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DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« on: August 01, 2008, 05:16:36 AM »
I have a big problem with this.  Crossing the border should not be cause to forfeit my privacy as well as confiscation of my property for an unspecified time.  I guess one word of advice to an international traveler would be to make sure to post any documents they need access to at their destination at an online file storage site or in a web accessible e-mail system.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/01/AR2008080103030_pf.html

Travelers' Laptops May Be Detained At Border
No Suspicion Required Under DHS Policies

By Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, August 1, 2008; A01

Federal agents may take a traveler's laptop computer or other electronic device to an off-site location for an unspecified period of time without any suspicion of wrongdoing, as part of border search policies the Department of Homeland Security recently disclosed.

Also, officials may share copies of the laptop's contents with other agencies and private entities for language translation, data decryption or other reasons, according to the policies, dated July 16 and issued by two DHS agencies, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

"The policies . . . are truly alarming," said Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.), who is probing the government's border search practices. He said he intends to introduce legislation soon that would require reasonable suspicion for border searches, as well as prohibit profiling on race, religion or national origin.

DHS officials said the newly disclosed policies -- which apply to anyone entering the country, including U.S. citizens -- are reasonable and necessary to prevent terrorism. Officials said such procedures have long been in place but were disclosed last month because of public interest in the matter.

Civil liberties and business travel groups have pressed the government to disclose its procedures as an increasing number of international travelers have reported that their laptops, cellphones and other digital devices had been taken -- for months, in at least one case -- and their contents examined.

The policies state that officers may "detain" laptops "for a reasonable period of time" to "review and analyze information." This may take place "absent individualized suspicion."

The policies cover "any device capable of storing information in digital or analog form," including hard drives, flash drives, cellphones, iPods, pagers, beepers, and video and audio tapes. They also cover "all papers and other written documentation," including books, pamphlets and "written materials commonly referred to as 'pocket trash' or 'pocket litter.' "

Reasonable measures must be taken to protect business information and attorney-client privileged material, the policies say, but there is no specific mention of the handling of personal data such as medical and financial records.

When a review is completed and no probable cause exists to keep the information, any copies of the data must be destroyed. Copies sent to non-federal entities must be returned to DHS. But the documents specify that there is no limitation on authorities keeping written notes or reports about the materials.

"They're saying they can rifle through all the information in a traveler's laptop without having a smidgen of evidence that the traveler is breaking the law," said Greg Nojeim, senior counsel at the Center for Democracy and Technology. Notably, he said, the policies "don't establish any criteria for whose computer can be searched."

Customs Deputy Commissioner Jayson P. Ahern said the efforts "do not infringe on Americans' privacy." In a statement submitted to Feingold for a June hearing on the issue, he noted that the executive branch has long had "plenary authority to conduct routine searches and seizures at the border without probable cause or a warrant" to prevent drugs and other contraband from entering the country.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff wrote in an opinion piece published last month in USA Today that "the most dangerous contraband is often contained in laptop computers or other electronic devices." Searches have uncovered "violent jihadist materials" as well as images of child pornography, he wrote.

With about 400 million travelers entering the country each year, "as a practical matter, travelers only go to secondary [for a more thorough examination] when there is some level of suspicion," Chertoff wrote. "Yet legislation locking in a particular standard for searches would have a dangerous, chilling effect as officers' often split-second assessments are second-guessed."

In April, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in San Francisco upheld the government's power to conduct searches of an international traveler's laptop without suspicion of wrongdoing. The Customs policy can be viewed at: http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/travel/admissability/search_authority.ctt/search_authority.pdf.

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 05:18:26 AM »
What? It will make us all safer. 

The constitution is obsolete. Why worry about the 4th amendment.

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 05:26:20 AM »
OK, the most, and I mean MOST, shocking information in that article is this:

"In April, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in San Francisco upheld the government's power to conduct searches of an international traveler's laptop without suspicion of wrongdoing."

The 9th Communist Worker's Court rulled IN FAVOR of the government?

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 05:55:27 AM »
This has been going on for several months now. We've had our sales forces carry all proprietary data in an encrypted flash drive or accessible via VPN instead of on a laptop when they go overseas.

Sony makes a 4gb thumbnail-sized flashdrive that will fit in your wallet amid the credit cards and pocket fluff.


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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2008, 06:11:53 AM »
The flash drive will be found when your belongings are searched.

The police are experts at searching.  They do it all the time.
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2008, 06:13:41 AM »
The flash drive will be found when your belongings are searched.

The police are experts at searching.  They do it all the time.

Assuming they search you instead of just take your laptop, which is what's been happening to most business travelers.

Otherwise, VPN. Keep your stuff at the home office, take a laptop with only a basic MS office suite and nothing else.

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2008, 06:14:23 AM »
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This has been going on for several months now. We've had our sales forces carry all proprietary data in an encrypted flash drive or accessible via VPN instead of on a laptop when they go overseas.

Sony makes a 4gb thumbnail-sized flashdrive that will fit in your wallet amid the credit cards and pocket fluff.

Exactly.  This makes no sense.  There are so many good ways to electronically and securely send documents (and/or small physical devices to put them on).  Transporting sensitive files across the border on a laptop would be rather archaic.  Do they have any knowledge of some on going plan to transport sensitive files via a courier?

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2008, 06:16:24 AM »
Is it just me or do you picture some DHS loser confiscating a hi end lappy to play COD4 on, while listening to tunes on his confiscated Ipod?

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The policies cover "any device capable of storing information in digital or analog form," including hard drives, flash drives, cellphones, iPods, pagers, beepers, and video and audio tapes. They also cover "all papers and other written documentation," including books, pamphlets and "written materials commonly referred to as 'pocket trash' or 'pocket litter.'
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2008, 06:21:48 AM »
Is it just me or do you picture some DHS loser confiscating a hi end lappy to play COD4 on, while listening to tunes on his confiscated Ipod?

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The policies cover "any device capable of storing information in digital or analog form," including hard drives, flash drives, cellphones, iPods, pagers, beepers, and video and audio tapes. They also cover "all papers and other written documentation," including books, pamphlets and "written materials commonly referred to as 'pocket trash' or 'pocket litter.'

Of course. I would never take my beloved MB Pro out of the country, they'd likely be attracted by a huge shiny laptop and take it.

And iPods. Of course. Damned subversive music.

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2008, 06:53:28 AM »
Well, I guess you know where you can put that thumbdrive  shocked
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2008, 06:59:11 AM »
Well, I guess you know where you can put that thumbdrive  shocked

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2008, 07:07:50 AM »
Hope they'll enjoy my enormous collection of midget gay-porn that I'm about to start just for them...though I'd probably go to jail over that, for "assaulting the minds of the brave officers" rolleyes.

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2008, 07:12:16 AM »
Hmmm . . . maybe somewhat hidden files with weakly encrypted documents that implicate DHS officials in wrongdoing . . .
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2008, 07:14:34 AM »
Hmmm . . . maybe somewhat hidden files with weakly encrypted documents that implicate DHS officials in wrongdoing . . .
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2008, 07:24:37 AM »
Fill a laptop with videos with incriminating-sounding filenames.

But they're all rickrolls. Every single video. Every one.

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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2008, 07:25:47 AM »
Fill a laptop with videos with incriminating-sounding filenames.

But they're all rickrolls. Every single video. Every one.
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2008, 07:42:07 AM »
If you really wanted to screw with them you could name every file something like "plans to make a bomb" and the file would be an episode of some horrid cracked out children's show like H.R. Pufnstuff or Teletubbies. They would have to watch every single episode just to be sure. That would be borderline cruel and unusual though. I'd be more worried about the terrorist cell members jumping the chain link and coming into the country than searching some grandmother's computer for plans for the Death Star. Homeland security without border security is a joke. It's an expensive, liberty infringing joke at that.
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Oh dear thought crimes! Can't we just figure out who actually belongs to a terrorist group and not let them enter the country. El AL has it down and we should take some cues from them. If they can't get in, they can't attack us. Even 9/11 was launched from within this country. If they make it in, we track them down and ship them out or convict them of something.
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2008, 10:12:40 AM »
The flash drive will be found when your belongings are searched.


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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2008, 10:53:46 AM »
Homeland Security Officers don't happen to have these on their collars do they?
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2008, 11:06:37 AM »
Hey, but you're not being oppressed at all.

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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2008, 11:07:15 AM »
sounds like a good reason to encrypt everything.
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2008, 11:12:59 AM »
Just fly into Mexico, and "sneak" your laptop over the border  rolleyes
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2008, 11:17:22 AM »
My signature becomes eerily appropriate.
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2008, 12:36:52 PM »
sounds like a good reason to encrypt everything.

They may force you to give the password to get into the country.

The US court of appeals ruled properly-the government has always had the authority, constitutionally, to do whatever it wants in the way of inspection at international borders.

One danger of having a powerful judiciary is that folks get lazy-we should be pushing legislators to pass laws that prohibit this kind of invasion of privacy, instead of waiting on the courts to save us by ruling this or that tactic unconstitutional.
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Re: DHS can now confiscate your electronic equipment
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2008, 12:41:45 PM »
VPN is probably the best solution if you'll have Internet access at your destination, otherwise, the next best solution is to spread the data over multiple cards so it doesn't look interesting (bring back the old methods of uuencoding, etc) or maybe storing it as nonstandard files (rename .doc to .dll or something) before encrypting it.

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