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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2009, 11:06:15 PM »
Is there any truth to the shoelace myth, by the way?
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2009, 11:07:10 PM »
Quote from: freedom lover on August 15, 2009, 07:56:43 PM
I'm aware of that. However, I doubt that anyone could beat the soviets in a conventional war without SAMs to shoot down the jets and fast attack aircraft. Holding a line against a highly mechanized and mobile force backed up by 1960's technology with small arms and a few aircraft is probably impossible. To attempt such a thing would be suicide.

Someone feel free to correct me, but isn't this pretty much the same as the VC vs. the US in Vietnam at the end of the 60's?
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2009, 11:16:29 PM »
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Is there any truth to the shoelace myth, by the way?

Shoelace myth?
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2009, 11:18:32 PM »
There was a picture floating around the internets for a long time that showed a letter from the ATF saying that a shoelace fits the legal definition of a machinegun.
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2009, 11:36:34 PM »
There is a rumour, the origins of which I am not capable of pinpointing, claiming that the ATF ruled that, in certain circumstances, a set of shoelaces would legally qualify as a machine gun. I have never seen the ruling itself.
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2009, 11:45:37 PM »
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Is there any truth to the shoelace myth, by the way?

Yes, the shoelace trick works.

That's all the further I'm going to go into that one, though.
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2009, 11:47:11 PM »
Quote from: Gewehr98 on August 15, 2009, 11:45:37 PM
Yes, the shoelace trick works.

That's all the further I'm going to go into that one, though.

Oh, I never asked if it works.

I wonder if there really is a legal ruling to the tune that "shoelaces are machineguns".
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2009, 11:55:08 PM »
How can a shoelace be machine gun? A shoelace has nothing to do with guns at all. A shoelace is used on shoes, for tying them so they stay on your feet.
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2009, 11:57:22 PM »
Quote from: freakazoid on August 15, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
How can a shoelace be machine gun? A shoelace has nothing to do with guns at all. A shoelace is used on shoes, for tying them so they stay on your feet.

See, citizen, you're using regular logic. You should be using BATFE logic.
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #59 on: August 16, 2009, 12:10:43 AM »
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2009, 12:12:03 AM »
Quote from: freakazoid on August 15, 2009, 11:55:08 PM
How can a shoelace be machine gun? A shoelace has nothing to do with guns at all. A shoelace is used on shoes, for tying them so they stay on your feet.

This link should clarify for you:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=163966

As this has been ruled opinion'ed as construction of an illegal machine gun, we're not going to discuss particular implementation here on APS.

Quote from: MicroBalrog on August 15, 2009, 11:47:11 PM
I wonder if there really is a legal ruling to the tune that "shoelaces are machineguns".

Ruling?  As in court ruling?

Well, no.  I don't think so, anyway.

But, if you write the BATF with a question, they will provide legal advice about the question based on how they interpreted it.  One of these questions involved the shoelace device, and the response was that it was a machine gun.
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2009, 12:18:20 AM »
Thanks for the linky. ... Sounds like all it is is bump firing, but with STRING POWER! Stop living in the stone age using just your finger and the laws of physics and get into the 21st century with the item that is all the rage and get strings.  =D
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2009, 06:12:23 AM »
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This link should clarify for you:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=163966

The image 404s.
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2009, 11:00:27 AM »
Quote from: MicroBalrog on August 16, 2009, 06:12:23 AM
The image 404s.

Dude, use the awesome power of google.

Link
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2009, 11:29:07 AM »
I'm amazed at how far some people will go to get the full auto effect.  It ain't all its cracked up to be.
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2009, 11:55:54 AM »
Quote from: JamisJockey on August 16, 2009, 11:29:07 AM
I'm amazed at how far some people will go to get the full auto effect.  It ain't all its cracked up to be.

This.  Full-auto is a terrible thing to do to a good rifle.  Ersatz full-auto, even were it legalized, would still be a crime against the gun gods. 

Now a real machine gun on the other hand, has a beauty all its own.   =)
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Re: 67 Year Old Going to Prison for Cold War Weapons Cache
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2009, 12:11:04 PM »
Quote from: Nick1911 on August 16, 2009, 11:00:27 AM
Dude, use the awesome power of google.

Link

Is that real?  :O

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I'm amazed at how far some people will go to get the full auto effect.  It ain't all its cracked up to be.

I think the reason most people do it is because we should be able to and shouldn't have to go through all the different loops just to get one.
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