This is how politics should be

[john828]

http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2009/Jan-30-Fri-2009/news/26615257.html

Town withdraws effort to ban guns
By GINA B. GOOD


The Bob Ruud Community Center was almost filled to capacity at Tuesday night's meeting where two hotly debated agenda items were the focus of community concern.

There was definitely a hot time in the old town Tuesday night, due in part to an item placed on the town board meeting agenda by Pahrump Town Manager Bill Kohbarger that would have barred firearms on town-owned property, in town-owned buildings and at town-sponsored events.

Fired up residents braved the frigid winds blowing down from snow-capped Mt. Charleston as they streamed into the Bob Ruud Community Center 30 minutes early to ensure a seat for the meeting.

By the time the meeting was called to order at 7 p.m., dozens of residents were standing in the back of the hall.

The board's first order of business after the pledge of allegiance was to permanently remove the firearms ban from the agenda, on advice from the town's attorney, Rick Campbell.

He said, "My research shows the town does not have the legal right to enact these types of ordinances." That ended the matter for the board but didn't stop the 200 or so people in attendance from wanting to voice their opinions. Residents waiting to address the board lined up behind the speaker's podium and around the back of the auditorium.

Board Chairman Nicole Shupp tried to cut off the speaking, but attendees protested, wanting the board, and specifically Kohbarger, to know where they stood on the issue.

A man stating he was from District 5 was first to speak. His name was lost in the noise of the crowd as they reacted to the fact they would not be able to speak on the matter. "The colors have been shown," he said. "We are not okay with this. We can see what's coming in this country. The government is getting out of control. When it comes to gun rights and the Second Amendment, we can't give any more ground. We have zero tolerance on this issue."

The speaker paused as the hall broke out in thunderous applause.

"I want get the people whose idea this is fired," he continued. "Gun restriction only hurts the honest citizens. Don't our elected officials recognize this fact?

Referring to the recent murder of a convenience store employee, he added, "When you walk into a convenience store in Pahrump, do you know who's walking in behind you?"

As the woman next in line tried to ask the board a question, Shupp told the gathering, "We are moving on."

The crowd reacted, with several people yelling out, "Let her ask a question."

Shupp used her gavel to quiet the room, again saying the board would move on to the next agenda item, but a male voice from the back of the auditorium called out, "All in favor of hearing the question say 'Aye'."

"Ayes" rang out in the community center.

Shupp was not swayed in her determination to move to the next item. She told those in attendance that the gun ban was permanently removed from the agenda but they were invited to come back and comment at the next regularly scheduled meeting. She said, "We'll be here until midnight if everyone in the room takes a turn at the podium."

People shouted out they wanted to know why a gun ban was on the agenda in the first place, but no answer was forthcoming.

"You are not going to be re-elected madam," called out someone from the back of the hall.

Harley Kulkin addressed Shupp and the board, saying, "If you don't have time to listen to the people who elected you, you shouldn't run for public office."

He said he'd canvassed more than a dozen people after the item was proposed to him and came to the conclusion that guns carried in the open intimidated people.

Before the town attorney advised Kohbarger the town could not enact the ordinance, he'd planned to change the agenda item so those with concealed carry permits would not be prohibited from carrying their firearms, "because those people have training."

Loved the part where the resident said, "You are not going to be re-elected madam."  And the part where it was stated, "If you don't have time to listen to the people who elected you, you shouldn't run for public office."

Damn, I love these stories.  The people come out, voice their minds and hearts, and the politicians reluctantly obey.  The officials got it ass backwards, We, the people, vote.  We, the people, decide what policies work best.  I just hope the We, the people, wake up and do our civic duties instead of waiting for others to do something for us.

[Standing Wolf]

Before the town attorney advised Kohbarger the town could not enact the ordinance, he'd planned to change the agenda item so those with concealed carry permits would not be prohibited from carrying their firearms, "because those people have training."

Where's it say anything about "training" in the Second Amendment?

Kick them all out.

[Manedwolf]

"Training" as a requirement is economic inequality, because the social classes that the Democrats are obsessed with often can't afford the money or the time to do it. It's racist. It's saying that only the wealthy classes have the right to self defense.

It's fun to point that out to them and make their heads explode.

[AZRedhawk44]

"Training" as a requirement is economic inequality, because the social classes that the Democrats are obsessed with often can't afford the money or the time to do it. It's racist. It's saying that only the wealthy classes have the right to self defense.

It's fun to point that out to them and make their heads explode.

There is that whole "regulated" phrase in there, though.

Perhaps the town could vote on whether they wanted the city police or county sherriff to come in and provide firearms training at common expense, much like the 18th century militia were armed and regulated via town meetings and levies to collect necessary funds for small arms, powder, shot and even cannon.

[Perd Hapley]

Where's my court-appointed weaponry?   

[AJ Dual]

There is that whole "regulated" phrase in there, though.

Perhaps the town could vote on whether they wanted the city police or county sherriff to come in and provide firearms training at common expense, much like the 18th century militia were armed and regulated via town meetings and levies to collect necessary funds for small arms, powder, shot and even cannon.

In the scholarship on the Constitution, the 18th century meaning of "regulated" is well understood to mean "equipped".

A "well regulated militia" was one that showed up with weapons and all needed equipment, powder, shot, sabers etc., not one that shows up with pitchforks, clubs, and torches, and mills about hoping someone would give them all guns. As in how a "well regulated" watch functions properly and keeps time. It did not mean "well regulated" the way we mainly percieve the word today, as in managed, oversight, or controlled...

[Standing Wolf]

In the scholarship on the Constitution, the 18th century meaning of "regulated" is well understood to mean "equipped".

Sorry, but the meaning is much closer to "trained."

[AZRedhawk44]

Sorry, but the meaning is much closer to "trained."

+1.  Which is what I was driving at.  2A wants us, the civic body, to be well regulated.  It endorses it.  Perhaps we need the townships to begin actively endorsing it by action and funding, if they have to vote on SOME way to spend our money. :rolleyes:

[Don't care]

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