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Title: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: mtnbkr on February 11, 2017, 08:11:27 AM
I tried to register at a smaller, topic-specific gun forum and got this message:
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Registration denied. We check new registrations against a database of known forum spammers. At this time, we are unable to contact this database to verify your registration. We are sorry for the inconvenience but please do try again later.

I'm not sure I'll bother.  This is not a high volume board, they probably get in a week what a board like TFL gets in an hour.  I doubt they have a significant problem with spammers. 

I tried registering at a trumpet forum several months ago.  My registration has to be approved by an admin.  Nothing.  Attempts to email the admin, based on the system generated email I got, have gone unanswered.

Chris
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: K Frame on February 11, 2017, 08:15:00 AM
I've noticed a significant slowdown in the sites I'm associated with, including TFL. It's becoming almost glacial.

I think Facebook groups has a lot to do with that.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: mtnbkr on February 11, 2017, 08:40:44 AM
Are Facebook groups that much "better"?  I've not been very active in the few I joined (and eventually left).  They seemed to attract more derp than the forums (at least the reloading group I was in for a while).

Chris
Title: Re:
Post by: K Frame on February 11, 2017, 09:06:41 AM
No, not at all. I think it is more a 'package deal' kind of thing.

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Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: zxcvbob on February 11, 2017, 09:21:18 AM
The local Freecycle group seems to have died without an announcement or anything.  I sent in a giveaway over a month ago and it hasn't posted (nothing else has posted either)  A note the the moderator about it never received an answer. 
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: Ben on February 11, 2017, 09:45:20 AM
Are Facebook groups that much "better"?  I've not been very active in the few I joined (and eventually left).  They seemed to attract more derp than the forums (at least the reloading group I was in for a while).

Chris

I'm sure facebook is a large part of the drop, including here. I'm not on it, but having seen how "posts" are setup on it, it seems to me it would be difficult to carry on the same types of conversations we have in topics here in any logical structure. Much in the same way viewing Twitter conversations confuses me. The only way I can abide them is via Twitchy, where a dozen or more "conversations" are combined into something similar to a single post on a forum. Maybe they make more sense if you have a Twitter account, but the randomness drives me crazy.

Also on the email thing, I occasionally run into sites that won't accept my gmail address because of their spam filter.


Tangent: An analog is email and texting. Nobody wants to email me anymore, they all want to text. Especially bad with the 30 and under crowd (and I'm sure they say the same about me in the reverse). I don't mind texting that only requires short replies (in fact I prefer it over a phone call), but I hate getting texts that require me to type in long answers. I'm selling one of my dad's rentals for him right now, and the real estate agent, who's probably in her late 40's, constantly texts me questions that require long ass answers. My response is always "check your email", where I answer her using a freaking real keyboard, which is ten times as fast for me as using the dinky phone virtual keyboard and having to correct autocorrect on every other word.


EDIT: For clarity, my tangent is equating email to forums and texts to social media.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: mtnbkr on February 11, 2017, 10:12:54 AM
Also on the email thing, I occasionally run into sites that won't accept my gmail address because of their spam filter.
I considered that, but I got the "your account is awaiting approval" message and there were no warnings about using Gmail.

Honestly, in today's world, I'm not sure why webmail accounts are treated differently than "traditional" email accounts.  WhoTF uses non-webmail-accounts these days?  I stopped using my ISP-provided email years ago because it was nothing but spam.  Plus, if/when I change ISPs, I don't want to have to tell everyone my email has changed.   :old:


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Tangent: An analog is email and texting. Nobody wants to email me anymore, they all want to text. Especially bad with the 30 and under crowd (and I'm sure they say the same about me in the reverse). I don't mind texting that only requires short replies (in fact I prefer it over a phone call), but I hate getting texts that require me to type in long answers.

This drives me up the freaking wall too.  I'm fine with texts for short messages, but if you need to send me something or need a lengthy response, just use email or call.

Chris
Title: Re:
Post by: K Frame on February 11, 2017, 10:21:05 AM
Excellent! I'm driving Chris nuts with my desire to text!

WINNING!

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Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on February 11, 2017, 10:39:16 AM
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I'm sure facebook is a large part of the drop, including here. I'm not on it, but having seen how "posts" are setup on it, it seems to me it would be difficult to carry on the same types of conversations we have in topics here in any logical structure. Much in the same way viewing Twitter conversations confuses me. The only way I can abide them is via Twitchy, where a dozen or more "conversations" are combined into something similar to a single post on a forum. Maybe they make more sense if you have a Twitter account, but the randomness drives me crazy. 

You can with the 'reply' function, but the longer conversations get unwieldy and FB doesn't seem to be able to load them right.
As far as twitter goes, I still haven't completely figured that out, but the design doesn't seem to be for in depth conversation anyway. It's more just people trading quips. Twitter makes me feel old. I see it as a possible downfall of civilization and to societies ability to communicate in an intelligent fashion.

I also get really annoyed with long texts. Texts are for quick and dirty messages that rarely require response. My step father (who is NOT in the under 30 crowd) seems to be obsessed with trying to plan out our projects with text messages/FB messenger and it drives me up the wall. (With my phone set the way it is, FB messenger works out essentially the same as texting)
Title: Re:
Post by: mtnbkr on February 11, 2017, 10:49:25 AM
Excellent! I'm driving Chris nuts with my desire to text!

WINNING!

Oh, that is independent of the texting.

Chris
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: Scout26 on February 11, 2017, 11:02:34 AM
I have talk to text on my phone.  My sister is notorious for sending texts that require long answers.   So I hit the talk-to-text button, and start rambling.

Misspellings and all...  :angel: :angel: :angel:
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: gunsmith on February 11, 2017, 10:07:15 PM
Are Facebook groups that much "better"?  I've not been very active in the few I joined (and eventually left).  They seemed to attract more derp than the forums (at least the reloading group I was in for a while).

Chris

FACECRACK seems to be designed to grind down and do away with free thinking, conservatism and especially gun keeping and bearing
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: gunsmith on February 11, 2017, 10:21:45 PM
i think web forums are definitely dying, most folks use devices like phones now - they don't lend themselves to real in depth conversation.
facebook is part of the problem, I had to get two profiles because my elderly mom would follow me around commenting on my conversations with young alcoholic trans gendered science fiction fans - she would talk about the influence of "satin" and want to talk about how mean my dad was in 1965  ;/
My AA friends can get psycho, i get into epic useless fights - but it used to be better- there used to be good deals on guns, but it got shut down, political activism regarding gun stuff is much better on forums, that's why ( imo ) the radlibs in sillycon valley do their best to fubar the social media platform.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: mtnbkr on February 11, 2017, 10:23:41 PM
FACECRACK seems to be designed to grind down and do away with free thinking, conservatism and especially gun keeping and bearing

And that has *expletive deleted*ck all to do with what I said.

Chris
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: K Frame on February 12, 2017, 10:13:56 AM
And that has *expletive deleted*ck all to do with what I said.

Chris

What? You're shocked that someone went off topic?

Cute.  :rofl:
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: bedlamite on February 12, 2017, 10:32:10 AM
And that has *expletive deleted*ck all to do with what I said.

Chris

At least his post doesn't contain duck penis.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: gunsmith on February 12, 2017, 12:21:04 PM
At least his post doesn't contain duck penis.

see!
I have no idea what that reference is, I missed a lot by not being here.
i only had phone so didn't participate.
We used to have this thing called "thread drift" in the old days.
I would ask a question about this thing called "myspace" and the thread would end up about how dumb it was to even use myspace.
Which, in its day, was a wonderful way to find out about music and date  girls with similar taste in obscure country metal bands.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: lee n. field on February 12, 2017, 01:52:47 PM
I've noticed a significant slowdown in the sites I'm associated with, including TFL. It's becoming almost glacial.

I think Facebook groups has a lot to do with that.

I don't find Faceplant to be all that useful.    An occasional nugget of information.   It's easier to throw up a picture or video, not so easy to do (or find) an extended review.

A lot of the utility went away when they killed private gun sales.   I moved 3 guns in 2015.  Price it fairly and put it on the local gun buy/sell board, and they sold almost instantly.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: mtnbkr on February 13, 2017, 06:43:17 AM
This wasn't thread drift, this was walking into a room where the adults were having a conversation and start yammering on about something entirely unrelated.

Unless we were talking about conservative politics the entire time and I was unaware.

Chris
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: K Frame on February 13, 2017, 06:49:39 AM
This wasn't thread drift, this was walking into a room where the adults were having a conversation and start yammering on about something entirely unrelated.

Unless we were talking about conservative politics the entire time and I was unaware.

Chris


You're cranky. Do you need a nuk and a new nappy?

 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


And you should know by now that it is ALWAYS about conservative politics.

Even when it isn't.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: Blakenzy on February 13, 2017, 06:58:55 AM
Internet forums are definitely dying... it's the phones I tell you, the phones!

If it can't be put on teh Fbk or wsap then it won't reach 95% of the interwbz population. As a consequence, no lingering conversations of any depth can be had, no archives are kept, everything is fleeting and "for the moment", in 140 characters or less, snapping a 10 sec image, anything more is too long...

What was I talking about? Nevrmind I have got to get to swiping on mah tinderrrr for a onenight hookup... Whatevaaar!
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: KD5NRH on February 13, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
The local Freecycle group seems to have died without an announcement or anything.  I sent in a giveaway over a month ago and it hasn't posted (nothing else has posted either)  A note the the moderator about it never received an answer. 

I am the mod for the local Freecycle group, and it's gone from 2-3 posts a day to maybe one a quarter.  No new members in over a year, though no unsubscribes in several months.

I suspect a lot of formerly useful email lists just get lost in the noise of all the other junk email.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: KD5NRH on February 13, 2017, 01:40:44 PM
What was I talking about? Nevrmind I have got to get to swiping on mah tinderrrr for a onenight hookup... Whatevaaar!

SinglesAroundMe works better for that.  You can sort them by range, and check everything on a map to find ones in the most convenient direction.  And when they say they're looking for a NSA hookup, they generally mean it.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: 230RN on February 13, 2017, 03:42:36 PM
Boy am I out of it, like, totally, man.  Had to look up NSA hookup.

I've been noticing a drop off of posts on various sites, too.  I expect the comments about other social media "cutting into" site activity are accurate.

Change is the only constant.

Terry
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: gunsmith on February 14, 2017, 07:42:11 PM
Boy am I out of it, like, totally, man.  Had to look up NSA hookup.

I've been noticing a drop off of posts on various sites, too.  I expect the comments about other social media "cutting into" site activity are accurate.

Change is the only constant.

Terry


Now I hear about these phone swipe things, I've gotten more serious about Christianity and won't be hooking up with anyone - marriage only-
the only possible exception is if Kate Upton hits me in the back of the head with a shovel and drags me to her lair.
I guess I would have to comply.

I fail to see what this thread has to do with national reciprocity.
Title: Re:
Post by: K Frame on February 15, 2017, 06:22:58 AM
Oh, that is independent of the texting.

Chris

Almost missed this...

It's all part of a very rich tapestry!
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: Tuco on February 15, 2017, 07:39:42 AM
see!
I have no idea what that reference is, I missed a lot by not being here.
i only had phone so didn't participate.
We used to have this thing called "thread drift" in the old days.
I would ask a question about this thing called "myspace" and the thread would end up about how dumb it was to even use myspace.
Which, in its day, was a wonderful way to find out about music and date  girls with similar taste in obscure country metal bands.

You like countrymetal bands?
OMG I like countrymetal bands!!
(Not a grill)
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: brimic on February 16, 2017, 12:42:54 PM
Facebook groups quickly get annoying with 25 people posting the same articles or memes within a week, then new members repost them months later. And then there's teh stupidz arguing 45vs9mm at hyper speed, as if I didn't get sick of seeing that crap 25 years ago...
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: Fly320s on February 17, 2017, 07:23:21 AM
Facebook groups quickly get annoying with 25 people posting the same articles or memes within a week, then new members repost them months later. And then there's teh stupidz arguing 45vs9mm at hyper speed, as if I didn't get sick of seeing that crap 25 years ago...

I'm seeing that issue now.  I joined a Pistol Caliber Carbine groub on Facebook and it is just the same questions over and over.   I also joined a Dillon Precision group and, although the same questions come up, it is more useful information.  The biggest problem with the Facebook discussion is that there is no search function.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: Neemi on February 17, 2017, 12:56:57 PM
I'm seeing that issue now.  I joined a Pistol Caliber Carbine groub on Facebook and it is just the same questions over and over.   I also joined a Dillon Precision group and, although the same questions come up, it is more useful information.  The biggest problem with the Facebook discussion is that there is no search function.

The biggest issue with Facebook discussions is that nobody knows where the search function is. Look just underneath the group's photo for the "search this group" text box.

Oh, and you can follow threads on there without commenting, too. Click on the top right part of the thread you want to follow and select "turn on notifications for this post".
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: Fly320s on February 17, 2017, 01:08:50 PM
The biggest issue with Facebook discussions is that nobody knows where the search function is. Look just underneath the group's photo for the "search this group" text box.

Oh, and you can follow threads on there without commenting, too. Click on the top right part of the thread you want to follow and select "turn on notifications for this post".

Well, how about that.  Thanks.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: markdido on February 19, 2017, 10:00:26 PM
I tried to register at a smaller, topic-specific gun forum and got this message:
I'm not sure I'll bother.  This is not a high volume board, they probably get in a week what a board like TFL gets in an hour.  I doubt they have a significant problem with spammers.  

I tried registering at a trumpet forum several months ago.  My registration has to be approved by an admin.  Nothing.  Attempts to email the admin, based on the system generated email I got, have gone unanswered.

Chris

Have you heard of The High Road.

www.thehighroad.org

The mods don't let the conversations get into the weeds. Lots of good info too,
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: Regolith on February 19, 2017, 10:05:37 PM
Have you heard of The High Road.

www.thehighroad.org

The mods don't let the conversations get into the weeds. Lots of good info too,

This is a bit like wondering into a Domino's and asking if anybody there's heard of pizza.  :lol:

APS was founded as an off-topic board for THR. The vast majority of APS regulars came here from there.

Also, most of us haven't gone there since the hostile takeover.  =|
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: K Frame on February 20, 2017, 06:37:37 AM
And THR was an off-shoot of TFL when TFL closed down for several years about 12-14 years ago or so.

TFL is back, and has been for a number of years now.
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: mtnbkr on February 20, 2017, 07:36:15 AM
I lurked at TFL through the late 90s and joined in mid 2000.  I joined THR right when it started (as part of the exodus from TFL), then came over here when Oleg moved the THR subforum, Roundtable, to a dedicated forum called ArmedPoliteSociety.  So yeah, I've heard of it. :)

Chris
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: K Frame on February 20, 2017, 07:44:22 AM
"then came over hear"

How's that APS Soundstar v0.02 working for you?

Still buggy?

I keep telling you, it's the chair to keyboard interface that's the problem.

:rofl:
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: mtnbkr on February 20, 2017, 08:10:37 AM
Because you've never typed the wrong word.  Ever.  :P

Chris
Title: Re: No wonder web forums are dying
Post by: K Frame on February 20, 2017, 08:49:48 AM
Because you've never typed the wrong word.  Ever.  :P

Chris

And don't you forget nit!