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Interesting where he accuses the US of fawning over a "Hockey Mom", but then cites numerous examples where "the world" fawns over an empty suit. And of course if Obama loses, it's because we're all racists.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/10/uselections2008.barackobama

The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
An America that disdains Obama for his global support risks turning current anti-Bush feeling into something far worse
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    * Jonathan Freedland
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          o Jonathan Freedland
          o The Guardian,
          o Wednesday September 10 2008
          o Article history

The feeling is familiar. I had it four years ago and four years before that: a sinking feeling in the stomach. It's a kind of physical pessimism which says: "It's happening again. The Democrats are about to lose an election they should win - and it could not matter more."

In my head, I'm not as anxious for Barack Obama's chances as I was for John Kerry's in 2004 or Al Gore's in 2000. He is a better candidate than both put together, and all the empirical evidence says this year favours Democrats more than any since 1976. But still, I can't shake off the gloom.

Look at yesterday's opinion polls, which have John McCain either in a dead heat with Obama or narrowly ahead. Given the well-documented tendency of African-American candidates to perform better in polls than in elections - thanks to people who say they will vote for a black man but don't - this suggests Obama is now trailing badly. More troubling was the ABC News-Washington Post survey which found McCain ahead among white women by 53% to 41%. Two weeks ago, Obama had a 15% lead among women. There is only one explanation for that turnaround, and it was not McCain's tranquilliser of a convention speech: Obama's lead has been crushed by the Palin bounce.

So you can understand my pessimism. But it's now combined with a rising frustration. I watch as the Democrats stumble, uncertain how to take on Sarah Palin. Fight too hard, and the Republican machine, echoed by the ditto-heads in the conservative commentariat on talk radio and cable TV, will brand Democrats sexist, elitist snobs, patronising a small-town woman. Do nothing, and Palin's rise will continue unchecked, her novelty making even Obama look stale, her star power energising and motivating the Republican base.

So somehow Palin slips out of reach, no revelation - no matter how jaw-dropping or career-ending were it applied to a normal candidate - doing sufficient damage to slow her apparent march to power, dragging the charisma-deprived McCain behind her.

We know one of Palin's first acts as mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska was to ask the librarian the procedure for banning books. Oh, but that was a "rhetorical" question, says the McCain-Palin campaign. We know Palin is not telling the truth when she says she was against the notorious $400m "Bridge to Nowhere" project in Alaska - in fact, she campaigned for it - but she keeps repeating the claim anyway. She denounces the dipping of snouts in the Washington trough - but hired costly lobbyists to make sure Alaska got a bigger helping of federal dollars than any other state.

She claims to be a fiscal conservative, but left Wasilla saddled with debts it had never had before. She even seems to have claimed "per diem" allowances - taxpayers' money meant for out-of-town travel - when she was staying in her own house.

Yet somehow none of this is yet leaving a dent. The result is that a politician who conservative blogger Andrew Sullivan calls a "Christianist" - seeking to politicise Christianity the way Islamists politicise Islam - could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency. Remember, this is a woman who once addressed a church congregation, saying of her work as governor - transport, policing and education - "really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God".

If Sarah Palin defies the conventional wisdom that says elections are determined by the top of the ticket, and somehow wins this for McCain, what will be the reaction? Yes, blue-state America will go into mourning once again, feeling estranged in its own country. A generation of young Americans - who back Obama in big numbers - will turn cynical, concluding that politics doesn't work after all. And, most depressing, many African-Americans will decide that if even Barack Obama - with all his conspicuous gifts - could not win, then no black man can ever be elected president.

But what of the rest of the world? This is the reaction I fear most. For Obama has stirred an excitement around the globe unmatched by any American politician in living memory. Polling in Germany, France, Britain and Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities, with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. If November 4 were a global ballot, Obama would win it handsomely. If the free world could choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama.

The crowd of 200,000 that rallied to hear him in Berlin in July did so not only because of his charisma, but also because they know he, like the majority of the world's population, opposed the Iraq war. McCain supported it, peddling the lie that Saddam was linked to 9/11. Non-Americans sense that Obama will not ride roughshod over the international system but will treat alliances and global institutions seriously: McCain wants to bypass the United Nations in favour of a US-friendly League of Democracies. McCain might talk a good game on climate change, but a repeated floor chant at the Republican convention was "Drill, baby, drill!", as if the solution to global warming were not a radical rethink of the US's entire energy system but more offshore oil rigs.

If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.

Until now, anti-Americanism has been exaggerated and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has mostly been anti-Bushism, opposition to this specific administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but Americans themselves. For it will have been the American people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once-in-a-generation chance for a fresh start - a fresh start the world is yearning for.

And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate's Jacob Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would conclude that "the United States had its day, but in the end couldn't put its own self-interest ahead of its crazy irrationality over race".

Even if it's not ethnic prejudice, but some other aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline". Let's not forget, McCain's campaign manager boasts that this election is "not about the issues."

Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the "candidate of Europe" and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.

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For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars

Actually the amount of casualties from wars and violence on the planet is at a historical low, but hey. Who's counting?
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Who truely gives a rat's ass what the rest of the world wants.!? angry

This is our "leader".  Take care of your problems and leave us the hell alone.

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Most of the world consists of abject failures of governments and pestilent hellholes ruled by corrupt warlords.

Tell me again why we should care what they think?

Russia? Russia is ruled by a KGB thug and they're okay with that, they haven't revolted and tossed him out. Germany has record unemployment because they've allowed themselves to become a welfare state that is now absolutely dependent on Russian gas supplies as well. The UK, Germany and Spain are going into a recession due to their asinine economic policies.

We're doing a hell of a lot better than most of the world. They can get their own houses in order. Until then, WE are the example they should be looking at. We must be doing something right, because people keep wanting to come here!!!

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For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars - on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, "historical decline".

As opposed to a junior senator who voted "present" most of the time, has no real experience besides organizing better ways to bum more food stamps from the government with a known terrorist, and before that, did nose candy in a NY apartment with someone he traveled to Pakistan with and won't talk about. Right.

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America declared independence for the exact purpose of not having to listen to what some dudes in Europe have to say any more.
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It should be pointed out that the vast majority of the UK press (but especially the Guardian, whose coverage of the election is probably more biased than the Obama campaigns is), and it appears the vast majority of European press, are so deeply in the tank for Obama it is untrue.  

As for the article itself, it is so deeply risible as to defy rational analysis, but I do especially like the claim that Obama is "a better candidate than both (Kerry and Gore) put together".  Werent Kerry and Gore ahead at this time in their campaigns?

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America declared independence for the exact purpose of not having to listen to what some dudes in Europe have to say any more.

I'm so putting that in my sig line.

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"The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for"

OK, first off, when the hell did the rest of the world elect our president?

"If the free world could choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama."

Ah, but the free world doesn't choose its leader. The only reason the United States is the leader of the free world is because we didn't stupidly destroy ourselves twice in one fricking century. We just had to go in and clean up the mess that resulted from a long litany of European failures.

Secondly, what are they going to do, taunt us?

Third, where the hell was this guy during the 1980s? "For Obama has stirred an excitement around the globe unmatched by any American politician in living memory."

Hello, Reagan at the Brandenburg Gate? Millions of Eastern Europeans looking to him as their only hope for ridding their lives of Communism? Oh, I forgot. To this guy, Communism is probably a good thing...


Any more, I'm getting to the point of viewing politicans for national office by the relative merits of how much they will piss off Euroweenies.

I'd vote for Genghis Kahn for president if he could make the European Union soil itself.


As for the rest of the world going from hating Bush to hating America based on the possible outcome of this election, I would view that as a PERFECT opportunity for the United States to start repaying that ardor by reining in the vast amounts of money and aide we give these so called friendly nations.

"Hey, you hate America? Well, guess what, the only reason your festering sewer has a sewer and clean water is because of America. But, since you now hate America, you don't deserve our help. Americans need the same things as you, and you know, Americans tend to be a bit more appreciative of the assistance they get. So... bugger off and enjoy your AIDS, malaria, water-borne illnesses, and your famine."
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The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for.

If the free world could choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama.

Fine.  Make him Secretary General of the UN and get him the heck out of the US.  Then he can go "lead the world."

In the meantime, we'll have John and Sara do the heavy lifting until 2012, when we can get a real conservative in the #1 chair.
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When the media use the term "world," they mean LEFT.

The world doesn't hate America, the Left does.
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I'm not McCain fan.  But the world can just piss right off. 

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Possible outcome.

HK extends its "You suck and we hate you" policy to America in general, not just American civilians. cheesy

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<expletive deleted> the Europeans, I only care for the Swiss and Finns, only Eurpoeans with a set of Cahoneas(you know what I'm trying to say) with a love for freedom. We don't need the French or English and the rest of them, they don't want to do business with us fine. We need to become self-sufficient and off oil anyways, they need our corn and grain. Getting self-sufficient would get our economy healthy again anyways with new jobs in green energy, nuclear power plants, steel mills, refinerys and such. If we're smart enough to lock up Brazil with treaties and alliances, we can keep the breadbaskets of the world locked up tight and they'll have to go to Russia for their oil and food. I'm a fanatic of America, true to a fault, a xenophobe of 'European Ideas'. Anyone who comes to this country, speaks or learns to speak english, and adopts the American way is good by me irregardless of origin (I like my Thai, Sushi, and Indian food), the rest we can toss over to France, including the lefty commie types we got here. We've already let too much of the world's view infect our country with their love for mediocrity, Fascism, bending over to fascism and becoming neo-modern secular slaves.

Not saying we don't have our own house to put in order, that's going to take time and need to start sooner than later but to borrow from Russell Crowe in "Gladiator", America is the only light that shines in a dark and cruel world (except/add for Switzerland, Finnland, Denmark, Israel, Caymans, Georgia (country), some others too), should America fall so should all that is great and good in the world falls with it.

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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2008, 08:22:50 AM »
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I'm a fanatic of America . . . speaks or learns to speak english . . . irregardless of origin

Sometimes the fanatics are the most ironic. grin

English language police=> police

Annoy the Media and Europeans, vote Palin in '08.

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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2008, 08:31:53 AM »
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I'm a fanatic of America . . . speaks or learns to speak english . . . irregardless of origin

Sometimes the fanatics are the most ironic. grin

English language police=> police

Annoy the Media and Europeans, vote Palin in '08.



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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
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. . . Secondly, what are they going to do, taunt us?
Uh oh, this could get ugly . . .
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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2008, 08:46:09 AM »
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For America to make a decision as grave as this one - while the planet boils and with the US fighting two wars

Actually the amount of casualties from wars and violence on the planet is at a historical low, but hey. Who's counting?

Gee, the planet is "boiling", yet the average temperature is lower than ten years ago, and the ice caps are GROWING.
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Besides that, judging from the governments some of these places have, it sounds like an endorsement for McCain/Palin. Do we really want the kind of leadership they seem to like?

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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2008, 11:06:28 AM »
Translation:  "If you don't emasculate yourselves during this election cycle, we will continue to be pissy."

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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2008, 11:12:31 AM »

Secondly, what are they going to do, taunt us?


Hank beat me too it, but I don't care.



Take that, "rest of the world".
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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2008, 01:30:15 PM »
Translation:  "If you don't emasculate yourselves during this election cycle, we will continue to be pissy."

Indeed. 

The sad part (for me at least) is that over here our choice come the next General Election is between any number of identikit political-class drones who are indistinguishable in every meaningful aspect (including policy) apart from the colour of their rosettes.  While you get to choose between McCain and Obama, we get to have Brown, whoever finishes Brown off, or Cameron, foisted upon us.  All of our choices are to the left of Obama. 

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edit:  that said, none of our elections have featured a fashionable jewellery symbol that benefits one of the candidates, so I guess I still pity you all:

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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2008, 01:56:25 PM »
You know, if the world wanted us to vote for Obama, they'd tell us to vote for McCain. I guaran-damn-tee you that every time someone from Europe publishes an article telling Americans who to vote for, the person supported by the Europeans automatically loses votes.

It's in our blood.  We fought at least two wars to remain independent from Europe (three, if you count WWII - though whether or not Hitler could have invaded the Americas if he succeeded in Europe is suspect), so them trying to help a presidential candidate actually hurts that candidate in the long run.
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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2008, 06:04:56 PM »
This just highlights for me how Europe just doesn't understand American culture. We all know the joke that American culture is vapid or non-existent. But the truth is that we do have very detailed, but unspoken rules for behavior and thought. There is a religious and political history that most of the world is flatly ignorant of, but we subconsciously include in all of our dialog. The effect is that they take the discussion of American culture found in television and movies at face value; but leaves them completely clueless to how we really think or in this case, how the American gov't really works. Its funny how there is no mention of Congress and its ultimate war powers, but instead a laser focus on "Bush's Wars against the Peace of the World".


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Re: The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2008, 06:25:37 PM »
All quotes are from the Guardian article:

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The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for
An America that disdains Obama for his global support risks turning current anti-Bush feeling into something far worse

Shakin' in my boots, Mr. Freedland.  Shakin' in my boots.

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The feeling is familiar. I had it four years ago and four years before that: a sinking feeling in the stomach. It's a kind of physical pessimism which says: "It's happening again. The Democrats are about to lose an election they should win - and it could not matter more."

Well, obviously if you've had this feeling twice before, you were dead wrong about how "...it could not matter more.", now, weren't you?  So, perhaps you ought to reassess the situation.

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In my head, I'm not as anxious for Barack Obama's chances as I was for John Kerry's in 2004 or Al Gore's in 2000. He is a better candidate than both put together, and all the empirical evidence says this year favours Democrats more than any since 1976.

Isn't Obama BEHIND where those two were at this point in the campaign?

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So you can understand my pessimism. But it's now combined with a rising frustration. I watch as the Democrats stumble, uncertain how to take on Sarah Palin. Fight too hard, and the Republican machine, echoed by the ditto-heads in the conservative commentariat on talk radio and cable TV, will brand Democrats sexist, elitist snobs, patronising a small-town woman. Do nothing, and Palin's rise will continue unchecked, her novelty making even Obama look stale, her star power energising and motivating the Republican base.

Yeah, it really sucks for the Republicans to have done your bit better than you do, huh?  But hey, Democrats have been playing the "untouchable" card since pretty early on in this election, so that must mean it's okay, right?

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If Sarah Palin defies the conventional wisdom that says elections are determined by the top of the ticket, and somehow wins this for McCain, what will be the reaction? Yes, blue-state America will go into mourning once again, feeling estranged in its own country. A generation of young Americans - who back Obama in big numbers - will turn cynical, concluding that politics doesn't work after all.

But it would be just FINE if red-state America has to deal with such an outcome in the case of an Obama win - after all, they're just red-staters, right?  Their politics SHOULDN'T work?  Their cynicism and estrangement don't matter, right?

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And, most depressing, many African-Americans will decide that if even Barack Obama - with all his conspicuous gifts - could not win, then no black man can ever be elected president.

"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." 
Bold words.  STIRRING words.  Words that MEAN something, that are IMPORTANT.  But not words that are particularly relevant, apparently, as compared to the prospect of getting a black man elected to the Presidency, regardless of the content of his character - or his political platform.  I saw comments to this effect a few months ago, people of African descent saying "Y'know, I'm a Republican, and I believe in my party's platform - but by God, I might just vote for Obama just because he's got dark skin and a decent shot at the White House."  WTF?!?  If you turn that around, so that a Democrat is singing the praises of John McCain because of his lack of melanin pigmentation, you couldn't hear yourself THINK over the screams of "RACISM!!!!1!" - with some justification, I think.  Why was there no notice taken of these comments, no one in the media, say, pointing out the blatant racism, the whole-hearted abandonment of Dr. King's dream, when black leaders made those comments? 

Guess "character" doesn't mean all that much after all.   sad

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But what of the rest of the world? This is the reaction I fear most. For Obama has stirred an excitement around the globe unmatched by any American politician in living memory. Polling in Germany, France, Britain and Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities, with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia, the Middle East and Latin America. If November 4 were a global ballot, Obama would win it handsomely. If the free world could choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama.

Tell ya what, guys - when this is all over and done with, you can HAVE him.

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If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us four more years of the Bush-Cheney finger. And I predict a deeply unpleasant shift.

Feel free to include us out the next time you have some sort of internal strife or natural disaster you'd like our help dealing with, then.  So far, you've been screaming at us for wrongly being "the world's policemen", and screaming at us for failing to do enough in that outside-appointed task, as well.  Some of us over here are getting more than a little tired of you ungrateful bastards trying to have it both ways.

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Of course I know that even to mention Obama's support around the world is to hurt him.

Then why'd you write this rant, anyways, Jon? 

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Incredibly, that large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the "candidate of Europe" and making him seem less of a patriotic American. But what does that say about today's America, that the world's esteem is now unwanted?

I forget, did France, Spain, Germany, the UK, any of the nations of Europe, care what U.S. opinion of their leaders was?  Did those nations, those peoples, actively seek out the approval of residents of the United States when they were holding their own elections?  Do they care about our opinions about their sitting leaders and their actions?  No?  Then why on Earth do you imagine that we should care about YOUR opinion of OUR election, OUR leader?

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If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.

Good - saves you a trip to the audiometry booth, I guess.