The world's verdict will be harsh if the US rejects the man it yearns for

[longeyes]

If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending the clearest possible message to the rest of us - and, make no mistake, we shall hear it.

Can we count on that?

[Perd Hapley]

Forget about the world's verdict.  What will God do to us, if we reject His Chosen?   

[S_O_Laban]

Generally speaking.... when Euros are sure we are doing the wrong thing.... it's a ringing endorsement that we are on the right track.

[xavier fremboe]

Well, we'll probably include a gesture, too.

[Waitone]

Yesterday or the day before Limbaugh predicted poll reportage would shift from the horse race in the US to what the world thinks for the simple reason domestic polls are breaking toward the republican team.  Positive spin coming from polls for O'Bama would have to come from overseas.

Looks like he was right.

[Perd Hapley]

He's guaranteed to be almost always right, 99.6% of the time.   

[Wildalaska]

Generally speaking.... when Euros are sure we are doing the wrong thing.... it's a ringing endorsement that we are on the right track.

Great place to visit, but I couldn't live there. Funny, I was just in France and Germany, the Germans I was hanging around with were far less critical of the US than their press would have you believe...then again, these guys all had jobs.

I tried not to talk to anyone in France, except Belgians.

[macadore]

I forget, did France, Spain, Germany, the UK, any of the nations of Europe, care what U.S. opinion of their leaders was?  Did those nations, those peoples, actively seek out the approval of residents of the United States when they were holding their own elections?  Do they care about our opinions about their sitting leaders and their actions?

France and Germany did and do. Look at who they elected. These countries have a left wing press just like we do. The French and Germans I know are fine people who respect and appreciate the U.S. Paris has major avenues named for Washington and Wilson. Paris, like New York City, is a large crowded city with a lot of immigrants who are brainwashed and who believe what they read in Le Monde. The French people I have met dont take Le Monde any more serious than most people here take the New York Times.  My wife is German and her family is more pro American than your typical Democrat.

[86thecat]

Wouldn't break my heart if a little problem at the new super collider sucked about half of Europe into a small warp.

[seeker_two]

Sounds like it's time for the US to pull out of the international community (esp. foreign aid) for awhile and let "the world" solve its own problems....

[TommyGunn]

So we should elect Obamalamadingdong because ... the world yearns for (him?)

Puuuuhhleeeaasssseeee .....

I don't give a rat's derriere what the world thinks. 
They'll conclude we're "racist" if Obamnalamnadingdong looses?   ooops, sorry 'bout that.
 

It seems to me that the same part of the world that whines about America inserting its nose into other country's business unwarrantedly are themselves trying to claim they have some "say" in American politics ....

CAN YOU SPELL HYPOCRISY?

[Boomhauer]

Hey, TommyGunn, we stay away from calling the candidates names like that.

Other than that, welcome to APS!

[richyoung]

Should we care?  If so, why?

Alas, it pains me to admit, we should care... here's why.

1. American culture is derived from Europe.

That's right - & it's not exactly a military secret.  Democracy, our language, money, (back when we had real money...),common law, weights and measures, agricultural crops, tools, fundamental military precepts, even our Judeo-Christian heritage and our booze - all brought over from Europe.  We drink "Scotch", not "Malaysian"...

2.  Two World Wars and the Cold War had European theaters - and Uncle Sam had roles in all three, big roles in two of them...

3.  Europe is a good spot to put interceptor missles to destroy Islamic ICBMs shot at us over the North Pole.

4.  Its a Global Economy.

...none of which is a reason to vote for Obama.  ALL of which are why we need to do a much better job of educating the world WHY no one should vote for Obama, or any form of socialism/communism/fascism/nazism/collectivism.

[Crow1108]

And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If it is deemed to have been about race - that Obama was rejected because of his colour - the world's verdict will be harsh.

Anyone who plays the race card against someone who doesn't want to vote for Obama is pretty ignorant in my book. If Larry Elder were to run for political office, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat.

[K Frame]

"1. American culture is derived from Europe."

That may have been a far more relevant point 175 years ago when the United States was still trying to find its way in the world. But today, it's not. American culture has evolved on its own and is now a tremendous influence on Europe. It's hardly a one way street anymore.

Our system of Government owes as much to Asia (Greece) as it does to Europe (Rome). The American concept of Constitutional representative government as to how it defines the rights of citizens and places limits on government is our own, and has been tremendously influential around the world.

The Judeo-Christian heritage is also originally derived from Asia and was only transplanted to the US via Europe.

Agricultural crops? Corn is arguably our most important crop, and it's a New World crop. Globally, corn is the most important cereal crop there is, wheat is second (it originated in Asia), and rice is third.

Agriculturally, tomatoes are also a New World crop, as are potatoes, and both of those have had a tremendous impact on European.

As for alcohol, we also drink a lot of beer, and beer is another Asian contribution to world culture.

Sorry, American culture isn't some lockstep transplant from Northern Europe.

[drewtam]

Should we care?  If so, why?

Alas, it pains me to admit, we should care... here's why.

1. American culture is derived from Europe.

That's right - & it's not exactly a military secret.  Democracy, our language, money, (back when we had real money...),common law, weights and measures, agricultural crops, tools, fundamental military precepts, even our Judeo-Christian heritage and our booze - all brought over from Europe.  We drink "Scotch", not "Malaysian"...

2.  Two World Wars and the Cold War had European theaters - and Uncle Sam had roles in all three, big roles in two of them...

3.  Europe is a good spot to put interceptor missles to destroy Islamic ICBMs shot at us over the North Pole.

4.  Its a Global Economy.

Completely disagree, as my previous post in this thread explains. Our cultural heritage may have started in Europe (and that's true for many central and south American immigrants as well). But sooo much time has passed that their culture is not nearly as relevant anymore and does not translate here anymore.

Our democracy has moved in a completely different direction than theirs. Our concepts of total war came from the civil war, not from Europe. Our concept of lightening war did not start with Germany, but with us during WW1. Our ancestors were known for their wild charges into enemy trenches with early tanks.

Our race relations and issues are not based centuries of African and Indian colonial power that lasted into the 50's and 60's. But rather, left overs of the slave trade before our country was founded; and the fallout of a terrible civil war.

Our religious history is completely different from European religious history. From the very beginning the confederation of colonies was a patchwork of widely varying religious states. To this day Europe does not have the kind of variation we have, regardless of the influence of the Swiss and German protestant of yesteryear and Islam today. Their religious interest was waning to apathy about the time US fervor and piety were just getting started. We moved on in a very different ideological direction.



My point on can be summed up: just because our history goes back to the Romans and the Romans had a Senate and America has a Senate, does not mean that our cultures have any relevance to each other. Regardless of the ancestry that binds, we have no relation to each other.

[drewtam]

Looks like Mike responded while I was typing away. No matter, we seem to share the same conclusion.

[wmenorr67]

Looks like Mike responded while I was typing away. No matter, we seem to share the same conclusion.

Well you know what they say about great minds?  Now we just need to find a few.

[Perd Hapley]

When did Greece become Asian?  I know it's really all one big continent, but I've never seen Greece put on the Asian side of it. 

[K Frame]

Yeah, my bad. I thought Greece straddled Asia and Europe.

It's Turkey that straddles Asia and Europe.

[Laurent du Var]

All it takes is an article from the guardian, a paper
widely read in the whole world to get some of our armed
polite citizens going oohhgguh, ooohguh, oohgguh - how dares the rest
of the world tell us who to vote for.

I would like on behalf of the rest of the world to which I belong and as an
Eurpoean with Judeo-Christian (Asian?) roots and (Asian?) Greek politics and Roman justice to put your mind at ease.

For I do not care who is becoming your next president, and I'm not alone. We have truly enough difficulties back home in good, old Europe, and you can keep your Ex POWs, your disavantaged minorities, your super trooper teenage pregnancies, the Lehman brothers, your Ninja loans, your Action Film  Bodybuilders,  Ike and Britney Spears. There, all yours ! If you let me go to Kentucky fried Chicken once in a while and let me hang out here a little, that'll do for me.... 

 
 

[Stand_watie]

All it takes is an article from the guardian, a paper
widely read in the whole world to get some of our armed
polite citizens going oohhgguh, ooohguh, oohgguh - how dares the rest
of the world tell us who to vote for.

I would like on behalf of the rest of the world to which I belong and as an
Eurpoean with Judeo-Christian (Asian?) roots and (Asian?) Greek politics and Roman justice to put your mind at ease.

For I do not care who is becoming your next president, and I'm not alone. We have truly enough difficulties back home in good, old Europe, and you can keep your Ex POWs, your disavantaged minorities, your super trooper teenage pregnancies, the Lehman brothers, your Ninja loans, your Action Film  Bodybuilders,  Ike and Britney Spears. There, all yours ! If you let me go to Kentucky fried Chicken once in a while and let me hang out here a little, that'll do for me.... 

 
 

     Yeah, Laurent, but we wouldn't mind Europeans like you having an opinion...it's the kind of people who write that Guardian article that we want to pee in the eye of...

[Halo]

She claims to be a fiscal conservative, but left Wasilla saddled with debts it had never had before. She even seems to have claimed "per diem" allowances - taxpayers' money meant for out-of-town travel - when she was staying in her own house.

This is not the first time I've seen this accusation leveled at her. By Alaska law the governor's residence is considered to be Juneau, so when a governor goes to their "real" residence they claim a per diem for the time they are there. There is nothing underhanded about it, but I know that means nothing to her most rabid detractors.

[Laurent du Var]

     Yeah, Laurent, but we wouldn't mind Europeans like you having an opinion...it's the kind of people who write that Guardian article that we want to pee in the eye of...
[/quote]

Well, I do have an opinion. Fairly easy to guess which one, since I hang out here and not at DU. But I wouldn't dream of telling Americans on who to vote for.
Only an Idiot would do so. And an idiot is an idiot first and lives in Idiotistan on the continent of Idiote in an idiot world. I wouldn't want you to call him an European first to describe him and make me look like him...

[HankB]

. . . you can keep your Ex POWs, your disavantaged minorities, your super trooper teenage pregnancies, the Lehman brothers, your Ninja loans, your Action Film  Bodybuilders,  Ike and Britney Spears. There, all yours ! If you let me go to Kentucky fried Chicken once in a while and let me hang out here a little, that'll do for me.... 

No, no, we're trying to send you all of these . . . really we are. Gratis. No need to thank us, either, please accept them with our compliments. And no need to share them with us once they arrive.

We'll even throw in Kentucky Fried Rat Chicken at no extra charge, along with Lindsey Lohan, Paris Hilton, George Soros, half of Kalifornia (we choose which half) and the Democratic National Committee.