 NRA Candidate Survey. You can find that at www.webbforsenate.com/nrasurvey.pdf I challenge George Allen to do the same. We should have no more secret surveys in Virginia when it comes to our right to keep and bear arms.

Please help me clear up this deliberate distortion by an organization that I must regretfully conclude has more on its agenda than protecting the earned Second Amendment rights of our citizens

Other than giving power to the Democrats, Webb's not that bad of a choice.  I was put off by some of his words about economic fairness, but I was equally put off by Allen's talk about Constitutional amendments for gay marriage and flag burning. 

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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2006, 08:27:33 AM »
Agreed.  Gun control is waay down on the to-do list for Democrats.  As pointed out, many of them ran on pro gun platforms.  I dont see a ban in the future.  If things swing wrong in '08 then maybe.

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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2006, 10:34:59 AM »
Well, gun control ain't down very far on Charlie Rangel's list. From Michelle Malkin:

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http://michellemalkin.com/archives/006337.htm

"Who the hell wants to live in Mississippi?"
By Michelle Malkin   Â·   November 09, 2006 02:46 PM

Charlie Rangel opens his mouth...and mocks the South: (hat tip: reader CRB)

    Its not just committees  our influence within the House Democratic caucus will grow enormously, Mr. Rangel said in an interview.

    To that end, he sketched out an expansive federal agenda: Teaming up with Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg on gun control, passing new tax incentives for urban job programs, and redirecting federal money to New York in return for the outsize tax collections that the federal government makes here.

    Mississippi gets more than their fair share back in federal money, but who the hell wants to live in Mississippi? Mr. Rangel said.

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Re: Arms-Bearing Can Bear the Defeat
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2006, 10:48:17 AM »
Keep in mind the Dem leadership can control what gets to the floor but if they publically snub pro-gun legislation by their own people they are going to look like the Socialist tyrants they are, for good or ill.

Also, if they do in-Party polls and find that an AWB II will be publically opposed by many Dem. members it will be political stupidity to reveal for all to see that the red/blue divide exists within their "mandate".

They can't show weakness, and still try to force the political direction.  Opening up internecine gun battles will show how fractured they are.  If I were them I'd stick to issues they can get monolithic blocks to vote on.  Impeachment, "cut and run" and major gun control are not on that list.

Investigations (held excruciatingly polite and "bi-partisan", minimum wage and tweaking taxes are.
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