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Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« on: January 22, 2007, 05:13:30 AM »
So the kid is going to college next year. She is super bright, loves to read (fantasy mostly), loves chemistry, very good at math, 1550's in the SAT.  Not sure what she wants to study. Money is there ,she can go pretty much anywhere., but is not interested in a big poison ivy school. "HAAAAVAAAD"
 I have a horror of her going to some ultra-leftist PC hellhole.
   So tell me about these places, they were mentioned by her councilor.

  Connecticut College- New London, CT.
  Williams College,  Mass.
  Reed College, Portland, Or.
  Bowdoin, Maine.
  Oberlin, Ohio.
  Grinnell, Iowa.
   Kenyon, Ohio.
   
  I told her she could take some time off and beat around for a while, go to  europe, or do something else. I am sort of worried she is going to come back from a liberal arts college with some BS degree like our new county commissioner got from berkley- "interdisaplenary studies"
, whatevr that is.

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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2007, 05:25:13 AM »
Grinell and Kenyon both have extremely good reputations, but Kenyon is, or used to be, QUITE a hot bed of collegiate sociaism.

Dickinson, in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, (my alma mater) offers an excellent education and the politics of the staff, and the area, are still quite moderate.
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2007, 06:18:38 AM »
One of my friends from high school, who is one of the most liberal people I know, went to Oberlin.  She said most of the people at Oberlin were MORE liberal than she was.  The story is anecdotal, but that's been my experience.

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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2007, 06:52:11 AM »
tokugawa:

Sounds like a lot of smaller liberal arts schools.  I would suggest googling for alumni forums on the various schools.  Join up, read posts, & post questions.

Most itty bitty liberal arts schools I checked out way back when were quite lefty.

As to your daughter not knowing what she wants to do, well, she can double-major.  Choose something that would make her employable (math, hard science, engineering, health care, etc are good for finding empoyment) for #1 major & if she finds that something else is her passion, that becomes #2 major.

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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2007, 07:33:11 AM »
Small colleges like that are inevitably the refuge of leftist failures, the more abysmal the more leftist.

Check out some "official" ratings like the US World Report and send her to the snootiest school you can afford. The higher the standards and renown, the better. If she wants a career, that is very important. If she wants a job, then it almost does not matter where she goes. Either way, arrange for periodic decontamination cycles to remove the radioactive ooze from contact with profs in humanities & social-sciences. Obviously, encourage her to pick up a serious practical major. Consider showing up on campus in a cotton shirt and NRA cap, to scare potential "boyfriends" and other bottom-feeding scum.

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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2007, 08:56:36 AM »
Small liberal arts schools are invariably liberal.  I have no direct knowledge about any of the schools you listed, but I would be leery of all of them. 

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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2007, 09:34:17 AM »
In Utah she can pack a gun on campus, with all the campus crime in libby
areas I would consider a friendly carry gun climate to be preferable myself.
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2007, 12:30:54 PM »
I have a female relative that went to Bowdoin.  She's family and I like her, but she definitely picked up a lot of way-left thinking somewhere and I suspect it was partly due to her college education/environment.
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2007, 02:47:27 PM »
OMG, those are all serious socialist redoubts

90% of the degree is in teh degree
the name is pretty worthless (even if it's Harvard) and maybe then only for the first job.

I mean, what do you do with a liberal arts degree?
Surely don't need to spend 40 grand a year to get a social worker job or McDonalds.

Seriously, those are major way left schools.
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2007, 03:47:25 PM »
Quote from: BozemanMT

the name is pretty worthless (even if it's Harvard) and maybe then only for the first job.

Nope. If you want a career instead of just a job, a renowned school opens many doors that would otherwise be almost certainly closed. The environment is significantly better for learning, and more competitive with higher expectations and standards. Finally, you get to meet and befriend people that later end up at important places, thereby building a very useful social and professional network. Compared to what you can make as a result of good education, any current tuition is a pittance, even if it looks like a fortune when taken out of context. 


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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2007, 04:42:03 PM »
I live in Iowa and everyone that I knew that went to Grinnell college liked it, but they are left thinkers. Smiley

I also got to deer hunt a outdoor biological class room last year owned and ran by Grinnell College, so the admin can't be too left to allow that.

I went to University of Northern Iowa for Undergrad and Grad School. I have taken classes at Iowa State and will probably be attending University of Iowa in 3.5 years to finish a new education path I started a few years ago.

I really like the state schools in Iowa and would recommend them to anyone. Each of them are internationally known for particular majors. UNI is teaching, ISU is engineering and U of Iowa is medicine.

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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2007, 04:59:19 PM »
Grove City College.  Went nose to nose with the IRS over government control of the school.  Libertarian to the 9's.  Most likely the finest liberal arts education available.  The school refuses to take federal money.

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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2007, 03:05:49 AM »
My daughter is also quite bright and will be starting her college search in a year or two.  When we start looking, the 'political attributes' of the school will be last on our list.  Far more important to us is the academic quality, the reputation of the school and if it is a good fit for her.

When I did my undergrad and grad at the University of Washington in chemistry, the political affiliation of the reagents and beakers did not matter much.  Nor do I recall much political discussion amongst my classmates as we were grinding our way through Organic Chemistry 230 or Instrumental Analysis 350. 
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2007, 03:23:27 AM »
Who's paying the college tuition - daughter or daddy?

If the former, she can - and probably will - go anywhere she wants to.

If the latter, I strongly suggest you insist she major in something that will impart a marketable skill - this takes in a lot of ground, covering anything from accounting to zymurgy. If you pay for her to get a degree in something like "Cultural Anthropological Artifacts" (i.e., basketweaving) you may as well flush tens of thousands of dollars down the toilet.
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2007, 04:25:46 AM »
The only one I have any knowledge of is Reed College. I can say with a degree of certainty that this:

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I have a horror of her going to some ultra-leftist PC hellhole.

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Reed College, Portland, Or.

are like oil and water. Reed College is about as leftist as they come.
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2007, 05:57:15 AM »
Ahhh, the stereotyping us gunnies love to do!  (rant off)

To deal with the question directly:  tell her to add Carleton College in Northfield, MN to that list.  I'm a graduate of the Class of '67, and I feel the education I received there served me well.  And, for a second college, she can also consider Wellesley College in Wellesley, MA.  My oldest daughter graduated from there, despite my initial misgivings about her selection--and she did not suffer in the least from inappropriate 'liberal' taint.   (She graduated Summa Cum Laude and went on to become a DVM--in short, she is a talented practical scientist with her core social values intact.)

Here's my take on the "socio-political liberalism" in the context of a liberal arts education:  You have to differentiate the implementation of the mission by the college from the general population behavior.  In short, you can find leftist loonies and right wing nuts at any college, and the various power struggles ebb and flow.  But, if the college is committed to a mission of student education and the development of critical analysis, she should do just fine if she is committed to that kind of learning.

Here's a tip:  the schools that are most selective from their application base are probably the best ones to consider--e.g., a bigger applicant pool makes it easier to select a good mix of students that fulfill the school objectives.  And, a second tip:  look at the class sizes, especially for the Freshman / core curriculum classes.  My freshman Rhetoric class had 16 students in it; Jennifer's similar class had under twenty. 

The 'political' values one may gain at any given time of study--e.g., the Carleton of the mid-Sixties I knew is not the Carleton of the Class of 2010--will vary, but the demanding study (no matter what major) should serve her well.  And, truth be known, the networking contacts she may develop out of her college years will be better from the more-highly selective colleges. 

Having said all that--I have no trouble freely admitting that I share some of the observations in this topic about the political inclinations of certain campuses--Reed, for example. 

But I hope you are serious about the "cost-is-MOT-an-issue" thing--Carleton or Wellesley, when you add in some travel and personal expenses, will push towards $50K/year right now.  But, both schools have support programs--and if she should end up as a geology major at Carleton, maybe I can help out.



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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2007, 06:21:51 AM »
Stickjockey- A younger friend of mine went to Reed a few years back. I made a giant poster of him all geared up with EBR, handgun etc. It was lovely in his room.!
 
 I am encouraging her to keep up with chemistry, she loves it. She also wants to write.  So hopefully she will come away with some employable skill. 
 
 One other place I forgot- Anybody have any info on Whitman, in Walla Walla Wa?
 
 And by the way, thank you all for the replies.

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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2007, 11:34:20 AM »
Whitman is an exceedingly good school, and I believe consistently ranks very high in the college ratings.  It is in the picturesque town of Walla Walla, which is becoming well-known as a retirement destination and winery area.  It is the healthcare, retail and cultural nexus of the surrounding area.  We tend to gloss over the fact that the maximum security prison for the state is also there, although technically, it is a few feet outside the city limits.

I have known many Whitman alumni, and they all inevitably speak highly of the school.   The college is right downtown, and almost all the students live on campus or within a few blocks. They are accredited by the American Chemical Society, if your daughter does want to study chemistry.
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2007, 12:27:50 PM »
Maybe check out Cottey College in Nevada, MO.  2yr private women's college great in the sciences and math.http://www.cottey.edu/home/home/index.html

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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2007, 12:41:12 PM »
ASU looked like a nice place on those "Girls Gone Wild" commercials.

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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2007, 04:19:22 AM »
The real question is, are there any strip clubs nearby so that she can supplement her allowance?
 


There are none in Walla Walla.
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2007, 09:42:13 AM »
  Connecticut College- New London, CT.
  Williams College,  Mass.
  Reed College, Portland, Or.
  Bowdoin, Maine.
  Oberlin, Ohio.
  Grinnell, Iowa.
   Kenyon, Ohio.
 

If she's into Chemistry, she should consider a school that offers a degree certified by the American Chemical Society.  Certified degrees from ACS tell either a grad school or a company that she's taken a good set of classes and had excellent exposure to laboratory skills. She can look up the schools at

http://www.chemistry.org/portal/a/c/s/1/acsdisplay.html?DOC=education\cpt\programs.html

She should check out the webpages of the schools.  The advantage of a small college is that the undergrads actually get to use all the cool equipment in their courses, not just watch the TAs do it for them.  Look for youngish faculty who are research active.  Look for schools that are proud of their opportunities for undergrad research.

Visit as many as you can.  She's looking for "fit".  If she's a jeans and sweatshirt type, she'll hate a "preppie" campus (and vice versa).  Webpages won't show the "real" school, thanks to the marketing departments.  Sometimes I see our webpage and think "wow, I wonder what college they took those pictures at"?

I used to be in a "consortium" with faculty from Grinnell.  Seemed like a really good place, very committed to training successful undergraduates, but man, is it out in the boonies. 

As for politics, a bit of careful selection of courses and extracurriculars usually makes life livable for a conservative/libertarian on a college campus.  If you actually like the arguing, careful course selection can make for quite an entertaining 4 years. 
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Re: Daughter going to college, rank these schools
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2007, 06:30:03 PM »
thank you all for the replies!