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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: T.O.M. on November 14, 2017, 05:41:47 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/11/14/us/california-tehama-county-shootings/index.html
Nut job on a shooting spree at and around a school in California. Early report of a semiauto rifle and a couple of handguns. Shooter dead after exchanging fire with Leo's. Call for ban in 3..2..1..
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From what I've seen so far, some students were wounded, but not killed. The school was among the places where the guy ran amok.
Such distinctions will be lost, of course.
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Well, it happened in the state with currently (or by January 1st), by far, the most severe gun control laws in the country, so it'll be interesting to see the cries for more gun control.
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Well, it happened in the state with currently (or by January 1st), by far, the most severe gun control laws in the country, so it'll be interesting to see the cries for more gun control.
"Think of how much worse it would have been in Kansas!"
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Imagine if he had a silencer . . .
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It won't matter to the usual suspects, whose answer to every incident involving broken laws is to pass more laws to make illegal actions even more illegal, but it will be interesting for the rest of us to see whether or not laws were broken (other than the obvious issue of shooting people), and whether or not any of the currently-proposed new laws would have made a difference.
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Meanwhile, in Los Angeles: http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-school-shooting-gardena-high-school-injures/story?id=12640474
Student sneaks gun into school in backpack. Gun discharges, apparently by accident. One shot hits a girl in the head and another student in the neck.
Somebody needs to pass a law making it illegal to have guns in schools. And maybe it shouldn't be legal for kids as young as sophomores to be allowed to carry handguns. Yeah, that ought'a do it.
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Not certain how accurate the content is, but heavy.com has a lengthy write-up on the Tehama County killing spree:
http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/kevin-janson-neal-tehama-county-school-shooter/
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http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article184541668.html
Police logs from the Red Bluff Daily News show Janson was arrested in February of this year on Bobcat Lane on charges of “assault with deadly weapon not firearm or force, great bodily injury likely, battery on person, crime against elder or dependent adult, discharge firearm with gross negligence and false imprisonment with violence.” The paper reports bail was set at $160,000.
No info yet on how the perp obtained the firearms.
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Meanwhile, in Los Angeles: http://abcnews.go.com/US/california-school-shooting-gardena-high-school-injures/story?id=12640474
Student sneaks gun into school in backpack. Gun discharges, apparently by accident. One shot hits a girl in the head and another student in the neck.
Somebody needs to pass a law making it illegal to have guns in schools. And maybe it shouldn't be legal for kids as young as sophomores to be allowed to carry handguns. Yeah, that ought'a do it.
Would that be considered a mass shooting?
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Not certain how accurate the content is, but heavy.com has a lengthy write-up on the Tehama County killing spree:
http://heavy.com/news/2017/11/kevin-janson-neal-tehama-county-school-shooter/
and
http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article184541668.html
No info yet on how the perp obtained the firearms.
Report I listened to stated the Feb arrest was for stabbing his neighbor, also a victim of this rampage. So at the very least he should have been on felony charges,and he was under a restraining order making him a prohibited person on at least 2 counts.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that he was also a mental health patient(or damn well should have been)
In a prefect world he would have still been locked up. :mad:
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Would that be considered a mass shooting?
I think the usual definition of a mass shooting is four or more people wounded or killed, so the Loas Angeles incident would not be a mass shooting. The bigger question was whether or not it should be tabulated as a school shooting if it was an "accidental" (negligent) discharge.
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I think the usual definition of a mass shooting is four or more people wounded or killed, so the Loas Angeles incident would not be a mass shooting. The bigger question was whether or not it should be tabulated as a school shooting if it was an "accidental" (negligent) discharge.
I was on a site recently that listed all school shootings in recent memory. If the shooting occurred on school grounds, even when school was out and between two adults it was classified as a school shooting. =|
bob
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Not that it should matter, but he was apparently feuding with his meth making neighbors, according to his mother. One of the neighbors is among the dead.
I have no time or patience for meth heads, but they were his neighbors. He could have just walked next door to get his revenge. Going to the school wouldn't make much sense unless he was going on a general rampage anyway, or else looking to corner his neighbors in a gun free zone.
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Heard his sister being interviewed stating he had a lifetime history of mental illness.
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Heard his sister being interviewed stating he had a lifetime history of mental illness.
But Trump gave all the crazy people guns, you see...
So they haven't released the killer's identity? Anyone know what's going on there?
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Well, this is interesting:
Johnston said the two semi-automatic rifles used in Tuesday’s shooting were “manufactured illegally by him at his home.”
I'll wait for more verification before I bite, given the MSM thinks chainsaw bayonets are a standard option. I'm wondering though, if he just built an AR? Which, sadly, will send the antis on a feeding frenzy in that arena, which I think has been pretty much under the radar up until now.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/15/california-gunmans-wife-found-dead-in-home-authorities-say.html
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A marijuana farmer. Yep, nother crazy right winger. Well, the crazy part for sure. I had to be around him I'd know where my gun was just by looks. Killed his wife too, most likely the night before, so can't even call it honest to goodness craziness if we took a night and then still tried to go shoot random kids. Of course this will be the excuse to go after gun parts and the Jeff sessions excuse to go after wacky weed. And like Vegas, San Bernardino, Pulse, etc. be quickly forgotten because no MAGA hat was found at the scene.
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http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Wife-of-Tehama-County-shooter-found-dead-under-12360039.php
Investigators have recovered two semiautomatic rifles Neal used in the shootings, and said they had been illegally “manufactured” at his house, possibly using mail-order parts. They also recovered two pistols Neal used, and they were not registered to him, Johnston said.
Ben most likely has it right. Perp probably finished an 80% lower, then assembled a rifle from parts.
Straw purchases for the handguns?
Johnston said police had been called to Neal’s house repeatedly in recent months for complaints of shots being fired, but that Neal wouldn’t come to the door.
“At least twice, officers put the house under surveillance,” hoping to catch him leaving so they could question him, but it was unsuccessful, Johnston said.
Neal, he added, was “not law enforcement friendly.”
Someone has a gift for understatement.
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Being "illegally manufactured" in California could possibly mean that he simply installed regular parts on it making it non-California compliant.
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Ben most likely has it right. Perp probably finished an 80% lower, then assembled a rifle from parts.
That was my guess -- 80% receivers. Without fixed magazines, which would technically make them illegal in California, but not under federal law.
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Surprisingly the story isn't front and center on most of the news sites I scan.
I wonder why that is.
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CBS is exploring the "ghost gun" angle. (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ghost-guns-shooting-rancho-tehama-california/)
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Not real much of a ghost if the cops know you have guns, know you aren't supposed to, and don't reconcile those two.
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Not real much of a ghost if the cops know you have guns, know you aren't supposed to, and don't reconcile those two.
That is why I think this one is going to fade away.
Similar to the Texas shooting, we have multiple instances of government failing to enforce existing laws.
Neither of the shooters were legally able to posses guns yet gross negligence and indifference resulted in the deaths of innocent people.
Sadly I doubt anyone will ever be held accountable.
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Thread quasi-necro: the "homemade" firearms apparently did not work well; of the two handguns, one apparently was purchased in North Carolina and the other was registered to the perp's wife:
http://www.redbluffdailynews.com/general-news/20171122/homemade-guns-jammed-during-rancho-tehama-shootings-assistant-sheriff-says
He apparently had two ARs built on 80% lowers. I expect there will be calls to declare 80% receivers as firearms, so manufacturers will start making 75% lowers, or something.
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He apparently had two ARs built on 80% lowers. I expect there will be calls to declare 80% receivers as firearms, so manufacturers will start making 75% lowers, or something.
Meh.
80%, 75%, 50% -- none of that will make a difference. With those cast-your-own resin kits, you basically start from 0%.
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This and the Texas tragedy certainly melted out of the news quickly. I guess the MSM gives thanks to their non denominational gender fluid deity for Al Franken and Roy Moore.