Survey - How much force is reasonable?

[vaskidmark]

Here is your chance to influence the training and behavior of law enforcement regarding the use of force. www.responsetoresistance.com

This is a legitimate survey in an attempt to define "reasonable" in the use of force.  So far, the numbers disagreeing with the proposed scenario responses are very small.

Warning: you will be asked to provide demographic information (age, weight, height, geographic location) before you can get to the survey.  The site will accept anything you enter, as long as the blank is filled in, so tinfoil hat wearers need not freak about black helicopters being dispatched.

stay safe.

skidmark

[ilbob]

my guess is the thread about this poll will be locked at THR soon enough unless a lot of posters express the view that any amount of force used by LE is acceptable.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?p=4033163#post4033163

Here is what I said there.

I thought it was an extremely deceptive survey. It appears to be an attempt to lump non-violent actions in with violent actions, and then using the responses from the survey to justify violent responses to such non-violent action. It also lumps in techniques that are far and away more dangerous with more Innocent techniques.

For instance,

If the subject is not attempting to harm the officer or others, but resists by using the weight of his body, or if a subject pulls away from the officers grasp, is it reasonable for the officer to attempt the following?
Any technique from the first segment
Joint Manipulations or Pressure Points (techniques that have little chance of injury)
Take Downs
Striking Muscle Mases (designed to cause cramping or a Charlie Horse) 

IMO, the two scenarios presented are not at all similar. The ONLY appropriate technique in the case of mere dead weight resistance is to gently carry them away, which is not even mentioned. The survey is trying to make it appear that dead weight resistance is akin to an attempted escape.

Nothing like a survey that advocates beating the crap out of a non-violent protester.

[Werewolf]

Seemed very much like a push poll to me.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

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"Nothing like a survey that advocates beating the crap out of a non-violent protester"


have there been instances of this happening i missed? in the last decade or 2 in the us?

[Thor]

I watched the first three segments of the survey. I really didn't like the choices they offered. Different situations could be handled differently than the options they give.

[doc2rn]

+1 to Thor

apples and oranges.