Post by: jefnvk on September 22, 2005, 10:39:26 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/22/katrina.pets.ap/index.html
Refusing to leave because you have pets is one thing, that is your decision. Cutting funding or benefits to places hit because there is no provision for pets to be rescued is completely out of line.
Post by: thorn on September 22, 2005, 10:53:02 AM
total backwards legislation.
Post by: Bergeron on September 22, 2005, 01:11:32 PM
When we've had pets, sure, we liked 'em and cared for them, but I ain't bringing an animal with me if I have to evacuate, and I sure as hell don't expect my tax dollars going to take care of them.
To my mind, the only useful thing that government can or should do about pets left behind after a natural disaster is to kill the ones that are nuisances.
Post by: K Frame on September 22, 2005, 01:58:55 PM
So are humans.
To be perfectly blunt about it, there are humans whose lives simply aren't worth nearly as much as a companion animal.
As far as I'm concerned, you're not superior simply because you're bipedal and have opposable thumbs.
Post by: LawDog on September 22, 2005, 02:53:16 PM
I didn't understand anyone who relied upon any level of government for evacuation purposes before Katrina.
Post-Katrina, anyone who relies upon government for evacuation is bloody well brain damaged.
The governments answer to evacuation is the New Orleans Superdome -- folks, are you nuts? I've got teenage female kin. There's no bloody way this side of Annwyn that I'm going to take them anywhere near a Gummint Evac Shelter after what I've heard about the Superdome during, and after, Katrina.
Now, since the OpOrd for the Evac of Clan LawDog doesn't include relying upon anyone other than ourselves, it is a simple matter to expand it to cover family pets.
Something I wuld think anyone would understand on a gut level.
LawDog
Post by: SalukiFan on September 22, 2005, 02:54:42 PM
I could see rampant problems with this too however - dog fights, people with severe allergies, dangerously aggressive "family" pets. It'll be an interesting debate to watch.
Post by: Sylvilagus Aquaticus on September 22, 2005, 07:22:55 PM
I imagine if someone came to my door telling me to bug out and leave 'Scruffy' behind, 'Scruffy' might be eating pretty well for awhile, especially if the 'official' were giving me an 'ultimatum'.
...and yes, I DO own a shovel.
damned sociopath am I, yes.
Regards,Rabbit.
Post by: Guest on September 22, 2005, 07:56:28 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, you're not superior simply because you're bipedal and have opposable thumbs.
If we werent superior then the dogs and cats would be talking about mandatory people evacution in their own legislatures.
Post by: K Frame on September 22, 2005, 08:26:41 PM
Ever hear of the animal migrations that can take place out of areas that are struck by natural disasters?
Animals don't have to sit down and talk about it and attach riders to proposals and try to figure out plans and draw diagrams with sticky flags and evacuations routes.
They get the hell out of dodge.
Humans, on the other hand?
"Ain't no way in hell I'm going to run scared from no storm! I was here when Sherman marched to the sea, I was here when the last ice age finally ended, and I was... do you hear the building creaking?"
I truly suspect, though, that animals don't bother discussing human evacuation simply because they can't believe that we're so stupid as to even wonder whether it's a good idea or not.
Post by: wmenorr67 on September 23, 2005, 03:29:41 AM
Post by: jefnvk on September 23, 2005, 07:06:33 AM
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Let us make sure an admendment is added to the bill to make sure that guns are added to the items allowed to be evacuated
Not a bad idea.Let me just reclarify my position. If you evac yourself, fine, take whatever. If you don;t want to be evac'd after the disaster, fine, stay there. If you do want to be evac'd afterwards, and the police or military has to go in and get you, then you come out alone. No pets, no possessions, just yourself.
Post by: K Frame on September 23, 2005, 07:16:00 AM
Let Darwin work and thin the heard.
Post by: InfidelSerf on September 23, 2005, 08:10:32 AM
I have two cats and have never.. even though the last two cities I've lived in required them.
I'm curious how many others think having to pay for pet license is ridiculous.
Post by: Zundfolge on September 23, 2005, 12:32:47 PM
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I have been astounded by the behavior of some people with regard to pets. You might care deeply about Fluffy, but all it is a animal.
At the risk of sounding mean, my dogs lives are more important to me then your life.I know my dogs so I already know I like them, I don't know you :p
That said, I don't think you should have to pay for my dog's care if we have to evacuate our home.
Post by: lifer on October 02, 2005, 12:33:45 PM
At the risk of sounding like a human being- you are a ...well, I cant say it because I got thrown off another forum for the same thing. I would shoot your mutts down in front of you for talking that trash if I could. One thing that lights me off more than anything else is people "in love" with their mangy dung machines. Ridiculous and perverted. I have heard enough of that dogs are people to and a pet is a part of the family bullcrap.
Post by: K Frame on October 02, 2005, 06:54:43 PM
You wouldn't survive your first shot.
That I guarangoddamntee you.
You're a perfect example of why I find dogs and cats to be far better companionship than so-called humans.
To be frank, I've heard enough of the "humans are superior simply because they're humans." It normally comes from people who know that in the relative pecking order, they're somewhere between worms and fleas.
Post by: jefnvk on October 02, 2005, 07:02:39 PM
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To be frank, I've heard enough of the "humans are superior simply because they're humans." It normally comes from people who know that in the relative pecking order, they're somewhere between worms and fleas.
I guess I am somewhere between worms and fleas then.I'm guessing you put yourself somewhere up around holiness because you put your animals above other people?
Post by: K Frame on October 02, 2005, 07:39:03 PM
Cute. Nice try. Religion has nothing to do with it.
I just view the human race for what it is, not with some misty eyed sense of sentimental self-indulgent over importance.
Post by: jefnvk on October 02, 2005, 08:28:57 PM
I'm not gonna plug fluffy like whoever it was above that would. But, I ain't gonna put fluffy above a person. If, in your opinion, that puts me down with worms and fleas, I'll just have to ignore your short-sightedness, and continue to try and hold some respect for others that disagree with me.
Post by: lifer on October 02, 2005, 09:12:34 PM
That you would kill me for shooting at your fleabag shows what you are- a traitor to your species and way down the pecking order. You should have been born a bitch.
Post by: Art Eatman on October 03, 2005, 04:43:17 AM
Some people just don't place all that much importance to "pets"; others do. That's just people, and it ain't worth worryin' about.
The real issue here is More Gummint Messing in people's lives.
Art
Post by: Zundfolge on October 03, 2005, 07:15:30 AM
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I would shoot your mutts down in front of you for talking that trash if I could. One thing that lights me off more than anything else is people "in love" with their mangy dung machines. Ridiculous and perverted. I have heard enough of that dogs are people to and a pet is a part of the family bullcrap.
Then you better be fast enough and prepared to shoot me because I will kill you (you better hope its me that kills you because it'll be a quick shot to COM and/or head ... my wife would take you apart for hours with a blade..yes, she's capable and willing).As it is, if I meet you now, I'll punch you in the face.
(there ... enough bullshit machismo strutting for you?
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The real issue here is More Gummint Messing in people's lives.
exactly. And the problem with Gummint messing in people's lives is that YOUR valuesystem gets imposed on ME.
Post by: Justin on October 03, 2005, 07:19:23 AM
Bravo.
Post by: K Frame on October 03, 2005, 07:33:42 AM
A traitor to my species? What a joke. Why should I be loyal to a species when the species as a whole has an abysman record at being loyal to itself?
I'd kill you for attempting to harm my property. That's right, under the law, pets are property, and as such can be protected by use of deadly force.
And tell me, why should I have any so-called species loyalty to someone who has stated unequivcally that he would harm my property?
In all situations when dealing with the supposedly superior human rage, loyal is earned. It's not automatic, and in my 40 years I've seen very, very few indications that it's deserved.
Post by: Robert Sears on October 03, 2005, 08:13:03 AM
I would not leave one of my dogs behind to give you a lift out of an area that was being evacuated and I WOULD kill you to protect a member of my family. I'm single and my family is my Collie and my Shiloh Shepherd. I truly feel sorry for "people" who cannot understand the bond that forms between humans and their pets. My niece is is a freshman in college recently told my sister that she misses her 2 dogs and 2 cats more than she does my sister. My niece said, there are other people to talk to here but no animals.
For the record I did leave in the mess that was the evacuation of Houston for Rita. I took my meds,clothes, dogs and guns and left things behind to be sure there was room for the dogs.
Bob
Post by: jefnvk on October 03, 2005, 08:28:35 AM
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I truly feel sorry for "people" who cannot understand the bond that forms between humans and their pets.
And I feel sorry for any 'people' who feel that animals are people's equivalent.
Post by: Robert Sears on October 03, 2005, 11:55:19 AM
I didn't say they were equivalent but they are members of my family. I will protect my family as I am sure would you. People define who is in their family differently.
Bob
Post by: Zundfolge on October 03, 2005, 12:16:19 PM
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I truly feel sorry for "people" who cannot understand the bond that forms between humans and their pets.
And I feel sorry for any 'people' who feel that animals are people's equivalent.Of course the life of anyone who wants my wallet is less valuable to me then my wallet.
Post by: jefnvk on October 03, 2005, 12:35:49 PM
Post by: lifer on October 03, 2005, 10:34:14 PM
I am more credible than anyone else that has posted. Killing people over dogs and cats? Leaving a human being behind and taking your pets? You are all pathetic. A disgrace to MY race. The time is coming when we will all pay for this kind of idiotic thinking. What you spend on your dung machine in food and medical every year would clothe, house and educate one of those future terrorists and make him "one of us." Get it? Or are all of you too stupid to understand what I am talking about?
Post by: lifer on October 03, 2005, 10:52:51 PM
Post by: K Frame on October 04, 2005, 08:13:15 AM
Yep, you're a legend in your own mind.
"Pets are not replacements for children."
Nope. In my opinion, they are superior to children. No college fund, no wrecking your car, no staying out until three a.m. making you wild with worry. I used to think that I wanted kids. Now I'm more than content to leave my friends have the kids and all of the incredible pain in the ass worries that they bring.
One friend's daughter is, at 15, spreading her legs for anything with a penis, has been arrested close to a dozen times for theft, possession, drunk in public, disorderly conduct, and is turning into a hardcore substance abuser. The way I figure it, it won't be long before she's selling herself for a line of coke. Gotta love her, though, I guess, simply because she's a "human" being.
My dog, as a puppy, was better behaved than her, and a hell of a lot more interesting, to boot.
"And I feel sorry for any 'people' who feel that animals are people's equivalent."
Animals aren't equivilent to people.
They're better in far too many ways to count.
Don't like my attitude? Oh well, it's not as if I give a damn about what you think about me. I do, however, care what my dogs think.
Post by: lifer on October 04, 2005, 11:01:30 AM
If you care about what your dogs think you are too far gone to worry about and no longer deserve membership in the human race; like I said, you should have been born a bitch.
Post by: lifer on October 04, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
And by the way, you are not fit to breed anyway. When you are old and gray and waiting for the end, and you have left nothing of yourself behind in this world, you can take comfort in all the money and love you lavished on your dung machines. Good job!
Post by: Guest on October 04, 2005, 11:29:08 AM
Post by: jefnvk on October 04, 2005, 11:44:30 AM
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Don't like my attitude? Oh well, it's not as if I give a damn about what you think about me. I do, however, care what my dogs think.
No, your attitude is fine. Your point of view is fine, I just cannot share it. It is good that we have differing points of view, if everytone always thought the exact same, the world would be aboring place.What I don't care for, from either side, is trying to smear the other side based on 'my view is better than yours, and you aren't human if you don't agree with me'. I did it in hopes of trying to get others to realize they did it, instead of typing this up, which I now realize was probably the better choice.
If you have such a great bond with your pets, fine. I don't. You are probably not going to change that, certainly not if I keep getting refered to as being about the same level as worms, or subhuman because I don't share your point of view.
Post by: Zundfolge on October 04, 2005, 12:59:29 PM
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What you spend on your dung machine in food and medical every year would clothe, house and educate one of those future terrorists and make him "one of us." Get it? Or are all of you too stupid to understand what I am talking about?
Wow ... lifer goes from simple jerk to full blown Communist within one page.Way to go!
Post by: Robert Sears on October 04, 2005, 02:02:51 PM
Please show me where I said you or anyone is a worm or sub -human. I didn't some people are more caring than other. That I consider my dogs to be family members and you don't shows that people are different.
Lifer, I said I wouldn't pick up up on the side of the road. Why should I, I don't know you and have no feelings for you. For all I know you might be part of the small % of society that thought shooting at Rescue helicopters in NO was the right thing to do . My dogs look to me to do what is right for them. I do have feelings for them.I left food, water and extra gas at home when I evacuated for Rita so I had room for my dogs. There was no extra space in my Explorer. I would not throw out my dog to pick you up although I would give you some water.
Bob
Post by: lifer on October 04, 2005, 03:17:03 PM
If understanding that the basic prerequisite of any society not based on slavery
is some form of redistribution of wealth makes me a communist, then that makes you the jerk. You are obviously one of those wack jobs that is going turn this country into Brazil north with 1% owning everything and the rest of us living in cardboard boxes. As it is, most dogs in the U.S. live better than most people on this planet, and they are not happy about it (the people that is, the dogs are very happy).
Post by: lifer on October 04, 2005, 05:03:33 PM
Does anyone else on this board understand what it means to place the life of a dog above that of a human being? The next stray I come across is going to pay for my unhappiness right now. I am going to stomp that miserable mutt into a bloody pulp.
Post by: Zundfolge on October 04, 2005, 05:26:51 PM
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If understanding that the basic prerequisite of any society not based on slavery
is some form of redistribution of wealth makes me a communist, then that makes you the jerk.
Redistribution of wealth in any form other then via the free market is theft ... theft controlled by the state is a form of slavery.is some form of redistribution of wealth makes me a communist, then that makes you the jerk.
The fact that you take umbrage at they way I spend my money and believe I shouldn't be "allowed" to (I guess because I'm some sort of traitor to my species?) because you know how it would be better spent makes you a thief and a slaver (or rather it would if you where in charge ... thankfully you're not).
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The next stray I come across is going to pay for my unhappiness right now. I am going to stomp that miserable mutt into a bloody pulp.
Wow ... from jerk to Communist to psychopath ... I'm beginning to think your handle is a description of your current living arrangements ... I'm surprised the state lets you have unmonitored net access.Anyway, this thread makes me glad I own guns.
Post by: Phyphor on October 04, 2005, 05:38:10 PM
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lifer wrote:
The next stray I come across is going to pay for my unhappiness right now. I am going to stomp that miserable mutt into a bloody pulp.
Yes, because clearly, it's the dogs fault that you're pretty much losing an argument AND threatening the misuse of deadly force, not to mention threatening to 'punch people in the face.' If you're not a psychopath, you most certainly aren't the brightest bulb in the string, making threats to people over the 'net has gotten people in trouble before.
The next stray I come across is going to pay for my unhappiness right now. I am going to stomp that miserable mutt into a bloody pulp.
Post by: Zundfolge on October 04, 2005, 05:40:27 PM
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not to mention threatening to 'punch people in the face.'
in all fairness, it was me who threatened to punch him in the face ... he's willing to murder people and brutalize innocent dogs, but he never said he'd punch anyone 
Post by: Phyphor on October 04, 2005, 06:06:29 PM
Post by: Justin on October 04, 2005, 07:10:45 PM
Post by: jefnvk on October 04, 2005, 09:08:25 PM
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Please show me where I said you or anyone is a worm or sub -human
The worm came from Mike Irwin. By putting people in quote marks in the following quote, I thought you were meaning to imply that they really wern't. My apologies if I read too far into it.Quote
I truly feel sorry for "people" who cannot understand the bond that forms between humans and their pets.
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Would it be poor taste for me to point out at this juncture that Lifer has been PWNED with a capital P?
Well, that all dependes on whether or not you are a 12 year old CS l337 
Post by: lifer on October 04, 2005, 10:19:55 PM
Post by: Phyphor on October 05, 2005, 05:28:38 PM
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I wouldnt really stomp a mutt to death
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and I never threatened to kill anyone
Yea, but try whipping your firearm out in front of a THR member/APS member, and then pointing it at their dog. Most people are going to take that as a prelude to attacking them and act accordingly.As for your final question, one tends to wonder.