Author Topic: "Hollow point shotgun bullets" (Read 7684 times)

Yes. Getting shot COM with a hollow point slug will kill you 99.99% of the time, instead of 99.9% of the time.

Brings up an interesting question, I once asked some LEO and medical (SF medics) friends why I had trouble finding survival stats on COM hits with slugs...they laughed...turns out the one-shot stop stats and lethality stats for center of mass hits with slugs (when in range say less than 50 yds for slugs) are pretty uniform at basically 100% for unarmored targets.
That being said, it is still shot placement that matters.
Close range (10-15yds) with 00 buck is also pretty invariably lethal without armor--similar I would guess to 7-10 hits COM with a pistol...freak occurrences notwithstanding.

Also interesting when I started looking into it is how different the survivability stats were between rifles and pistols for COM hits without armor, brings new feelings about the "use the pistol to get to the rifle" thoughts.

So with that, shot placement is still king...mis-aimed buckshot is still mis-aimed, but if you are on target, nothing beats a shotgun at close range or a rifle at any range in terms of stopping power.

charby · « **Reply #9 on:** April 21, 2012, 11:50:45 AM »

Quote from: Tallpine on April 21, 2012, 05:26:45 AM

Is that what all the Iowa gangsters use for their "home defense" shotgun

I'm not sure what they use but if you read the news its always some sort of assault weapon.

KD5NRH · « **Reply #10 on:** April 21, 2012, 01:12:59 PM »

Quote from: birdman on April 21, 2012, 10:15:58 AM

Yes. Getting shot COM with a hollow point slug will kill you 99.99% of the time, instead of 99.9% of the time.

This; when your bullet starts out over a half inch diameter, expansion is nice, but not absolutely necessary. Hence the reason cannonballs weren't made to expand.

birdman · « **Reply #11 on:** April 21, 2012, 01:33:20 PM »

Quote from: KD5NRH on April 21, 2012, 01:12:59 PM

This; when your bullet starts out over a half inch diameter, expansion is nice, but not absolutely necessary. Hence the reason cannonballs weren't made to expand.

What is the one-shot-stop stat for cannon-balls? 200% :)

Tallpine · « **Reply #12 on:** April 21, 2012, 03:38:20 PM »

TV/movies

Ryan in Maine · « **Reply #13 on:** April 21, 2012, 04:05:57 PM »

Hollowpoint cannonball.

Tallpine · « **Reply #14 on:** April 21, 2012, 04:27:13 PM »

How about teflon coated buckshot

charby · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2012, 05:08:10 PM »

So where is this news story that you are referencing?

230RN · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2012, 05:21:07 PM »

Apparently those "cut shells" have been used for decades, but I'm wondering about the excess pressure developed when the casing has to get squooshed down to the true bore diameter.

Any insights? Does it just squoosh and that's that, no worries?

Terry, 230RN

CNYCacher · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2012, 06:14:10 PM »

We have to use shotguns in this section of NYS when deer hunting. Rifles are allowed in the more mountainous areas. Your standard 12ga slug from a smoothbore like mine is one ounce (437.5 grains) at 1600fps. There is no coming back from that with a COM hit.

Chuck Dye · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2012, 06:25:46 PM »

Quote from: 230RN on April 21, 2012, 05:21:07 PM

Apparently those "cut shells" have been used for decades, but I'm wondering about the excess pressure developed when the casing has to get squooshed down to the true bore diameter.

Any insights? Does it just squoosh and that's that, no worries?

Terry, 230RN

I don't know, but if I ever play with the idea I will use the Ithaca 37, not the Superposed!

seeker_two · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2012, 06:45:07 PM »

Quote from: Ryan in Maine on April 21, 2012, 04:05:57 PM

Hollowpoint cannonball.

Forget that....I want hollowpoint Howitzer rounds....

GigaBuist · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2012, 08:28:44 PM »

Quote from: 230RN on April 21, 2012, 05:21:07 PM

Apparently those "cut shells" have been used for decades, but I'm wondering about the excess pressure developed when the casing has to get squooshed down to the true bore diameter.

Any insights? Does it just squoosh and that's that, no worries?

Terry, 230RN

That seems to be the case, but I don't feel it's safe. I'm not running any recipe for my shotshells that isn't published in a book with a PSI value on it, and I doubt we're gonna get that with cut shells.

I suppose we don't hear of any kBs with them because they're rarely done these days, but that might change. YouTube videos covering the technique make the rounds every now and again. Same thing with the "wax slug" thing where you drip wax onto the shot of an already made shell. However, in that case there is a kB report on arfcom when somebody tried that with 50 shells. Number 50 blew the gun apart.

Sorry, no link. I can find it if you guys want it I'm sure.

Tallpine · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2012, 08:31:46 PM »

Castle, 2nd Season

Tuco · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2012, 09:05:25 PM »

Quote from: Ryan in Maine on April 21, 2012, 04:05:57 PM

Hollowpoint cannonball.

Streamlined Cannonball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8Ri4YBDnt4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

KD5NRH · « **Reply #23 on:** April 23, 2012, 02:40:06 PM »

Quote from: Chuck Dye on April 21, 2012, 06:25:46 PM

I don't know, but if I ever play with the idea I will use the Ithaca 37, not the Superposed!

This; I don't want to know what happens with the combination of an overbored barrel and an extra-full choke on my Mossberg.

Pharmacology · « **Reply #24 on:** April 23, 2012, 05:10:23 PM »

Quote from: GigaBuist on April 21, 2012, 08:28:44 PM

That seems to be the case, but I don't feel it's safe. I'm not running any recipe for my shotshells that isn't published in a book with a PSI value on it, and I doubt we're gonna get that with cut shells.

I suppose we don't hear of any kBs with them because they're rarely done these days, but that might change. YouTube videos covering the technique make the rounds every now and again. Same thing with the "wax slug" thing where you drip wax onto the shot of an already made shell. However, in that case there is a kB report on arfcom when somebody tried that with 50 shells. Number 50 blew the gun apart.
Sorry, no link. I can find it if you guys want it I'm sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZaK7D4XVo8

Quote from: Tallpine on April 20, 2012, 09:58:01 PM

I think I've heard everything now

Also: http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3325/federalslug127general.jpg

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Author Topic: "Hollow point shotgun bullets" (Read 7684 times)