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Title: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: just Warren on September 17, 2013, 10:25:03 PM
Talking to a biking enthusiast friend today and he told me of an alternative to buying improved tires or puncture-resistance tires or those grande-expensive kevlar sleeves.

What he did was take some Venetian blind slats, left them in the sun so they got soft and really bendy and then placed them into his tires making a cheap anti-puncture armor. He says he hasn't had a puncture since '98. You just have to use the right size slats for your tire size.

So there you go.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Boomhauer on September 17, 2013, 10:33:49 PM
Cant possibly work. Its not an uber expensive solution purchased from the local bike snob shop. Now if it was $200 and sold to you buy a hipster in spandex, it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread.   :rofl:


Seriously though cool tip.


Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 17, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
Cant possibly work. Its not an uber expensive solution purchased from the local bike snob shop. Now if it was $200 and sold to you buy a hipster in spandex, it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread.   :rofl:


Seriously though cool tip.




Not all local bike shops are snobbish.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: MillCreek on September 17, 2013, 10:47:34 PM
Fail.  Must use carbon fiber as it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: just Warren on September 17, 2013, 10:54:30 PM
Fail.  Must use carbon fiber as it is laterally stiff and vertically compliant.

Fail. You must use the imported stuff: Carbon fibre.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: MillCreek on September 17, 2013, 11:43:11 PM
That would be crabon fibre.  And AYHCSMB, as Bike Snob NYC would say.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 18, 2013, 08:04:53 AM
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1096488_-1_400234__400234

$14.99

Hipsters don't wear spandex, btw.  They ride fixed gear bikes in skinny jeans or cut off plaid pants.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 18, 2013, 08:26:35 AM
But but how can I mock people different from me if my biases are incorrect?

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 18, 2013, 08:35:16 AM
But but how can I mock people different from me if my biases are incorrect?

Chris

I see what you did there. :)
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 18, 2013, 10:12:57 AM
But but how can I mock people different from me if my biases are incorrect?

Chris

 :laugh:


Oh and the venitian blinds.....most are made of cheap metal or plastic....that gets the tiniest kink or sharp spot and it'll wear a spot in your tube quickly.
Sometimes you just can't beat purpose made products. 
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on September 18, 2013, 10:27:57 AM
It's also highly likely that your buddy also maintains proper tire pressure
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 18, 2013, 01:07:37 PM
Just fill em with foam and be done with it.  :lol:

Aren't they making non-pneumatic tires now that almost perfectly mimic pneumatics?

Brad
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 18, 2013, 01:18:34 PM
Just fill em with foam and be done with it.  :lol:

Aren't they making non-pneumatic tires now that almost perfectly mimic pneumatics?

Brad


My experience with the airless has been they suck.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 18, 2013, 01:20:59 PM
Tubeless tires work pretty well.  Lots of folks use them on mountain bikes around here.  They're mostly self sealing too, though a bad puncture will require a patch and/or tube to get home.

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: K Frame on September 18, 2013, 01:26:59 PM
Quadruple fail.

Carbotanium.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: makattak on September 18, 2013, 02:47:15 PM
Hipsters don't wear spandex, btw.  They ride fixed gear bikes in skinny jeans or cut off plaid pants.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A24aAwxCMAAQX80.jpg)

... or mom jeans on a girls bike.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 18, 2013, 02:50:22 PM
FWIW, that's not a girls bike. 

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: makattak on September 18, 2013, 02:57:29 PM
FWIW, that's not a girls bike. 

Chris

Ok, I'm colorblind, so maybe I'm wrong... but isn't it a nice girly purple? (If a "unisex" bike is in a girls color...)
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: gunsmith on September 18, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
he still looks like an imbecile - absolutely the seat is to low or the bike is to small for him.
plus he looks pathetic 

https://www.google.com/search?q=proper+bike+fit&client=ubuntu&hs=WXO&channel=cs&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=b_g5UvbEHeL4yQGEkoDIAg&ved=0CEwQsAQ&biw=1232&bih=626&dpr=1
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 18, 2013, 03:00:43 PM
Ok, I'm colorblind, so maybe I'm wrong... but isn't it a nice girly purple? (If a "unisex" bike is in a girls color...)
I don't pay attention to bike colors.  I was going by design. 

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: lee n. field on September 18, 2013, 06:51:07 PM
I don't pay attention to bike colors.  I was going by design. 

Chris

Looks like what I've heard called a "comfort bike".  Something that would be sold to a occasional and very unserious rider.

Of course, nobody makes what I want.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 18, 2013, 07:09:39 PM
Of course, nobody makes what I want.

What's that?
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: bedlamite on September 18, 2013, 07:24:37 PM
What's that?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1EHZPjLNHk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1EHZPjLNHk)
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: gunsmith on September 18, 2013, 07:27:01 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_army_bicycle

not this?
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: lee n. field on September 18, 2013, 08:49:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_army_bicycle

not this?

Gettin' there. 

A decent commuter bike that fits me, with a Brooks wide leather saddle.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 18, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Gettin' there.  

A decent commuter bike that fits me, with a Brooks wide leather saddle.

You can buy a Brooks saddle and put it on any bike.  Expensive, but they're available.  My Surly LHT has a Brooks.  My fixed gear bike had one as well.  I kept the saddle when I sold the bike (had a throwaway on it when it sold). There are a few other brands that are nearly identical (Velo Orange for example).

Usually, when someone says they can't find a bike that fits them or that they like, it really means they don't want to pay much for a bike.  There are so many types and brands (or makers), bare frames, complete bikes, etc, anyone can find a bike.  The only question is price.

Get a Surly LHT, throw a set of these bars (http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/handlebars/vo-left-bank-handlebar-config.html) and this Brooks-like saddle (http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/saddles/vo-saddle-model-8.html) and you'll be close.  Add a basket and you're set.

Or, go full retard with a Rivendell Atlantis (http://www.rivbike.com/Rivendell-Atlantis-p/f-atlantis.htm).  However, a Surly LHT with the right upgrades is most of what an Atlantis is for a fraction of the price.

There's always a full tilt Rivendell Sam Hillbourne if you want to save a few bucks over the Atlantis:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa248.e.akamai.net%2Forigin-cdn.volusion.com%2Fctxtv.wmppt%2Fv%2Fvspfiles%2Fphotos%2Ff-hillborne-blue-4.jpg%3F1360600253&hash=49661e350a06ca597b087a2bcfde1a4351dac6d1)

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 18, 2013, 09:25:30 PM
Gettin' there. 

A decent commuter bike that fits me, with a Brooks wide leather saddle.

I'm doing the same, but more of a "tripping/commuting/rail trail bike" and a saddle that fits me. My current bike is an old Trek 820 w/ 21" frame, I'd probably do better with a 18-19" frame. 

I tried a wide saddle for 150 miles, didn't work for me. I have ~30 miles on a narrower saddle, as long as I wear padded shorts it seems to be working out for me, ask me again in 100 miles.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 18, 2013, 09:32:59 PM
I tried a wide saddle for 150 miles, didn't work for me. I have ~30 miles on a narrower saddle, as long as I wear padded shorts it seems to be working out for me, ask me again in 100 miles.

Wide saddles rub and are only suitable for short distance riding.  Toughen your taint and you won't need a cushy seat.  I've done 117 miles in a day on a Brooks.  I couldn't do it now, but at that time, I was riding 80-100 miles a week and frequently doing 50+ miles at a time.  My butt wasn't the slightest bit sore at the end of that day.

After 5,000 miles, I did have to lace my Brooks to keep it from sagging too much and to keep the sides from flaring.  It rides much better now.

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 18, 2013, 09:35:08 PM

There's always a full tilt Rivendell Sam Hillbourne if you want to save a few bucks over the Atlantis:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa248.e.akamai.net%2Forigin-cdn.volusion.com%2Fctxtv.wmppt%2Fv%2Fvspfiles%2Fphotos%2Ff-hillborne-blue-4.jpg%3F1360600253&hash=49661e350a06ca597b087a2bcfde1a4351dac6d1)

Chris

Where is the drool emoticon when you need one. :)
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 18, 2013, 09:36:56 PM
Toughen your taint and you won't need a cushy seat.  Chris

Working on it. The male gender specific saddle has been a lot better than the wide granny saddle I did have.

Plus I am liking padded biking shorts, seems take care of the friction problem.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 18, 2013, 09:44:37 PM
Yeah, it just takes miles.  Check out some chamois cream, it may help with the friction issue. I've never felt a need for it, but some of the folks I ride with swear by it.

Some good reviews here: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/chamois-creams-comparative-review.html

As for the bike above, yeah, it's a beaut.  Rivendell caters to a very specific cycling philosophy not addressed by the big companies.  I hate to say it, while pretty, their bikes aren't all that special.  Yes, they can be built into something special for those not attracted to all things racing, but there are less expensive options out there.  Velo Orange is a relative newcomer that offers some nice frames for a fraction of a Rivendell.  A person can build a Surly or Soma in a Rivendell-esque fashion.  IIRC, Grant Peterson (HMFIC at Rivendell) even said the Surly LHT was a good substitute for the Atlantis for those on a budget.  Still, the lugs and artistry of his bikes is special.  I've seen a few in this area and they're just as nice in person.  They look even better with few thousand hard miles on them. 

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 18, 2013, 09:48:22 PM
Yeah, it just takes miles.  Check out some chamois cream, it may help with the friction issue. I've never felt a need for it, but some of the folks I ride with swear by it.

Some good reviews here: http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2012/06/chamois-creams-comparative-review.html

As for the bike above, yeah, it's a beaut.  Rivendell caters to a very specific cycling philosophy not addressed by the big companies.  I hate to say it, while pretty, their bikes aren't all that special.  Yes, they can be built into something special for those not attracted to all things racing, but there are less expensive options out there.  Velo Orange is a relative newcomer that offers some nice frames for a fraction of a Rivendell.  A person can build a Surly or Soma in a Rivendell-esque fashion.  IIRC, Grant Peterson (HMFIC at Rivendell) even said the Surly LHT was a good substitute for the Atlantis for those on a budget.  Still, the lugs and artistry of his bikes is special.  I've seen a few in this area and they're just as nice in person.  They look even better with few thousand hard miles on them.  

Chris

There was a Surly LHT on MN/SP craigslist a few weeks ago that looked like the bike you posted above and for around $900 IRC, if I wouldn't of been in the dog house with Mrs Charby, I would have been all over it. Some guy built it to resemble a late 1950's early 1960's Schwinn cruiser, it was sweet!
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 18, 2013, 09:54:06 PM
What is funny is some of the guys and gals I ride with after our last outing were all talking about how we each needed to build a bike like PeeWee Herman's.

(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F1.bp.blogspot.com%2F-ul4jwmrcyig%2FUCmdIk2k68I%2FAAAAAAAAEI8%2FNbJEwWspmIs%2Fs1600%2Fpee%2Bwee%2Bherman%2Bbike.jpg&hash=26260feace08f1c3e2e9cf39ffd59fd5ae4032a1)
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 18, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
I've been tempted to build something like that as well, I just don't have room for it.

I had a 60s vintage Raleigh Sports 3spd for a while, but it was a bit too small for me and the space issue was still there.  It was similar to this (http://www.use.com/images/s_2/Vintage_1968_Raleigh_Sports_3_Speed_Cruiser_3f2b27af998ff657b049_1.jpg), but not as shiny.

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: lee n. field on September 18, 2013, 10:16:36 PM
I've been tempted to build something like that as well, I just don't have room for it.

I had a 60s vintage Raleigh Sports 3spd for a while, but it was a bit too small for me and the space issue was still there.  It was similar to this (http://www.use.com/images/s_2/Vintage_1968_Raleigh_Sports_3_Speed_Cruiser_3f2b27af998ff657b049_1.jpg), but not as shiny.

Chris

<sigh>.

I passed up one of those about 15 years ago, because I couldn't see spending $75 for a garage sale bike.  Regretted it ever since.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: lee n. field on September 19, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
You can buy a Brooks saddle and put it on any bike.  Expensive, but they're available.  My Surly LHT has a Brooks.  My fixed gear bike had one as well.  I kept the saddle when I sold the bike (had a throwaway on it when it sold). There are a few other brands that are nearly identical (Velo Orange for example).

Usually, when someone says they can't find a bike that fits them or that they like, it really means they don't want to pay much for a bike.

...The only question is price.

I'm cheap, I admit it.  Lots of stuff is ahead of dealing with the bike.

My good bike (an old Schwinn Voyageur touring bike set up with flat handlebars) is sick.  It needs a wheel and freewheel.  And probably a chain.  And, since the rail on my old Avocet saddle broke, a new saddle.  Hence my grousing about wanting a saddle that once was readily available, but now seems to be a luxury item.

Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 19, 2013, 10:20:16 AM
Brooks are not readily available at your LBS, but are available online.  They aren't cheap either.  I bought mine 6 years ago when they were significantly cheaper (but still not "cheap").  I wouldn't by a Brooks at today's prices.  I'd go for the Velo-Orange copy instead.

Wheels are available.  If you know what you need, then getting one online is a good option.  You'll need a chain if your bike is more than a year old. 

I know what you mean by priorities.  Good bikes (ie not dept store) aren't cheap, but will last decades if cared for.

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 19, 2013, 10:42:17 AM
I swear by this stuff.  Pervasive enough on a long ride.  Also if you get a saddle sore it will clear it right up.
http://www.amazon.com/Bag-Balm-BAG-BALM-OZ/dp/B0018SBP4S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1379601792&sr=8-2&keywords=bag+balm
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 19, 2013, 11:18:00 AM
I swear by this stuff.  Pervasive enough on a long ride.  Also if you get a saddle sore it will clear it right up.
http://www.amazon.com/Bag-Balm-BAG-BALM-OZ/dp/B0018SBP4S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1379601792&sr=8-2&keywords=bag+balm

Good stuff, I use it on my dog when his face is rubbed raw from bird hunting.

Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 19, 2013, 03:36:02 PM
Good stuff, I use it on my dog when his face is rubbed raw from bird hunting.



Yep I've used it on cracked and bleeding dog paws before.  She hates keeping a bandage or sock on though!
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Tallpine on September 19, 2013, 06:34:04 PM
I've got a classic Schwinn coaster hanging in my mom's garage.

The rear hub needs replacing/rebuilding because "some kid" used to slam on the brakes too hard and too often  ;/

Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on September 20, 2013, 10:43:52 AM

My good bike (an old Schwinn Voyageur touring bike set up with flat handlebars) is sick.  It needs a wheel and freewheel.  And probably a chain.  And, since the rail on my old Avocet saddle broke, a new saddle.  Hence my grousing about wanting a saddle that once was readily available, but now seems to be a luxury item.



you are going to need chainrings then

that sounds like 124-229 dollars of repairs

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mongoose-Men-s-Xcom-Road-Bike/21699109

http://www.walmart.com/ip/700c-Schwinn-Fifth-Avenue-Men-s-Hybrid-Bike/21191095
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: charby on September 20, 2013, 10:58:13 AM
you are going to need chainrings then

that sounds like 124-229 dollars of repairs

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mongoose-Men-s-Xcom-Road-Bike/21699109

http://www.walmart.com/ip/700c-Schwinn-Fifth-Avenue-Men-s-Hybrid-Bike/21191095

Friends don't let friends buy adult bikes at Wal-Mart, kind of like the tent rule you know.  ;)
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 20, 2013, 11:05:25 AM
Friends don't let friends buy adult bikes at Wal-Mart, kind of like the tent rule you know.  ;)

Worse than the tent rule.  Because walmart bikes are assembled in store by walmart employees.  This could injure or kill you.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 20, 2013, 11:07:44 AM
you are going to need chainrings then

Maybe.  I've not had a problem keeping a single set of chainrings through multiple chain and cogset replacements, especially if the rings are steel.  It depends on the mileage and actual wear.  I'd do the cogs and chain first and wait on the rings if money is tight. 

I recommend a chain with new cogs mainly because the two really wear in together and a mismatched set will cause shifting and other issues.  I've not seen the same effects on the front rings except in very worn rings.

Chris

Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 20, 2013, 11:08:41 AM
Worse than the tent rule.  Because walmart bikes are assembled in store by walmart employees.  This could injure or kill you.

I've seen forks on backwards, bar ends installed in all sorts of bizarre positions (how about pointing back at the rider?), etc without even getting into just plain old maladjustment.

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on September 20, 2013, 01:19:25 PM
old Schwinn Voyageurs were old in 1985

a Rivendell would be nicer than drop shipping a Mongoose to your local walmart for your assembly
but the Brooks seat costs more than 124 dollars.

http://www.amazon.com/Mongoose-Xcom-700c-Bike-Blue/dp/B0085WB0EU
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: mtnbkr on September 20, 2013, 01:25:18 PM
There are options in between the two extremes. :)

If there's an REI nearby, they have some nice bikes under their Novara house brand.  There will be sales and a 20% off coupon this Spring...

Chris
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on September 20, 2013, 01:42:39 PM
my favorite option is craigslisting something for 120 bucks, but the bigboxbikes of today are not the sears freespirits of 1979

The Kent Genesis 29er for 220 bucks is a heck of a deal for a commuter mountain bike

I bought 2 for my highschool kids to ride.
It has a shimano altus grupo and they have survived 2 years of riding rather well.

Sure its no Klein, but the aluminum welds are solid and they stole the geometry from something reasonable.
Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: lee n. field on September 20, 2013, 07:28:47 PM
old Schwinn Voyageurs were old in 1985

This thing (http://sandro.knot.org/blog/bike-stable/general-info-on-schwinn-voyageur-touring-bikes/), and not that, that, "thing" (http://www.performancebike.com/bikes/Product_10052_10551_1093780_-1_400321__400321).  (They pasted the name onto a bike suitable for president mom-jeans.)

I don't know how old mine is.  I wouldn't be surprised if it was 30 years old.  IT came with old tech -- Suntour derailleurs,  originally had bar end shifters.  27x1.25 wheels.  Cantilever brakes.  A touring bike of it's time.  Everything except the rear wheel and seat are in fine shape.

It originally came, BTW, with a 40 spoke rear wheel.  Try and find one of them now!  (I tried, after pretzeling that wheel.)

Title: Re: Handy tip for you bicycle types.
Post by: Harold Tuttle on September 21, 2013, 09:00:14 PM
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/velocity.asp