Sears Model-94 .30-30

[Tallpine]

Any one know anything about Winchester Model-94 sold under the Sears label 

Found one online that is local (about 50 miles away).

He is asking $300

[Jamisjockey]

If its anything like its namesake, then its a solid gun.  My win '94 is a beefcake of a carbine.  $300 seems a little steep for the sears one, though. 

[makattak]

If its anything like its namesake, then its a solid gun.  My win '94 is a beefcake of a carbine.  $300 seems a little steep for the sears one, though. 

My thoughts exactly. (Except for the "My win '94" part as I don't have one.)

[Tallpine]

If its anything like its namesake, then its a solid gun.  My win '94 is a beefcake of a carbine.  $300 seems a little steep for the sears one, though. 

What would you offer?  $250?  $200?

As far as I know, they don't make Model 94s anymore, and I hear that the new "Marlingtons" are crap. :(   

I really sorta wanted a 336 instead.  A new one is $450 

In 1972 I could have bought a brand new Winchester .30-30 for $69.95 

[Tuco]

My BlueBook store brand crossover list shows the Sears 94 as a Stevens 237.
No further info on the Stevens 237 at my fingertips.

The Sears 100 - (273.532141)  and Sears 54 - (273.####) series  are listed as Winchester 94NM (new model   ).
"The values for the firearms listed on these pages are approx 15-40% less than the original manufacturer models"

[Tallpine]

Less than what would be the question?

At the gunstore they had an "early 1900s" Model 94 that they wanted $800 for 

No blue left at all, and no finish on the stock.  Would have been just fine except for the price 

[makattak]

Less than what would be the question?

At the gunstore they had an "early 1900s" Model 94 that they wanted $800 for 

No blue left at all, and no finish on the stock.  Would have been just fine except for the price 

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=232100141

Winchester 94. In decent-good condition.

Priced at $329 on gunbroker. Given that there are two hours left and no one has bid on it at that price, I'd say it's still overpriced.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=231187915

Another one in what appears to be perfect condition. Priced at $350. Again, less than a day left and no bids. Probably overpriced.

$250 would be my estimate for the highest value of the sears model.

[Tallpine]

$250 would be my estimate for the highest value of the sears model

Thanks! 

From the pictures, it's not in the best of condition (finish is faded on the stocks - it might have been kept in a pickup window rack).  But that doesn't matter to me as long as the action is good and the bore is not rusted, since I'm looking for a knock-around gun anyway.

If the flood ever subsides, I think I will offer $200 after I look at it.  Right now the county is a disaster area and we can't get to town.

[Chuck Dye]

Less than what would be the question?

At the gunstore they had an "early 1900s" Model 94 that they wanted $800 for 

No blue left at all, and no finish on the stock.  Would have been just fine except for the price 

Yikes!  I can remember a barrel full of such rifles in the gun store in Annandale VA when I was a kid.  They were $15 each.  I would have had to mow three lawns to buy one.

[Matthew Carberry]

Let us not speak of Long Long Ago in The Before Times, when we could have bought trade-in Mdl 13's with only light holster wear for $150 a piece or $100 each if you bought 3 or more.

That way lies madness...

  

[Tuco]

If it is in fact a Winchester Model 94 relabel, look for a machined receiver.

There was a change, post 1964, that went from machined steel receivers to stamped steel.
That's all the details I know.  DYODD.
(See my next post, below for a retraction...)

Machined steel is more desirable, has a reputation of wearing in rather than wearing out, and smoother, in my limited experience of owning and trading off a stamped model 94 and handling and shooting a few machined ones.
(ETA - Those smoothies must've been pre-64s?)

200 is a good fair price.  
If it's machined with a solid bore and honest cosmetic wear, 200 is a really really really good buy, even 250.

[Tallpine]

So how do you obviously tell if it is machined or stamped 

I'm thinking if it is machined I might give him the $300 without blinking 

[Tuco]

Well,, it appears I've spoken out of ignorance.   

A bit of google-fu has revealed my long-term baseless dogma.

The machined receivers went to FORGED and PLATED in 1964, and many previously machined PARTS became stamped.

It's back to the same old Pre-Post '64 Winchester crap. 
Sorry.

How to cross-ref a pre-64 WW serialization with Sears searialization?
I don't know.

[PTK]

I found a Marlin 336 in a local pawnshop for $225, it's in "fair+" condition - wood's dinged, slightly missing finish on the stock in places, dulled bluing. I can get you in touch, if you'd like? :)

[Tallpine]

I found a Marlin 336 in a local pawnshop for $225, it's in "fair+" condition - wood's dinged, slightly missing finish on the stock in places, dulled bluing. I can get you in touch, if you'd like? :)

Hmmm... let me think about that      It's a 30-30 

Looks don't matter as long as it's serviceable.  Whatever I get will get stuck in a saddle scabbard and most of the blue/finish worn off anyway.

This Sears 30-30 is just down the road - literally almost next door in Montana terms.  He corrected himself: he said east of town when he meant west of town. 

But with the ongoing flood, 10 miles might as well be across the ocean because we can't even get to the highway right now.

[Matthew Carberry]

Not even on your trusty gelding?

[Tallpine]

Not even on your trusty gelding?

No - we drove down to look last evening.  It looks like Niagara falls going over what is left of the county road. 

But it hasn't rained for a day now, so we can get out the back way if we have to but it is very rough.

[Chuck Dye]

Let us not speak of Long Long Ago in The Before Times, when we could have bought trade-in Mdl 13's with only light holster wear for $150 a piece or $100 each if you bought 3 or more.

That way lies madness...

  

So I should erase all thoughts of the Ye Olde Hunter ads in the magazines of the day?  And of their warehouse full of guns in the "just a few lawns to mow" price range?  (A kind employee gave a couple of thirteen year old kids a tour-more fun than the Smithsonian!)

[Matthew Carberry]

So I should erase all thoughts of the Ye Olde Hunter ads in the magazines of the day?  And of their warehouse full of guns in the "just a few lawns to mow" price range?  (A kind employee gave a couple of thirteen year old kids a tour-more fun than the Smithsonian!)

Madness I said!

[Jim147]

I have one gun shop that is about an hour and a half round trip. Any of the others I need to make a day trip of it. So an extra charge over the internet average price doesn't worry me much.

You might look for a Winchester serial number chart you can print out. That would tell you what year it was made and then you could go by look and function.

jim

[Tallpine]

I have one gun shop that is about an hour and a half round trip. Any of the others I need to make a day trip of it. So an extra charge over the internet average price doesn't worry me much.

You might look for a Winchester serial number chart you can print out. That would tell you what year it was made and then you could go by look and function.

jim

Yeah, same way here: it is an hour and a half one way to Bilings.

I went back and looked at the picture and it is actually pretty nice.  Good blue that I can see, and the stock is really only faded near the trigger and on the forearm where one would put their hands to shoot.

I think I might offer $250 after I handle it... 

Trouble is that it's about an hours drive over a rough road to get there because the bridge is out, even though it's only about ten miles straight through the hills.

[Tallpine]

Still haven't gotten a chance to meet the guy and look at the rifle.

The weather cleared off for a day or so but I had to catch up on some stuff around here.  Now it is raining again and it's a tough trip with a 4wd to go anywhere.  The main road in/out of our neighborhood may not be fixed for weeks as it is totally washed out and still under water for most of a quarter mile. 

I'm still wondering about the price, considering Winchester doesn't make Model 94s anymore and the new Marlington stuff is crap.   

[mtnbkr]

While out for a bike ride after work, I stopped by a gun shop in Northern VA (fully decked out and with bike by my side no less).  I found an older Winchester 94 in 30-30 (no safeties, bluing mostly intact) for $400 and a slightly newer Marlin 336 (again no safeties, better bluing) in 35Rem for $300.

If you're interested in trying to get one of them transferred to your neck of the woods, I can get you the shop's contact info.

Chris

[Tallpine]

While out for a bike ride after work, I stopped by a gun shop in Northern VA (fully decked out and with bike by my side no less).  I found an older Winchester 94 in 30-30 (no safeties, bluing mostly intact) for $400 and a slightly newer Marlin 336 (again no safeties, better bluing) in 35Rem for $300.

If you're interested in trying to get one of them transferred to your neck of the woods, I can get you the shop's contact info.

Chris

I would have been interested in the Marlin if it were a 30-30.

Nothing wrong with the .35 but I just don't want to stock another caliber.

With the floods and bad roads I haven't been to see the Sears .30-30.  I really wanted a Marlin 336* instead, so I might try to get to town to look at some gun shops. 

* well, actually I wanted a Marlin 1894 in .357 but they are rare and expensive.

[Jim147]

I haven't seen a 35 Rem under $500 around here.

And of course you post this when I'm broke.

jim