Work Place Violence, or muslim terrorism?

[Mannlicher]

well hell, I guess it can be both, right?  Muslim shooters in San Bernardino yesterday.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/12/02/multiple-victims-reported-shot-in-san-bernardino/

but no worry's about bringing in hundreds of thousands more of 'em, right?

[griz]

It certainly seems to be both.  I think the problem lies with our desire to fit every event in to one single cubbyhole.  Real life is messy and complicated.

[Perd Hapley]

I guess it can be both, right?

Wouldn't be the first time.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/26/us/oklahoma-beheading/index.html

[charby]

It certainly seems to be both.  I think the problem lies with our desire to fit every event in to one single cubbyhole.  Real life is messy and complicated.

Did they do the attack in the name of a religion, group or whatever? That would determine if it was terrorism or not.

[Ron]

Did they do the attack in the name of a religion, group or whatever? That would determine if it was terrorism or not.

Coordinated attack, outfitted for "battle", pre-prepared explosive devices, Muslim and recently back from a pilgrimage.

Maybe he was going for a twofer, kill some personal enemies as well as please Allah with the death of infidels in his act of jihadi martyrdom.   

[makattak]

Coordinated attack, outfitted for "battle", pre-prepared explosive devices, Muslim and recently back from a pilgrimage.

Maybe he was going for a twofer, kill some personal enemies as well as please Allah with the death of infidels in his act of jihadi martyrdom.    

Note that, from appearances, they weren't intent on the martyrdom part. Otherwise they'd have stayed to shoot out with police and maximize body count before that.

[Marnoot]

Note that, from appearances, they weren't intent on the martyrdom part. Otherwise they'd have stayed to shoot out with police and maximize body count before that.

Them escaping (initially, anyway) also doesn't jive with typical workplace shootings. They usually off themselves or go out shooting, too. I really think this a was a mix of workplace and some "jihad". Maybe he wasn't pissed-off enough soley about work to shoot it up, and wasn't quite radicalized enough to do some jihad on its own, but was pissed enough and radicalized enough that by their powers combined they went on their spree.

I'd guess intent was to shoot up his co-workers, escape, then do more damage/violence elsewhere a la jihad.

[roo_ster]

I blame climate change.

[AJ Dual]

It could easily be 100% Islamic terror. Unless he wrote a manifesto or something, we'll never know if he had a personal animus for his job or co-workers beyond their nominal infidel status.

Yes, it could be a two-fer, however, it could also well be just a place that he was intimate with the layout, the (lack of) security, and could guarantee himself and the other two shooters where a large gathering of people would be.

The other Middle Eastern housemates, whom I'm unclear how many there were, and if their whereabouts are known, and the pipe-bomb IED workshop, RC cars/toys with bombs on them etc. definitely points to it being majority Islamist terror, and minority workplace revenge/violence at best, if at all.

[RoadKingLarry]

Obviously this is all the fault of the NRA.

[RocketMan]

Them escaping (initially, anyway) also doesn't jive with typical workplace shootings. They usually off themselves or go out shooting, too. I really think this a was a mix of workplace and some "jihad". Maybe he wasn't pissed-off enough soley about work to shoot it up, and wasn't quite radicalized enough to do some jihad on its own, but was pissed enough and radicalized enough that by their powers combined they went on their spree.

I'd guess intent was to shoot up his co-workers, escape, then do more damage/violence elsewhere a la jihad.

I was thinking about this earlier today.  You may be close to the answer.  Another possibility is that they had planned an attack for a future date at some other location, but something pissed him off at the party.  In a fit of anger he told his spousal unit that the attack was going to happen "right now", hence his leaving the party early and coming back to shoot up the place.

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

Islamic terrorism. PERIOD. We can argue if it was an ordered / planned attack by terrorist HQ or just Inspired by Islamic teachings, still Islamic terrorism.

[HankB]

Drudge reported that some neighbors saw suspicious activity before the shootings, but were afraid to report it for fear of being accused of racism, bigotry, and/or Islamophobic profiling. (Same thing as some Army shrinks who figured Major Nidal Hassan was trouble . . . but reporting him would jeopardize their careers.)

[Hawkmoon]

Did they do the attack in the name of a religion, group or whatever? That would determine if it was terrorism or not.

Only to a point. To many of us, hundreds of rounds of ammunition is just an afternoon of plinking, but if these people didn't engage in shooting for sport then having that much ammo has a more serious connotation. And they didn't whip up more than a dozen pipe bombs in the time between when Syed left the party and the couple returned with their "arsenal."

How do you accurately label it if it was a case of a disgruntled worker engaging in "workplace violence," but said disgruntled worker just happens to have been a terrorist in the making? Does that make it "workplace terrorism"?

[Andiron]

Drudge reported that some neighbors saw suspicious activity before the shootings, but were afraid to report it for fear of being accused of racism, bigotry, and/or Islamophobic profiling. (Same thing as some Army shrinks who figured Major Nidal Hassan was trouble . . . but reporting him would jeopardize their careers.)

Hamstrung by political correctness.