An interesting article about gun control in the UK

[kgbsquirrel]

that happening in england?

http://web.archive.org/web/20090106224426/http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_2.shtml

[RevDisk]

We have Jerry Springer type stuff here as well. We just blame it on individuals instead of their religion.

Not saying I support sharia law. Just saying, I've heard of similar enough stuff happening in my hometown.

[MillCreek]

We have Jerry Springer type stuff here as well. We just blame it on individuals instead of their religion.

Not saying I support sharia law. Just saying, I've heard of similar enough stuff happening in my hometown.

Quite true.  I just finished reading the book 'Under the Banner of Heaven' by Jon Krakauer detailing the faith-based violence that has occurred in certain Mormon fundamentalist communities. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://web.archive.org/web/20090106224426/http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/honourcrimes/crimesofhonour_2.shtml

happens here and in canada to.   has for longer than you've been breathing.  and its not just islamic folk doing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f74tx9UpyV8

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184351/David-Frances-Champion-Parents-jailed-battering-daughter-just-black-boyfriend.html
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shoot we had a president get all upset over the idea that black kids would walk the same streets at the same time  to school as black kids.

[kgbsquirrel]

happens here and in canada to.   has for longer than you've been breathing.  and its not just islamic folk doing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f74tx9UpyV8

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2184351/David-Frances-Champion-Parents-jailed-battering-daughter-just-black-boyfriend.html
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shoot we had a president get all upset over the idea that black kids would walk the same streets at the same time  to school as black kids.

Except Sharia is a cohesive set of laws that not only encourages such violations of basic human rights, but demands them in certain circumstances. It is the greatest antithesis to the founding principles of this nation that I have seen to date.

So to that I say: *expletive deleted*ck that noise.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Quite true.  I just finished reading the book 'Under the Banner of Heaven' by Jon Krakauer detailing the faith-based violence that has occurred in certain Mormon fundamentalist communities. 

That book gave me nightmares. *shudder*

The question that comes to my mind after reading that article is the same as what comes to mind after reading others of the same ilk.

What is it about "gun crime" that is so specially frightening as opposed to other crime?
Personally, I would say (where I unarmed and unable to defend myself for whatever reason) a big guy armed with superior mass and a knife intent on raping or beating me is much more frightening them being a random victim of a gunshot wound.
Seems to me that a quick death or being frightened witless for a bit isn't as bad as being physically restrained, violated and battered. It's diffrence between fear I could live with and fear I could not.
:/

[Perd Hapley]

What is it about "gun crime" that is so specially frightening as opposed to other crime?

Tyrants aren't afraid of being raped?

[Monkeyleg]

What is it about "gun crime" that is so specially frightening as opposed to other crime?

Years and years of conditioning by the media, politicians and Hollywood that death or attack by someone with a gun is somehow worse than a knifing or beating or strangulation.

We're one of the most free countries on earth when it comes to private possession of firearms, but decades of this conditioning has left probably a third or more of the country so afraid of guns that they would never even touch one with a single finger.

Andy Griffith (Sheriff Taylor) took Opie hunting. Wally Cleaver had a rifle in his bedroom. This was normal at one time. It was normal in my house and in the homes of all of the kids I knew. The anti's have done a very good job.

[De Selby]

Except Sharia is a cohesive set of laws that not only encourages such violations of basic human rights, but demands them in certain circumstances. It is the greatest antithesis to the founding principles of this nation that I have seen to date.

So to that I say: *expletive deleted* that noise.

The greatest antithesis to date?  Hyperbole much? 

People have all kind of reasons for explaining why Muslims can't be Americans.  I suppose the American Muslims just don't understand their own religion.

[RevDisk]

Except Sharia is a cohesive set of laws that not only encourages such violations of basic human rights, but demands them in certain circumstances. It is the greatest antithesis to the founding principles of this nation that I have seen to date.

So to that I say: *expletive deleted* that noise.

Actually, for the time, it was pretty liberal and civilized, under most circumstances. Problem is, things have gotten a lot more liberal and sharia law hasn't been updated to match it.

[agricola]

How's that "unwritten constitution" thing working?

Pretty well, actually.

[Balog]

Pretty well, actually.

Some folks just love their chains I guess.

[Boomhauer]

Some folks just love their chains I guess.

At least in our nation we can defend ourselves and not be arrested for it...

[Blakenzy]

At least in our nation we can defend ourselves and not be arrested for it...

Depends. Who are you defending from?

[agricola]

Some folks just love their chains I guess.

Has it ever occured to you that some people who arent American might actually like their own country?

[Balog]

Has it ever occured to you that some people who arent American might actually like their own country?

Nationalism is indeed an international phenomena. I'm American, I like my country, and I still heavily criticize it's corrupt and blatantly evil government. I have no issues with Brits defending things they like about their country, but when one of the things they like is its oppressive government then I refer you to my initial post.

[agricola]

Nationalism is indeed an international phenomena. I'm American, I like my country, and I still heavily criticize it's corrupt and blatantly evil government. I have no issues with Brits defending things they like about their country, but when one of the things they like is its oppressive government then I refer you to my initial post.

where did I say I like its "oppressive government"?  All I said was that our unwritten constitution is working pretty well.

[Balog]

where did I say I like its "oppressive government"?  All I said was that our unwritten constitution is working pretty well.

Your unwritten constitution is allowing those oppressive measures, so...

Either it isn't working well, or you approve of the things that are happening. Is there another option? 

[Tallpine]

where did I say I like its "oppressive government"?  All I said was that our unwritten constitution is working pretty well.

You mean the stiff upper lip thing ?