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What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« on: November 02, 2022, 04:43:05 PM »
oooh look.  Sneak preview of next week in Portland and Austin:

https://twitter.com/laralogan/status/1587859491537780737?s=20&t=l23RHzZXKJ5VYNVhJgNzzw


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/protestors-burn-tyres-set-up-28371609

(Link is different then pic, but same basic stuff)

Reports are thousands of people have surrounded Brazil's version of the Pentagon to request a military coup.  Should be interesting times.

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2022, 05:47:56 PM »
In Philadelphia they're already saying it will take "days" to finalize results. With most of the rest of the country able to report final results within 24 hours or less - usually much less - critics are saying they'll need that time to manufacture votes for the D candidates.

Of course, the critics are just denialists who want to destroy democracy - like they tried when Obama beat Romney in 59 Philly precincts by a tally of 19,305 to 0, a margin which would have satisfied Ferdinand Marcos or any of the last three Nork leaders.
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2022, 06:03:15 PM »
The situation in Brazil is definitely getting sporty.  Still have family down there, so getting pretty regular updates.   Reports are that especially in the Northeast, where leftist control is heaviest and cartel influence is heaviest, some areas are reporting more votes for "Lula" (the leftist loon) than the entire population of the area.  The running jokes are that the mass resurrections of dead in order to vote (for Lula, of course) clearly are a sign of the Second Coming of Christ. 

Truckers are literally stopping on the highways and blocking major roads/freeways in protest. 

Things will definitely get more interesting.  A lot of the right-wing are effectively demanding a military coup in order to hold a "do-over" election with strict controls by the military - ID checks and the like - prior to voting.
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2022, 06:29:09 PM »
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Congratulations immediately started pouring in for Lula from across the world, with US President Biden saying the win came "following free, fair and credible elections".
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63451860
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2022, 08:58:20 PM »
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What will happen if people don't trust elections?

They will be one step closer to a realistic understanding of our phony "democracy" in the USA.
For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity, that they may be without excuse. Because knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, and didn’t give thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2022, 05:48:43 AM »
They will be one step closer to a realistic understanding of our phony "democracy" in the USA.

No. That's not what will happen.

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2022, 09:59:03 AM »
What do you think will happen, dogmush? 

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2022, 10:25:11 AM »
I think people will retreat farther into their ideological tribes and continue to ratchet up their justifications for violence against the "others".  The internet and information will continue to bifurcate, and each side will latch on to any evidence that the other side was bad as a true smoking gun, while dismissing anything else as disinformation.

As each side's rhetorical circle jerk increases in velocity people will internalize that our transfer of power is "fixed" or "illegitimate" and use that fixation to justify increasingly disruptive and violent demonstrations, which will eventually (probably not next week, but probably during our lifetime) result in one or more of the armed factions of the federal government seizing control of large parts of the country with violence, and installing whomever the folks with guns want as the "legitimate" leader.

I see zero chance that human nature and US culture will allow any significant number of people to lose faith in a series of elections and conclude that the whole thing was corrupt from before they were born.  Not when they can cleave to their notions of morality and blame the others.

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2022, 02:08:27 PM »
It doesn't matter who you vote for. All that matters is who counts the votes.

So follow that line of reasoning.  If that's true, why should you listen to the edicts of the people elected?  Why, other than an immediate tactical reason, should you allow their agents to enforce a law on you.  Take that one step farther, If it really doesn't matter who you vote for because the vote count is rigged, and men with guns will enforce the edicts of the winners of the rigged vote count, why shouldn't you preemptively take out those men with guns and the illegitimate "winners" before they enforce their edicts? Especially if the illegitimate "winners" are literally killing and enslaving people.


And that kids, is why this doesn't end with people realizing this is a scam, it ends with violence.

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2022, 02:53:21 PM »
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and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government,

We're not quite there yet but things are trending in that direction.
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2022, 02:59:46 PM »
It doesn't matter who you vote for. All that matters is who counts the votes.

I am stealing this for a signature line! How or do you want to be cited?
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2022, 03:07:08 PM »
I am stealing this for a signature line! How or do you want to be cited?

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2022, 03:14:37 PM »
Yup - that was Joe (or it may have been Nikita... I dismember).
 
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2022, 03:46:21 PM »
Found this cite: "I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this—who will count the votes, and how." - Josph Stalin 1923; Boris Bazhanov - The Memoirs of Stalin's Former Secretary (1992)
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2022, 03:55:09 PM »
Like a lot of sayings attributed to famous people no real evidence he actual said it though.
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2022, 06:05:51 PM »
Like a lot of sayings attributed to famous people no real evidence he actual said it though.

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2022, 06:38:04 PM »
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/11/03/wow-sounds-like-theres-some-serious-fkery-going-on-with-the-city-of-milwaukee-election-commission/

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Kimberly Zapata, the deputy director of the City of Milwaukee Election Commission has just been fired for committing election fraud by obtaining fake military ballots and sending them to Assembly Elections Committee chairwoman Janel Brandtjen.

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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2022, 06:49:44 PM »
So follow that line of reasoning.  If that's true, why should you listen to the edicts of the people elected?  Why, other than an immediate tactical reason, should you allow their agents to enforce a law on you.  Take that one step farther, If it really doesn't matter who you vote for because the vote count is rigged, and men with guns will enforce the edicts of the winners of the rigged vote count, why shouldn't you preemptively take out those men with guns and the illegitimate "winners" before they enforce their edicts? Especially if the illegitimate "winners" are literally killing and enslaving people.


And that kids, is why this doesn't end with people realizing this is a scam, it ends with violence.

I already pay no attention to the edicts from Washington.  I'm not sure why *anybody* listens to anything FJB or Kamala says.  But I'm kinda stuck at that step, hoping for a better outcome next time around.
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2022, 07:05:13 PM »
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/11/03/wow-sounds-like-theres-some-serious-fkery-going-on-with-the-city-of-milwaukee-election-commission/

Fired?  Why not arrested?

She will end up facing charges. Apparently, there was a man in Racine that did something similar in order to point out weaknesses in the WI absentee ballot request program. He "requested and received absentee ballots in the names of lawmakers and local officials in July. That man, Harry Wait, said he wanted to expose vulnerabilities in the state's elections system. He has been charged with two misdemeanor counts of election fraud and two felony counts of identity theft — charges that could land him in prison for up to 13 years." CBS

I did a quick search and there are quite a few outlets reporting on this.
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #20 on: November 03, 2022, 09:54:28 PM »
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Re: What will happen if people don't trust elections?
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2022, 08:17:15 AM »
People actually trust elections?

Hillary doesn't trust elections. She's made that very clear to her supporters.

Stacey Abrams doesn't trust elections. She's made that very clear to her supporters.

The Dems are telling us to trust the election process while two (or more) of their most visible party members have spent the last several years.... denying the legitimacy of elections.

Not to mention all of Trump's bullshit.

Wait... it's not that people don't trust elections...

It's that people don't trust politicians.
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