Got autism: have a nice poop milkshake

[MillCreek]

https://newatlas.com/fecal-transplants-autism-symptoms-reduction/59278/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2019-04-12%20143354%20USA%20Daily%20Basic%202019-04-12%20144309%20Fecal%20transplants%20result%20in%20massive%20long-term%20reduction%20in%20autism%20symptoms&utm_content=2019-04-12%20143354%20USA%20Daily%20Basic%202019-04-12%20144309%20Fecal%20transplants%20result%20in%20massive%20long-term%20reduction%20in%20autism%20symptoms+CID_ca72092aa56c8ed43fc45a7257da8d85&utm_source=Campaign%20Monitor&utm_term=Read%20more

There is a lot of interesting stuff coming out these days on the gut biome and relationship to overall health.

[Firethorn]

Yeah, but gut biome isn't going to affect autism.

Might help you lose weight though, but you need to get gut bacteria from a skinny person, not a fat one.

[MillCreek]

^^^If you clicky the blue link above, you will read the article on the research study using fecal transplants to modify the gut biome and how it has helped some cases of autism.

[BobR]

Yeah, but gut biome isn't going to affect autism.

Might help you lose weight though, but you need to get gut bacteria from a skinny person, not a fat one.

Whether or not it helps is to be seen. I know a kid I would like to get enrolled in any studies they do. I can just imagine trying to get an autistic kid to willingly do a daily bowel cleanse and fecal transplant for 7 to 8 weeks. That has got to be a real *expletive deleted*it storm with some of them.

bob

[Firethorn]

^^^If you clicky the blue link above, you will read the article on the research study using fecal transplants to modify the gut biome and how it has helped some cases of autism.

Reading the link, given the described bowel related symptoms before they began treatment, I'm not surprised that they experienced behavioral improvements if they fixed the bowel symptoms such that the kid isn't in pain, constipated, and otherwise uncomfortable all the time.

I'm wondering if there is actually a link between autism and unhealthy gut bacteria, which way it goes, etc...  Because lots of fat kids have the same problem, and they're not autistic.

Reminds me of a story about a woman with a disabled kid who had a lot of allergies.  His teacher was wondering one week why he was responding so much worse and trying to bash his head in.  Then the mother asked how much better he was doing, she'd found a new cleansing shampoo that should be making him all sorts of better.  Thing is?  Shampoo based on coconut.  What's one of the things he was allergic to?  Coconut.  Poor kid had a full scalp rash that was driving him nuts.  Get the rash treated, back to old self...

[MillCreek]

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-42183-0

Here is the actual article on the study.  I wanted to find out how they were administering the fecal transplants, but the article was short on methodology.  I thought I had read elsewhere that the current state of the art is freeze-dried poop in capsules, which is much better tolerated than running a NG tube in and administering a liquid suspension or slurry.

[makattak]

Y'know, in the future, we may find some better way of implanting/encouraging the growth of beneficial bacteria into our own biomes....


But, I'm fairly certain fecal transplants will look like witchcraft/voodoo/witchdoctory to every preceding and following generation. (You do WHAT with WHAT? In WHERE?)

[MechAg94]

Y'know, in the future, we may find some better way of implanting/encouraging the growth of beneficial bacteria into our own biomes....


But, I'm fairly certain fecal transplants will look like witchcraft/voodoo/witchdoctory to every preceding and following generation. (You do WHAT with WHAT? In WHERE?)

Don't forget the leeches and maggots!

[RoadKingLarry]

Don't forget the leeches and maggots!

Actually, both have beneficial uses in medicine.
Leeches are used to promote blood flow to reattached body parts and maggots have been used to clean wounds of necrotic tissue.

[MillCreek]

https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/easl/79186

And also good for complications of cirrhosis, which may resonate more for this group.

[BobR]

And just where does all that poop come from they want to give people you might ask. Well, they don't hang out at the local Taco Bell with a sign asking for your poop.

https://www.openbiome.org/stool-donation/

If done right you can make 13K a year, they say.


bob

[Perd Hapley]

The cure sounds worse than the disease.

[T.O.M.]

A co-workers mother had a massive infection,  and due to the antibiotics needed to stave off the infection, she was left with essentially no gut bacteria.   She survived the infection, but was headed towards dying because she couldn't properly digest food.  They did, essentially, a pop transplant from a grandson, for a week or so.  It saved her life.

[TommyGunn]

A co-workers mother had a massive infection,  and due to the antibiotics needed to stave off the infection, she was left with essentially no gut bacteria.   She survived the infection, but was headed towards dying because she couldn't properly digest food.  They did, essentially, a pop transplant from a grandson, for a week or so.  It saved her life.

A "pop" transplant sounds better than a "poop" transplant even though I don't know what a pop transplant is.  ......

[Perd Hapley]

A "pop" transplant sounds better than a "poop" transplant even though I don't know what a pop transplant is.  ......

A pop transplant is an exchange program whereby a 2-liter of Faygo trades places with a case of Ale 8 One, just for a semester.

[RoadKingLarry]

A "pop" transplant sounds better than a "poop" transplant even though I don't know what a pop transplant is.  ......

I think Coke tried that in 1985 but it didn't work so well.

[Sindawe]

Reminds me of a story about a woman with a disabled kid who had a lot of allergies.  His teacher was wondering one week why he was responding so much worse and trying to bash his head in.  Then the mother asked how much better he was doing, she'd found a new cleansing shampoo that should be making him all sorts of better.  Thing is?  Shampoo based on coconut.  What's one of the things he was allergic to?  Coconut.  Poor kid had a full scalp rash that was driving him nuts.  Get the rash treated, back to old self...

Parent got very lucky.  One of the tales I've read over in r/justnomil on Reddit involved a MIL who covered her grandchildren in coconut oil before bed, despite being clearly told not to do so by the mother since one of the twins was allergic to it.  Child went into anaphylaxis, vomited and suffocated on the vomit.  Grandma has been cut out of the families life since.

Research on gut flora is proving interesting.  Beyond just the microbes, it may be that some of lifeforms that are normally considered parasites to be eliminated such as some species of nematodes act to keep the immune system busy and in balance.  Removal of them might be a causative factor in some autoimmune related illnesses like eczema & arthritis.   

[HeroHog]

https://youtu.be/SX8nicMsUN0