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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #75 on: June 26, 2009, 04:11:30 PM »
I think the Godwining post has went to the land of wind and ghosts. And seriously, are some of the people on this thread trying to get banned?
I doubt they are trying to get banned. I have a hard time caring much about celebrities in the first place, much less ones whose past behavior I found abhorrent. It is just hard for me to care that he is gone. I will not care all that much when OJ passes either.


The Hitler thing was on the other forum, not here.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #76 on: June 26, 2009, 04:13:40 PM »
When I don't care about something, I generally don't keep posting about it.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #77 on: June 26, 2009, 04:37:54 PM »
When I don't care about something, I generally don't keep posting about it.

Perhaps a better choice of words would have been "care for" rather than "care about".

I do not think it is safe for me to be be more explicit in my feelings about the guy.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #78 on: June 26, 2009, 06:51:04 PM »
At least MJ died of normal natural causes. 
Maybe . . . but today, Fox News was reporting that he'd had an injection recently - they were trying to find out whether it was done by himself or his live-in doctor. (The doctor's BMW was towed by police from the Jackson house.)

Demerol kept being mentioned . . .
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2009, 07:07:33 PM »
Demerol kept being mentioned . . .

Yep, I heard that too.  They were talking about this on a local radio show this morning.  The host mentioned that MJ looked awfully stoned in many of his recent appearances.  Of course, you know how rumors go, so take this for what it's worth.

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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #80 on: June 26, 2009, 07:11:27 PM »
This. I know the money is tempting and all, but having your child be an actor/singer/whatever is damn near abuse in my mind.

That is all.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2009, 07:34:19 PM »
I also wonder about the absolute insistence by some of the talking heads that his passing was due entirely to "natural causes" . . .

Probably code for death due to drug overdose, that is commonly known amongst "the media" but which will be hushed up so Al Sharpton doesn't attack the clueless knucklehead who actually reports the truth.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2009, 07:46:27 PM »
I never was a big fan of Michael Jackson, but it's hard not to acknowledge his lifetime of work and contribution to pop music/culture.  That he improved the quality of life for millions around the world is a fact, whether he did anything for me or not.  That's a far greater achievement than I'm likely to ever claim.

Did he do certain things he was accused of?  I'll never know, but I have my doubts.  If you're worth hundreds of millions (or a few billion), don't be around minors without the presence of a half-dozen credible adult witnesses.  Even then, who knows when the witnesses will turn for a small piece of a settlement?  Avoid people (especially those with nothing to lose) - become a recluse.  Apparently, Michael learned that the hard way.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2009, 09:05:41 PM »
I have nothing major to contribute to this thread. I liked Jackson's music, and I don't much care for other peoples' personal lives.

That said:





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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2009, 10:45:46 PM »
That you can find weirdos in pretty much every demographic if you look hard enough...



Seeing that many of us are in some type of demographic, I'd have to agree with you....  =D



That said:





 =D

OK, now....if THAT doesn't deserve the perma-banschwerk, I don't know what does....  ;/

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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #85 on: June 26, 2009, 10:55:22 PM »
hokay.... 6 guys stealing a body, or am i missing something?

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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2009, 11:10:37 PM »
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2009, 11:43:27 PM »
Michael Jackson set to be 'plastinated' after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing

By Daily Mail Reporter and Allan Hall

Last updated at 7:21 PM on 26th June 2009

Michael Jackson will live on as a 'plastinated' creature preserved by controversial German doctor Gunther von Hagens after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing.

It was widely believed that the singer, who died yesterday from a heart attack, was interested in having his body frozen in the hope he could later be brought back to life.

However, it is now likely to be too late for his wish to be granted as the freezing process - cryonics - must be initiated almost immediately after death but an autopsy on Jackson's body still needs to be carried out.

Von Hagens, who has caused widespread controversy with his practice of preserving corpses with polyurethane, today declared: 'An agreement is in place to plastinate the King of Pop.'

Von Hagens said that he spoke with representatives of the Jackson family 'many months ago' and it was agreed that his body will be plastinated and placed next to Bubbles, his late pet monkey who was also plastinated a number of years ago and is currently exhibited at The Body Worlds & Mirror Of Time exhibition at the O2 in London.

Refuted by everyone from the pope to the chief rabbi in Israel, 'plastination' is when corpses are embalmed with preserving polyurethane and frozen forever.

In contrast, cryonics is the cooling of legally dead people to liquid nitrogen temperature where physical decay essentially stops, with the idea that technology developed in the future will be able to revive them.

No-one has ever been revived using this process although it is a popular subject in science fiction films such as Forever Young featuring Mel Gibson.

Despite this, cryogenic freezing has become more popular over time.

Media mogul Simon Cowell caused headlines recently after he said that he wanted to undergo the process.

'Medical science is bound to work out a way of bringing us back to life in the next century or so, and I want to be available when they do,' he said.

Speaking of Michael's final requests, Dr von Hagens also confirmed that he wanted to be reunited with Bubbles.

'There is no better place than to do this at the venue where Jackson was due to perform his world record 50-date tour,' said a spokesman for von Hagens.

He added: 'Whilst von Hagens is keen to keep the pose of the superstar's plastinate under wraps, he hinted that the moonwalk position would naturally be favoured.

'It is hoped the exhibit will be unveiled towards the end of July for all fans to visit and pay their respects.'

Cryogenic freezing is offered in America by the Alcor Life Extension Foundation and Cryonics Institute.

Between them, they currently have 178 frozen patients and 1,000 members signed up to the scheme.

How cryonics works

The medical process is a complicated one. Immediately after a cryonic patient's death certificate is signed by a doctor, a cryonics team restores the heartbeat and respiration using a machine to help keep cells in organs and tissues alive.

The patient's body is then cooled from body temperature (37C) to 10C as quickly as possible using ice.
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Medication is added to their bloodstream to help preserve the body.

Blood is then removed from the body and replaced with a saline-like solution that stops the shrinking or swelling of cells and tissues.

Anti-freeze agents are added to the blood vessels and the body is placed in a special cooling box where it is cooled to between -120C and -196C and stored away.

However, for this process to have any chance of working, the cryonic process must be started just minutes after 'legal death' is verified by doctors.

This is because a dead person's brain will start to experience a build-up of lactic acid at room temperature. Within 24 hours it will have virtually dissolved.

So with an autopsy on Michael Jackson expected 24 hours after his death, it's already too late for the Peter Pan of pop who never wanted to grow up.

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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #88 on: June 26, 2009, 11:49:17 PM »
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No-one has ever been revived using this process although it is a popular subject in science fiction films such as Forever Young featuring Mel Gibson...


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195750/Michael-Jackson-set-plastinated-missing-deadline-cryogenic-freezing.html#

Kind of sad that this line was felt neccessary to be included in what is (ostensibly) a news article intended for a primarily adult readership.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #89 on: June 26, 2009, 11:50:20 PM »
I have nothing major to contribute to this thread. I liked Jackson's music, and I don't much care for other peoples' personal lives.

That said:





 =D

Actually, that is sort of a tribute, IMO.  
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #90 on: June 26, 2009, 11:51:14 PM »
Technically, I understand they've revived some simpler animals. At any rate, YMMV, but I think cryonics is the way to go.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #91 on: June 27, 2009, 12:00:53 AM »
hokay.... 6 guys stealing a body, or am i missing something?

No, they're Moonwalking the coffin to the grave.

Quite funny, actually. Took me a few seconds to get it.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #92 on: June 27, 2009, 02:24:59 AM »
I posted something Mike liked?  :O
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #93 on: June 27, 2009, 02:38:00 AM »
Plastinated? Is that even a real word? Putting your hope for future revival in a guy who's just making words up... :lol:
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #94 on: June 27, 2009, 02:41:47 AM »
As far as I understand, plastination is just a way to preserve the body's shape. Once the brain starts degrading, you're gone, gone, gone.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #95 on: June 27, 2009, 04:29:01 AM »
Yeah, and the main problem with Cryonics is the thawing process, IIRC. The proteins break down and you turn to mush. Suffice to say, it may be a long time -if ever- that people can be frozen, thawed, and brought back to life.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #96 on: June 27, 2009, 04:43:26 AM »
Plastinated? Is that even a real word? Putting your hope for future revival in a guy who's just making words up... :lol:

There'd be no hope for revivial after plastination. I saw the exhibit in London a few years ago, interesting stuff in the most part.

The process replaces tissue with the plastic, Hagen claims that it is good enough that structures can be studied with an electron microscope post-plastination.
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #97 on: June 27, 2009, 11:51:53 AM »
So this fellow is not claiming possible revival after "plastination?"
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #98 on: June 27, 2009, 12:04:13 PM »
Whatever happened to carbon freezing?
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Re: Michael Jackson Dead
« Reply #99 on: June 27, 2009, 12:14:47 PM »
So this fellow is not claiming possible revival after "plastination?"

Nope, your tissues are rendered away and replaced with plastic. It is done for display and study purposes, although with von Hagen it's also about taking a controversial show all around the world and making lots of money. Imagine the revenues if he had Jacksons plastinated corpse?

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