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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: zxcvbob on May 17, 2010, 12:27:31 PM
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DD called me twice last week as she is moving out of her apartment (across the country, or I'd be there helping -- even though she doesn't want help.) "How do I get the legs off the couch? OK, what kind of screwdriver?" and "What tool do I need to buy to take the bed apart?"
(#2 phillips and 1/2" wrench, respectively, but I told her to get an adjustable wrench in case my memory was off and it was really 7/16 or 9/16)
Her 20th birthday is coming up pretty quick, and I tho't I could get her a small tool box with some basic good-quality tools. Sears used to sell a long shallow toolbox made of tough plastic and designed to fit under the seat of your truck. What to stock it with?
A few of essentials: ChannelLock pliers, maybe even 2 pairs (must be CL brand with the blue handles, no substitutes); a long 1/2x9/16 offset box-end wrench; 12 oz. claw hammer; a few assorted screwdrivers; cheap torpedo level; tape measure; wire strippers, and maybe a pair of water pump pliers.
But what about combination wrenches? Should I get a set of metrics or SAE? Same question with allen wrenches. Her car has all metric fasteners, but I really don't see her doing any car repairs herself. Everything else still has English fasteners, right?
Maybe a 1/4" socket set and ratchet?
A 10" or 12" pipe wrench, or would that be just inviting trouble? :)
What else? (less that $200 total, but maybe not much less)
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I've found I use the CRAP out of a craftsman mechanics tool set.
Has SAE and Metric shallow well sockets, 3/8 and 1/4. Several combo wrenches, and a set of allen wrenches. Screwdriver with assorted bits.
I can do many auto repairs with this set plus a 10" 3/8 drive extension.
Vice grips are a good addition. As is an adjustable wrench and channel locks.
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Second on the vise grips.
And a low-end floor jack and two-handed lugnut wrench. 15 minutes ago, a lady hit a curb near the apartment. Instant flat.
I had the thing changed in about five minutes.
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Channel locks are a must. I'd add a couple of needle nose of different sizes and a pair of cross cut plyers. A really nice handle with interchangable bits would save space. You could have an assortment of phillips, slotted, torx, square drive, etc. Flashlight is always nice.
Better stop now or the toolbox will get too big. A couple of wood chisels, punches, utility knife and putty knife are always good. If you're really in the mood, you can get her a 9v screw gun/drill and some bits pretty cheaply.
I'm done. Promise.
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Going by her questions, I'd stock the toolbox with the following:
Phillips screwdrivers, #1 and #2
Flat-bladed screwdrivers, 1/4" and 3/8"
Two or three adjustible wrenches, with the largest opening up to no more than 1 1/2"
Two sets of hex or allen wrenches, English and metric
Pliers, one pair regular and one needle-nosed
Electrical outlet tester (the kind that plugs into the wall outlet with the three lights on the other end)
A small level, no more than 8" long
12 oz claw hammer
I think that would be enough to do basic stuff like work on assemble-it-yourself furniture, change wall outlet and switch covers, hang pictures and drapes, and the like. As long as she's renting, leave the plumbing and other serious work to the building management. It probably wouldn't hurt to add a screwdriver that takes hex bits and a bit set, but I would not look to that as a replacement for the dedicated screwdrivers. Sometimes you can't get to recessed screws with the hex bit drivers. Off the top of my head I can't think of what she might need vice grips or channel locks for.
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You might also include a small cordless drill and a small bit set of your choice that has the basic drill bits and an assortment of screw bits.
A corded drill might be better as I think about it.. if it is infrequent use the batteries will probably be flat when she tries to use it.
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An interchangeable bit screwdriver set will save on some space in the toolbox. 1 handle and many bits. And since most are standard 1/4" bits, she can cheaply/easily buy just any bit for an oddball fastener she comes across for a buck, instead of a whole driver.
The bits would also have utility in a drill.
Hex keys, the kind that are all stuck together like a jacknife are good. Can't lose them that way, and lots of "young people" furniture, Ikea stuff etc. needs a hex key/allen wrench to assemble it, and the one they give you is usually cheap Chinese mild steel that strips, rounds it's corners off etc.
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I seem to recall a three-pack of adjustable wrenches from Lowes on sale for $15 at one time. I bought them in a pinch once, and I still use them regularly. I also have an 8-piece box/open wrench set, Stanley, I think that see regular use. I want to say $10 from walmart. There's probably a three or four piece plier set for under $20 at a hardware store.
Craftsman sells some 10-ish piece 1/4" ratchet sets real cheap. She won't start an auto shop with it, but it helps assembling furniture. Take the pieces out of the plastic boxes to save space.
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Channel-locks make a really good hammer if you use the back of 'em. ;/
I changed the rear brakes on my truck this weekend and one of the pads was frozen. I thought I was gonna have to use a cutting torch to get it off. But I was *just* able to get a good grip on the backing plate in one little spot with the big Channel-locks. Then beat the hell out of them with a 3# hammer until it broke loose. (hammer and cold chisel didn't work, hammer and Channel-locks did.) The CL's look no worse for the wear. Any other brand wouldn't have gripped tight enough, and if they had the hammering would have destroyed 'em. I've ruined a big pair of Harbor Freight pliers just by cracking a few Atomic Fireball candies -- no hammer involved.
The Craftsman 154 piece mechanics set for $100 looks like a good start and it has an organizer case. Then their 17" plastic "Compact Truck Box" for $8, throw in Channel-locks, screw drivers, level, outlet tester, etc. ought to be a good combination. I can add a few spares from my tools, like some long socket extensions and some needle-nose pliers.
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Oh yeah... a piece of pipe the length of the toolbox that'll fit over the breaker bar or lug wrench that she can use for a cheater bar.
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Oh yeah... a piece of pipe the length of the toolbox that'll fit over the breaker bar or lug wrench that she can use for a cheater bar.
Yea, good idea. An inch and a half, 18 inch long chunk of black iron pipe can do wonders for leverage. I've also broken a ratchet this way, before I knew any better. :facepalm:
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ChannelLock pliers, maybe even 2 pairs (must be CL brand with the blue handles, no substitutes); a long 1/2x9/16 offset box-end wrench; 12 oz. claw hammer; a few assorted screwdrivers; cheap torpedo level; tape measure; wire strippers, and maybe a pair of water pump pliers.
Needle nose pliers. Side-cutter.
Duct tape and electricians tape, 1 roll each.
Pocket knife, lock blade if possible. How anyone can exist without one, I cannot fathom.
I'm tempted to poke around the Jensen tool website, and see if they have anything approximating what you want.
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She's got a good pocketknife already -- Opinel #8. (not sure if I spelled that right.)
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a tape measure.
trust me on this.
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I had forgotten about a tape measure. Get one that's at least 10'. Wait for a sale, and you can get a 30' Stanley for $4.
I would dump all kinds of other tools for a tape measure if I had to.
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There's more for your life at Sears.
$119.95
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Curlers.
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There's more for your life at Sears.
$119.95
If that's all Craftsman, I'd say add a few things from others' suggestions and call it good.
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There is no tool kit without channel locks. And maybe a pipe wrench.
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There's more for your life at Sears.
$119.95
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I would add some channel locks, needle nose, and a variety of common sized box-ends and call it a winner.
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Flashlight
Hammer
Duct tape
Detcord
Done.
=D
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I would add some channel locks, needle nose, and a variety of common sized box-ends and call it a winner.
Hacksaw or some kind of multipurpose saw might not be a bad addition either. Drywall saws work for lots more than just drywall.
Brad
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Hacksaw Detcord or some kind of multipurpose saw high explosive might not be a bad addition either. Drywall saws Semtex works for lots more than just drywall.
Brad
FTFY. :laugh:
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i'm a girl in need of a toolbox.
please?
:angel:
=D
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i'm a girl in need of a toolbox.
please?
:angel:
=D
The temptation to say something unapproriate is very, very high right now... :laugh:
Brad
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The temptation to say something unapproriate is very, very high right now... :laugh:
Brad
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give me explosives, not flip comments. :P
:lol:
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Are explosively flip comments allowed? What about comments that aren't flip, but are explosive? How about flippant explosives? They tell you off before detonating.
:laugh:
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the cute option. =D (http://www.collectionsetc.com/Product/purple-ladies-tool-kit-set.aspx/_/Ntt-tools)
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the cute option. =D (http://www.collectionsetc.com/Product/purple-ladies-tool-kit-set.aspx/_/Ntt-tools)
[barf]
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I agree with the Craftsman tool set and then supplement it from there idea. Even their Evolv brand is a good buy. You might even be able to combine two Craftsman tool sets to get what you need. And remind her that all her Craftsman hand tools (other than bits) have a lifetime warranty.
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[barf]
lol, i just knew about it because i had been looking for one for a 13yo. =D
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I've been waiting for someone to post the "toolkit" that's a high-heeled shoe (hammer) butter knife (screwdriver) etc.
Now don't get the wrong idea, I wasn't going to do it, but I thought SOMEONE would. :angel:
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If the craftsman kit is in your budget then definitely. I still use the 200+ piece kit I bought in high school, I just have added to it as needed and moved from a plain tool box to a cabinet over the years. I have another 200 piece craftsman tool kit in an annoying case but which fits behind the back seat of my truck nicely just in case.
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Things I wish I had when I got my first apartment:
Channel locks
Adjustable wrench (actually, two or three of them for good measure, can never find one when I need it)
Box cutter
Assorted phillips and flathead screwdrivers
Assorted pliers
Headlamp
Hacksaw
Flashlight
Drill
Comfortable allen wrench set (seriously, if she's like most 20 year olds, almost all of her furniture for quite a long time is going to come from IKEA.)
Eletrical and duct tape
Hammer
Studfinder
Tape measure
Level
A box or two of nails, screws, anchors
If all that comes in under budget, might be worth getting her a big flashflight for power outages and making sure her fire extinguishers don't need replacing.
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I've been waiting for someone to post the "toolkit" that's a high-heeled shoe (hammer) butter knife (screwdriver) etc.
Now don't get the wrong idea, I wasn't going to do it, but I thought SOMEONE would. :angel:
still have the scars from the last time. :angel:
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Poundy thing, turny thing, squeezy thing...
For the "typical" ( =D ) "mechanically declined" woman - pair slip joint pliers, 8" crescent hammer, 6 in 1 screwdriver, duct tape, zip ties, baling wire, smaller claw hammer. Anything more capable than that and my wife is going to seriously screw something up and she has totaled a few things with those tools.
If she is actually competent with hand tools celebrate the rarity and get her a serious tool kit.
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Zip ties! Good call, I've done all kinds of crazy things with zipties when I either couldn't figure out how to do it the right way or didn't have the right fixtures.
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best place i've found to buy zip ties. (http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10520) yeah yeah, i post it to much. but really i ain't making money on monoprice. :angel: oh and, never use them for hanging a dartboard. but these (http://solutions.3m.com/wps/portal/3M/en_US/Command/home/) are the only way i hang pictures, clocks, posters. oh and i have one by my door for my keys.(it's metal looks pretty good =D)
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Second on the vise grips.
And a low-end floor jack and two-handed lugnut wrench. 15 minutes ago, a lady hit a curb near the apartment. Instant flat.
I had the thing changed in about five minutes.
Get her number? =D
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I remember years ago, not long after we got married, I started putting together a tool kit for my wife. I came home from work and she had completely dissassembled the stand mixer (a pretty nice, pricey one) to clean it. I mean competely. She had opened it up and removed every screw, gear, pin, or belt. She had no idea how to put it back together, so she just waited for me to get home. I looked at the puzzle for about 30 seconds, and threw it away. There was no way I could have figured that thing out!
DD
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....damn, I had hoped that was a unique experience. My ex-wife did similar shortly after I had bought her a toolbox - she took apart the microwave, mixers (hand and stand) blender, toaster, coffee maker, coffee grinder, electric can opener (good, I hated that damn disgusting thing), and the electric hot plate.
To clean them.
I got SOME of them back together, but damn. I think most of them were assembled via jigs to hold things in place while machines popped the fasteners into place. =|
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Screws and nails and zip ties and such. Also assorted wall-hanging stuff, for various types of walls.
Saw of some kind. Little hacksaw is handy.
The Craftsman kit.
I prefer vise-grips over just about any other kind of "turny thing". I find them easier to use. Maybe because I kind of have a weak grip, maybe just because that's what my father had in his toolbox, but I love 'em and find them very handy.
Tiny screwdrivers. Often need 'em for glasses, electronics, computers, etc., if the idea is truly all-purpose tool kit.
Level. Quite cheap and very handy
Stick a sturdy pencil in there.
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little hacksaw is AKA a coping saw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coping_saw). oh and i forgot the swiss army knife. a cyber tool (http://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-Swiss-CyberTool-Translucent-Pocket/dp/B0019T3GSY) is sweet.
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the cute option. =D (http://www.collectionsetc.com/Product/purple-ladies-tool-kit-set.aspx/_/Ntt-tools)
My mom got one of those, in pink, because she wanted a set of tools my dad, brother and I wouldn't use (and eventually lose).
Didn't work.
Though, to be fair, we lost far fewer of those tools than out of other tool kits. I think it's because the hot pink was easier to see, and hence find again. :lol:
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....damn, I had hoped that was a unique experience. My ex-wife did similar shortly after I had bought her a toolbox
Would you ever have believed there could be so many little parts in a mixer? :O
DD
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the cute option. =D (http://www.collectionsetc.com/Product/purple-ladies-tool-kit-set.aspx/_/Ntt-tools)
My wife had a grey & blue version of that set, pretty much, before I moved in several years ago. They were surprisingly good for cheapo tools.
That purple is UGLY, though.
Re: what to get -
I concur with the previously posted Craftsman tool kit plus additions.
- I'd go with a good flashlight using common batteries - either a multi-AA or multi-D, depending on how big you (or she) want to go. For in-tool-kit storage, the AA would be a better fit.
- Metric AND SAE allen wrenches - you can get flip-out handles with a variety of sizes in both styles for cheap at Sears which take up no more room than a ring of regular allen wrenches and are IME easier to keep track of than loose wrenches or ones on rings (although I see the Craftsman kit has two small sets of loose wrenches - so this would be one I'd drop if necessary for cost).
- Another adjustable wrench (different sized from the one in the kit), and perhaps a moderate assortment of box wrenches (I would drop these for cost consideration, if necessary - you can do almost anything necessary at home with a pair of adjustables that you can with a set of box or crescent wrenches, IME).
- A pipe wrench, probably 12" size.
- A pair of vise-grips.
- Duct tape.
- A small assortment of screws, bolts, nuts, nails (you can frequently get little multi-compartment sets of fasteners and hangers - this would something else you might tell her to get, rather than including in your gift toolkit).
- A pair of channel-locks (how much are those little slip-on covers to keep them from damaging pipes and stuff? Then again, I've gotten along fine without 'em...).
- Precision screwdrivers might not be a bad idea, either - I use mine a lot (tell her to buy some if you need to drop for cost).
- More than anything else, get her leather gloves that fit.
Those, and at least a good bit of the above, and she ought to be able to handle almost any basic household repair. Adjust as necessary for cost, as I know my total there would go over $200 for everything.
If you want to spend more, add a powered screwdriver or drill/driver of some kind, with a bit kit - Black and Decker rechargeable screwdrivers are cheap at Wally World, or you could get a more powerful cordless drill/driver at Home Despot for not too much more (or maybe even at Wally World, come to think of it). Actually, maybe better to go with an actual cordless drill/driver and drill bit set, with an extra battery if you can afford to do so (or just tell her to buy her own).
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I was once gifted one of those cheap home tool kits. Had a bunch of stuff, and I tried intergrating it with my tools. Most of them broke. Only have the hammer and the measuring tape left.
Most of my tools are craftsman. Need to venture to sears in the next day or two and buy a new 12v drill setup.
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Screws and nails and zip ties and such. Also assorted wall-hanging stuff, for various types of walls.
Saw of some kind. Little hacksaw is handy.
The Craftsman kit.
I prefer vise-grips over just about any other kind of "turny thing". I find them easier to use. Maybe because I kind of have a weak grip, maybe just because that's what my father had in his toolbox, but I love 'em and find them very handy.
Tiny screwdrivers. Often need 'em for glasses, electronics, computers, etc., if the idea is truly all-purpose tool kit.
Level. Quite cheap and very handy
Stick a sturdy pencil in there.
There we go, proving the stereotype, Vicegrips are "squeezy things".
How can you ever expect to "use the right tool for the job" if you can't properly ID a tools function?
=D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D =D
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There we go, proving the stereotype, Vicegrips are "squeezy things".
OK, vicegrips are tools that allow you to carefully crush small objects. Just enough to crack that walnut.
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Costco has a real nice set of tools for sale for 99 bucks. There is just about anything you can possibility need for a toolbox. Sears has nice tool kits that go on sale from time to time. Me, I have mostly Craftsman, Sears, tools, but now if I need something I stop at Harbor Freight. Being 66 years old, the lifetime warranty is just not that important any longer. They may be reasonable but have a good warranty anyway.....Stay away from the top shelf tools like Snap-on, Matco, etc. Unless you are a professional mechanic, the price is not worth it. Besides, they are sold by a truck vendor. There is no store...chris3
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and after they break a few times the truck stops coming by. :facepalm:
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and after they break a few times the truck stops coming by. :facepalm:
I have a few Snap-On tools from back in my hot-rodding days. Abused the heck out of them (like cheater-bar-and-hammer abused). Not a single one broken. Ever.
Brad
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ever use them in a knitting mill? :angel:
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Well there's you're problem! I've never knitted anything, but I'm pretty sure trying to do it with a Snap-On 5/8" box end isn't the best way. :laugh:
Brad
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I went to Sear's and to Home Depot over lunch and got a good start. Just need to place an order with Harbor Freight for some filler items, and it's OK if they don't get here in time. So far:
- 22" black plastic tool box
- 12 oz Estwing claw hammer
- 10" ChannelLocks
- Stanley 16' tape measure
- 10" Craftsman hacksaw
- long handled 1/2×9/16" box-end wrench
- set of cheap tiny screwdrivers
- Greenlee wire-strippers/screw-cutters
- 43-piece racheting T-handle set with lots of screwdriver bits and 1/4" sockets that was on sale at HD. (this came in its own nice little case that won't fit in the toolbox. Would easily fit in the toolbox if she dumps it into a quart Ziplock freezer bag)
Things still to add: electrical outlet tester, a few real screwdrivers, SAE and metric allen wrench sets, cheap pick and hook set, Harbor Freight combination wrench set, 12" level, small or medium Crescent wrench, some tie-wraps, small pry bar.
The hammer was the most expensive item ($20.) A $5 hammer would have been just fine but I got carried away.
I'm not sure about 3/8" drive sockets and rachet. Will probably pass on those for now; I don't want her taking her car apart. ;/
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Well there's you're problem! I've never knitted anything, but I'm pretty sure trying to do it with a Snap-On 5/8" box end isn't the best way. :laugh:
Brad
lol, this kind of knitting (http://www.fjyinghong.com/EN/our.aspx).
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I'm not sure about 3/8" drive sockets and rachet. Will probably pass on those for now; I don't want her taking her car apart.
Get her a 1/4" drive set. Less likely to instill delusions of granduer. And, do you really want her testing electrical systems? For my wife if it doesn't work when she plugs it in she is allowed to check the breaker box and if tripped reset a breaker ONCE, otherwise it is to be left to me.
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And, do you really want her testing electrical systems? For my wife if it doesn't work when she plugs it in she is allowed to check the breaker box and if tripped reset a breaker ONCE, otherwise it is to be left to me.
For a person of that skill level, a voltage detector may not be a bad idea.
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or a multimeter to diagnose the stand mixer. [tinfoil]
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or a multimeter to diagnose the stand mixer. [tinfoil]
Well heck, if you'er gonna go that far jut a well set her up with a good quad trace 'scope... =D
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Lots of good suggestions. Consider mine supplementary.
1. Several nitrile gloves
2. Decent leather work gloves.
Keep her from getting greasy hands, blisters, or bunged up knuckles.
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I remember years ago, not long after we got married, I started putting together a tool kit for my wife. I came home from work and she had completely dissassembled the stand mixer (a pretty nice, pricey one) to clean it. I mean competely. She had opened it up and removed every screw, gear, pin, or belt. She had no idea how to put it back together, so she just waited for me to get home. I looked at the puzzle for about 30 seconds, and threw it away.
...and...
....damn, I had hoped that was a unique experience. My ex-wife did similar shortly after I had bought her a toolbox
Gentlemen, gentlemen. Allow me to point out the blunt and unvarnished reality to you youngsters: They wanted new stuff.
Terry, 230RN
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I'm with RoadKingLarry. Every basic tool kit requires an oscilloscope. You wouldn't believe how many things I've wired up to the scope, automotive and otherwise. ;)
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Get a starter kit for Sears or whatever. Then provide her with the address of her local Harbor Freight emporium. A buck goes a really long way there. If tools are seldom used there is no need to go top of the line. HF works just fine for an occasional use.
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Gentlemen, gentlemen. Allow me to point out the blunt and unvarnished reality to you youngsters: They wanted new stuff.
Terry, 230RN
Yep. She's still got that big ole Kitchenaid mixer that replaced it, now near 20 years later. Still works like a champ.
(She does need to use it for baking a bit more often...) :lol:
DD
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Here's what I ended up with. It's a mixture of mostly Craftsman, Channel Lock, Stanley, and Harbor Freight, and it came in right at $200 if I ignore the sales tax. (I kind of blew the budget a little with the fancy Estwing hammer and that box-end wrench)
10" Channel Locks
1/2 x 9/16" long-beam box end wrench
22" plastic toolbox
Folding utility knife
10" hacksaw
12 oz claw hammer
electrical outlet tester
tie wraps, 4" and 8"
wire strippers
3/8" socket set with ratchet
22 pc Metric and SAE combination wrench set
8 pc heavy duty screwdriver set
Metric and SAE hex key sets
4 pc 3/8" drive extension set
8" needle-nose pliers
6" slip joint pliers
4 pc pick and hook set
3 1/2" nine LED flashlight
43 pc ratcheting T-handle 1/4" driver set
2" putty knife
15" wrecking bar
4 pc tiny screwdriver set
pocket reversible screwdriver
16' metal-cased tape measure
nailset punches (3)
8" torpedo level
bottle and paint can opener
Everything except the T-handle driver set (which has its own nice hard case) just barely fits in the 22" tool box. It'll be a PITA every time she needs to get something out that's not right on top. I told her she could take the hammer and pry bar out, then put the sockets in ziplock bags, and everything would fit better but she likes having everything in one place and in the smallest box that will hold it.
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I kind of blew the budget a little with the fancy Estwing hammer
Money well-spent.
12 oz claw hammer
Is this it? Those 12oz Estwings aren't commonly seen. Usually only 16oz and up.
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Don't forget the Handi-Wipes, alcohol swabs, and Band-Aids......not a bad idea for a guy's toolbox as well....
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Is this it? Those 12oz Estwings aren't commonly seen. Usually only 16oz and up.
Sounds like their finishing hammer. I have one and it's a dandy around-the-house general purpose hammer. Small enough to fit in a drawer without taking up the whole gogging thing but enough weight to handle most daily bang-your-thumb-into-submission needs. I have a 22oz framing hammer for the larger stuff and, if necessary, a 5lb sledge as a tool of last resort.
Don't forget the Handi-Wipes, alcohol swabs, and Band-Aids......not a bad idea for a guy's toolbox as well....
Pfft... girly man. What do you think WD40, shops rags, and electrical tape are for?
Brad
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, and Band-Aids......not a bad idea for a guy's toolbox as well....
Duct tape.