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The little Guys are Going Under
« on: February 23, 2009, 07:13:12 PM »
From today's Craigs List for NoVa:

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Have to sell it all - $10000 (Nova, DC, MD)
Reply to: sale-1046511020@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
Date: 2009-02-23, 6:52AM EST


16' trailer to sell which is full of tools. Great for someone who is starting a new business or expanding an existing business. Have a variety of tools to sell. 7 framing guns, 4 trim guns, 6 circular saws 3 table saws, 3 recipricating saws, 3 compressors, you name it and most likely, I have it. Trailer was bought 2 yrs ago brand new and is in great shape with a ladder rack. You can reach me at 703-298-9493. Thanks

Ads like this tell me another owner-operated contractor is changing his life and trying to salvage a considerable investment. Sad.

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2009, 07:24:16 PM »
Several other possibilities:

A run-in with law enforcement
A divorce
A bad business model
etc
etc

It's an ad for a trailer full of tools.  The circumstances surrounding the sale could be anything.

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2009, 07:53:11 PM »
they are going under right and left  you can pick up real deals if you have cash. saw a 2005 bobcat with bucket for 5 k the other day 
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2009, 08:08:52 PM »
Ma and Pa operations are closing up here too.  Huge drop in seasonal visitors and part time residents is choking off the pipeline for many small business owners.

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2009, 08:19:23 PM »
I'd say a contractor's trailer.

A local roofing company went Tango Uniform a week or so ago, and held an auction of the assets.

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2009, 08:40:29 PM »
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Welcome to 2009.  Pray that you survive. 

I'm rather curious where all the (literal) hungry/out of work/homeless folks will go. That's going to be... interesting.
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2009, 08:43:51 PM »
On welfare would be my guess PTK.
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2009, 09:01:11 PM »
Whew,

I thought you meant these Little Guys......

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2009, 09:01:38 PM »
Don't worry, when Directive 10-289 comes out, that will fix everything.  :rolleyes:

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2009, 09:17:28 PM »
I have a buddy who owns a small painting business employing a dozen guys painting everything from houses to industrial structures. He's probably going to have to close his business soon...

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2009, 09:19:59 PM »
Remember. Small business entrepreneurs are bad. They aren't working for someone, preferably government, and sharing their wealth with those who do not want to work.

This is making me angrier every day. This is deliberate.

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2009, 10:52:56 PM »
It really is happening. The auction papers in OH are getting more and more liquidation auctions. Going to them is a great opportunity to get random useful stuff for around the farm for pennies on the dollar, if you have the cash flow yourself. Buckets of bolts for a dollar, shelving, machining equipment, cranes, and random industrial stuff. It's a great opportunity for those looking for cheap stuff who couldn't afford it any other way, but it's a bit sad when you see the whole box of Nextel phones that likely represents one out-of-work person each.
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2009, 11:08:21 PM »
Remember. Small business entrepreneurs are bad. They aren't working for someone, preferably government, and sharing their wealth with those who do not want to work.

This is making me angrier every day. This is deliberate.


yea?  well it didn't magically happen since november. this has been building for a couple years.
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2009, 01:18:50 AM »
Yup, pretty much since the democrats tossed the incumbent republicans out of office...
 
IMHO, a lot of the construction guys are having problems because they saw the boom, and thought it would continue forever. They didn't see it as a spike, or a bubble, but as an ever-ascending line... They moved out of their 3BR/1BA house with the carport, and bought MiniMcMansions... Now they're not building as much, and they're not going to "stoop" to doing rehabs or remodels - they still think the fast easy money of new construction is out there. Well, it is, but not to the extent that it'll keep them busy.
 
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2009, 01:38:11 AM »
I'd say a contractor's trailer.

A local roofing company went Tango Uniform a week or so ago, and held an auction of the assets.

Welcome to 2009.  Pray that you survive.   =|

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2009, 09:51:15 AM »
Sometimes working for the Devil that is Wal-Mart has it's good sides.

If I was to become unemployed one of the first places I would put in an applicaiton is at a nearby Wal-mart distribution center. Decent pay for basically unskilled worker (starts around $16 or so an hour) and would hold me over till I got something better.
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2009, 10:15:24 AM »
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Yup, pretty much since the democrats tossed the incumbent republicans out of office...

Not to derail but I'd assume this financial crisis has nothing to do with the billions upon billions we spent in Iraq? The billions that went to no bid contracts with Halliburton, Kellog, Brown & Root. The billions in cash that was lost in Iraq that was supposed to be handed out to the Iraqi people?

I'm sorry but please dont think things arn't interrelated, everything is connected in todays world. Dont try and blame this entire financial crisis on Democrats that took over majority of Congress after Republicans had the majority and Bush was in power for 6 years.

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2009, 10:18:25 AM »
Not to derail but I'd assume this financial crisis has nothing to do with the billions upon billions we spent in Iraq? The billions that went to no bid contracts with Halliburton, Kellog, Brown & Root. The billions in cash that was lost in Iraq that was supposed to be handed out to the Iraqi people?

You're right. It has nothing to do with that.

In comparison of amounts of money spent, you are also very bad at math!

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2009, 10:34:09 AM »

I guess ignorance is bliss.   :rolleyes:

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2009, 10:38:34 AM »
I guess ignorance is bliss.   :rolleyes:

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2009, 10:42:13 AM »
Little guys have always been going under. It's just happening at a faster clip now.
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2009, 10:50:19 AM »
Little guys have always been going under. It's just happening at a faster clip now.

Its part of the market. Companies that become unprofitable now have assets that are of more value than the total value of the firm.

In an economic downturn, this occurs more often. As a result, other companies that are more profitable can buy up these assets:

Tobin's 'q' theory 

Economics theory of investment behavior where 'q' represents the ratio of the market value of a firm's existing shares (share capital) to the replacement cost of the firm's physical assets (thus, replacement cost of the share capital). It states that if q (representing equilibrium) is greater than one (q > 1), additional investment in the firm would make sense because the profits generated would exceed the cost of firm's assets. If q is less than one (q < 1), the firm would be better off selling its assets instead of trying to put them to use. The ideal state is where q is approximately equal to one denoting that the firm is in equilibrium. Also called general equilibrium theory or 'q' theory, it was proposed by the US Nobel laureate economist James Tobin (1918-).

http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/Tobin-s-q-theory.html

The explanation is that as companies have a q that is less than one, they have more assets than the value of the company. In an economic downturn, more companies now have a q of less than 1.

There's your economic lesson for the day.

IF THE ECONOMY IS ALLOWED TO WORK NORMALLY, we will have creative destruction: current assets will be sold off and picked up by other firms. Employees and owners will find something else where they are more highly valued.

It sucks for those in that position, but without it, we'd still be driving  horses and buggies. (or steam cars, or model T's, or....)

However, what will happen right now, I cannot say because the rules keep changing. (Which is why Wall Street is rather skittish)
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2009, 10:52:08 AM »
Seenterman/Maned Wolf...

Keep the snark to a minimum.

Seenterman, if you have any concrete evidence that the American incursion into Iraq is either responsible for, or contributing to, the current fiscal problems, bring it forward.

Supposition is NOT proof.
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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2009, 10:54:10 AM »
It sucks for those in that position, but without it, we'd still be driving  horses and buggies. (or steam cars, or model T's, or....)

You say that as though it would be a bad thing.  I dream of those days. :laugh:

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Re: The little Guys are Going Under
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2009, 11:08:25 AM »
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Seenterman, if you have any concrete evidence that the American incursion into Iraq is either responsible for, or contributing to, the current fiscal problems, bring it forward.

Supposition is NOT proof.

Just like the abundance of evidence that the democrats are to blame for the financial crisis, after being in power for what? About 3 years?