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Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« on: November 05, 2020, 11:54:22 PM »
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2020, 12:04:17 AM »
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2020, 10:33:07 AM »
I don't know if this is good news or bad news.

Whoever replaces him is unlikely to be better and could easily be worse for Russia and the rest of the world.
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2020, 10:41:37 AM »
CNN: Putin stepping down due to being afraid of dealing with Biden. World leaders call for the Nobel Peace Prize for Biden.
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2020, 11:04:39 AM »
CNN: Putin stepping down due to being afraid of dealing with Biden. World leaders call for the Nobel Peace Prize for Biden.

Finally some real news!
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2020, 03:39:35 PM »
I don't know if this is good news or bad news.

Whoever replaces him is unlikely to be better and could easily be worse for Russia and the rest of the world.

Yeah.  Giving those devil dice a roll and you never really are sure what might pop up.

Oh the other hand, maybe Ukraine can take back the purloined Crimea in the chaos.

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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2020, 04:43:26 PM »
The Kremlin has already denied Putin is ill, and he will not be stepping down next year.  So, he's probably at death's door.   [tinfoil]    :angel:
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2020, 05:32:19 PM »
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2020, 07:36:58 PM »
Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.


He's a bastard,  but he's their bastard.  I'm fine with any leader pushing nationalism,  it's healthy compared to the *expletive deleted*it we get.

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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2020, 05:45:50 PM »
I'm not a Russianophile or socialist / communist by any means, but my long-term observation is that we have more  cultural  commonality  with the Rooskies than any other population in that steradian of the world than any other.

Trouble is, if the article is true, there may be an overlap in time with two doddering old crazies whose fingers are too near those proverbial red buttons.

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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2020, 06:15:43 PM »
IIRC Hitler is suspected of having  Parkinson's. Just something I remember.
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2020, 11:50:23 PM »
IIRC Hitler is suspected of having  Parkinson's. Just something I remember.

How could they tell, when was he not high to observe?
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2020, 12:58:46 PM »
I think maybe they tried to portray Hitler's Parkinson's in the movie "Downfall."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PmzdINGZk (3:59)

See 0:40 ff as he removes his glasses.

Hitler was famously played by Bruno Ganz.

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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2020, 03:09:30 PM »
I think maybe they tried to portray Hitler's Parkinson's in the movie "Downfall."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PmzdINGZk (3:59)

See 0:40 ff as he removes his glasses.

Hitler was famously played by Bruno Ganz.

Hitler was injured when a bomb went off in his secret bunker.   I believe that is is what caused his  palsy.  But,  I don't know enough about Parkinson's to know whether or not such traumatic physical injury can cause Parkinson's.  I alway thought -- rightly or wrongly -- that Parkinson's was a disease afflicting the brain.

If anyone here knows I am certainly open to correction .....
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2020, 11:10:49 PM »
Everyone dies of something.

For the record, Parkinson’s isn’t fatal, or at least not like cancer, or a stroke can be.  I’ve had the diagnosis for 5 years now.  It’s a PITA at times, but not going to kill me anytime soon (like I’ll live another 40+ years if I’m otherwise healthy) and probably not even cause me to retire on disability for another 10-20 years (I’m 43 now).  So far the only measurable impact on my ability to do things is that I have to limit myself to falling no more than 3 trees in a given day, as otherwise I risk having an anxiety attack.  Otherwise I can, so far, work around the other issues.  

Most PWP die with it, not from it.  Those who might be said to die from it actually die from things like aspiration pneumonia due to swallowing problems, or from head injuries from a fall caused by their PD symptoms.  

If Putin has PD I feel for him in that regard.  Although it’s not a huge deal for me right now I know eventually it will become a much bigger deal.  My uncle by marriage had PD, and at his funeral my cousin (his son) said he considered PD far worse (for the person at least) than Alzheimer’s because with PD you know everything that’s happening during the whole slide down.  With Alzheimer’s at least, after a certain point, the person with the disease becomes oblivious to the situation.  Now, for the family and caregivers Alzheimer’s is probably much worse.  

My uncle officially died of a heart attack.  One could argue that his body was simply worn out by 15-20 years of PD.  But he had also been pretty obese (the man was a phenomenal cook - never trust a skinny chef) and he did lose a lot of weight in part so my aunt could help care for him.  That weight loss and improved fitness might well have added more months/years than PD stole.
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2020, 11:24:48 PM »
Hitler was injured when a bomb went off in his secret bunker.   I believe that is is what caused his  palsy.  But,  I don't know enough about Parkinson's to know whether or not such traumatic physical injury can cause Parkinson's.  I alway thought -- rightly or wrongly -- that Parkinson's was a disease afflicting the brain.

If anyone here knows I am certainly open to correction .....

There is a lot of speculation that concussions increase one’s risk of developing PD.  The bomb blast could possibly have done that, but tertiary syphilis and/or acute TBI from the blast is probably more likely to have caused the physical issues than PD.  

PD is caused by the death of dopaminergic neurons in the substantia nigra.  Why those neurons die is a subject of much research but no matter what any website might say they still don’t really know why it happens.  Speculation right now is centered on mid-folded proteins called alpha syn-nuclean but I am not convinced those a cause rather than a symptom or effect the disease.  Anyway it’s typically a slow process and usually by the time a person is displaying enough symptoms to be diagnosed they’ve lost 50-60% of those dopaminergic neurons.  I suspect that whatever the cause of my PD that the process of those neurons dying started at least 3, perhaps as many as 20 years before I was diagnosed.  I base that off a feeling I never could really describe of just not feeling right for a long time (3-5 years before diagnosis, can’t really remember when it started), and that feeling totally going away when I started taking the meds.  Plus my very poor sense of smell that dates back to my late teens at least.

So, the timeline from bomb blast to PD like symptoms in Hitler seems really tight.  Not totally impossible, but I’d say it’s unlikely.  If he had PD the bomb is unlikely to be the cause.
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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2020, 12:43:42 AM »
There is a lot of speculation that concussions increase one’s risk of developing PD.  The bomb blast could possibly have done that, but tertiary syphilis and/or acute TBI from the blast is probably more likely to have caused the physical issues than PD.  

PD is caused by the death of dopaminergic neurons in the substantia nigra.  Why those neurons die is a subject of much research but no matter what any website might say they still don’t really know why it happens.  Speculation right now is centered on mid-folded proteins called alpha syn-nuclean but I am not convinced those a cause rather than a symptom or effect the disease.  Anyway it’s typically a slow process and usually by the time a person is displaying enough symptoms to be diagnosed they’ve lost 50-60% of those dopaminergic neurons.  I suspect that whatever the cause of my PD that the process of those neurons dying started at least 3, perhaps as many as 20 years before I was diagnosed.  I base that off a feeling I never could really describe of just not feeling right for a long time (3-5 years before diagnosis, can’t really remember when it started), and that feeling totally going away when I started taking the meds.  Plus my very poor sense of smell that dates back to my late teens at least.

So, the timeline from bomb blast to PD like symptoms in Hitler seems really tight.  Not totally impossible, but I’d say it’s unlikely.  If he had PD the bomb is unlikely to be the cause.

That wasn't Adolf's only blast exposure: first world war message runner with known gas exposure.

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Re: Vladimir Putin has Parkinson's?
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2020, 12:50:59 AM »
True, TBI from WWI could definitely have played a role.  The gas exposure, honestly to me though would be a much bigger potential cause of PD.  Plenty of Vietnam vets with Agent Orange exposure developed PD.
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