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Another cold fusion claim
« on: May 01, 2012, 04:40:25 PM »
Well, not really cold fusion but close enough.

http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2012-04-29/peak-oil-crisis-quantum-fusion-hypothesis

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This new hypothesis, it is not yet a theory, says that It would be possible to use water as the source of all energy that mankind could ever want with no bad or radioactive leftovers -- only helium and heat. Note that Godes says that if the reaction is done properly, the nickel or palladium which are only used as a matrix to hold the hydrogen in one place, are not consumed in the reaction. For those who are skeptical, and I don't blame you for this a lot to comprehend, I recommend Brillouin's web site (www.brillouinenergy.com) where you will find some reasonably comprehensible explanations and videos as to just how all this supposedly works. For those conversant with Bose-Einstein condensates, the Molecular Hamiltonian, Heisenberg confinement energy, and the dense mathematics of nuclear physics there are papers there for you too.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 07:56:47 PM »
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In recent months numerous respected scientists have been reporting at scientific gatherings that they are seeing increasing amounts of heat, which can only be coming from nuclear reactions, during experiments with hydrogen loaded into nickel and palladium under the proper conditions.

Isn't that always the case?  I've just never been able to get my ears to stick out at that angle, which is why I remain a slave to hydrocarbon petrochemicals.  If I were to put the time and effort into being able to assume the correct position I could quite literally live off the sweat of my brow (as well as sell the excess for a tidy profit).

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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 08:06:07 PM »
Where are the papers?  Until I see a respected journal publishing something like this, I'm skeptical at best.  I do have some faith in this field, and know some people who do work in it, but since Pons and Fleischmann, the cold fusion community is looked at as a joke in physics.  However, with definitive proof, I expect that top tier journals would be jumping all over this.  There are only 2 reasons I can think of off the top of my head for which this is not being published: 1)It's classified (obviously not the case, the guy has a website about it), or 2)There is not enough proof. 
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 08:19:31 PM »
What the heck do they think we will do once they use up all the water making energy?
Nobody ever thinks ahead.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 08:24:54 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 01, 2012, 08:19:31 PM
What the heck do they think we will do once they use up all the water making energy?

Bear Grylls, paging Bear Grylls.  Please go to the white courtesy telephone.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 09:47:12 PM »
That's a yellow courtesy phone.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 10:57:23 PM »
Quote from: Warren on May 01, 2012, 09:47:12 PM
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 11:01:55 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 01, 2012, 08:19:31 PM
What the heck do they think we will do once they use up all the water making energy?
Nobody ever thinks ahead.


Use the energy to melt ice.

Short sighted greenie Luddite.  ;/
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2012, 06:09:35 AM »
Oddly enough, I was just watching the 1990's movie THE SAINT (rather underappreciated film crying for a modern remake) and wondering whatever happened to all the cold fusion hype....
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2012, 09:45:29 AM »
Quote from: Doggy Daddy on May 01, 2012, 10:57:23 PM
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 09:58:04 AM »
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The peak oil crisis....

I stopped right there.
I have zero time for any sort of malthusian nonsense.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 01:44:56 PM »
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What the heck do they think we will do once they use up all the water making energy?
Nobody ever thinks ahead.

Peak Water.  You heard it here first, folks!
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2012, 03:58:02 AM »
Quote from: AJ Dual on May 01, 2012, 11:01:55 PM
Use the energy to melt ice.

Short sighted greenie Luddite.  ;/

Is that anything like a nearsighted gynocologist?
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2012, 07:29:01 AM »
It's BS...still has the dead graduate student problem.

Even IF it's based on electron cloud degeneracy, and even IF a B-E like codensate could be achieved at higher temperstures, and even IF the B-E resulted in cloud collapse and fusion, there is still a higher probably of 2 or 3 protons fusing than 4, meaning you would get more deuterium, tritium and helium-3 than helium-4, and since both the deuterium and tritium generate neutrons when they fuse, you still kill all the graduate students.

Lots of IF's, meaning BS, and the same "no radioactivity...that's weird" result that P and F got.

I don't see why these guys always claim p-p fusion (which isn't direct, EVEN IN THE SUN), or claim d-d without neutrons (which isn't possible quantum mechanically).  If you are trying to claim something crazy, at least make it hard to disprove...like p-B11 fusion (no neutrons, just soapy water in, helium out)
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2012, 10:09:40 AM »
Quote from: birdman on May 04, 2012, 07:29:01 AM
It's BS...still has the dead graduate student problem.

Even IF it's based on electron cloud degeneracy, and even IF a B-E like codensate could be achieved at higher temperstures, and even IF the B-E resulted in cloud collapse and fusion, there is still a higher probably of 2 or 3 protons fusing than 4, meaning you would get more deuterium, tritium and helium-3 than helium-4, and since both the deuterium and tritium generate neutrons when they fuse, you still kill all the graduate students.

Lots of IF's, meaning BS, and the same "no radioactivity...that's weird" result that P and F got.

I don't see why these guys always claim p-p fusion (which isn't direct, EVEN IN THE SUN), or claim d-d without neutrons (which isn't possible quantum mechanically).  If you are trying to claim something crazy, at least make it hard to disprove...like p-B11 fusion (no neutrons, just soapy water in, helium out)

I think the neutrons are falling into alternate dimensions.

Somewhere on the flipside, there's a purple planet with a sentient species of furry green cones with five arms, that randomly die of radiation sickness every time someone fires up a cold fusion experiment.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2012, 12:44:00 PM »
I found a picture of a cold fusion researcher...

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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2012, 12:07:40 AM »
Quote from: seeker_two on May 02, 2012, 06:09:35 AM
Oddly enough, I was just watching the 1990's movie THE SAINT (rather underappreciated film crying for a modern remake) and wondering whatever happened to all the cold fusion hype....


Why is it crying for a remake? Val Kilmer was wonderful as Simon Templar, and the female (whose name I don't recall) was spectacularly gorgeous. If they remake it, they'll just ruin it.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2012, 12:29:57 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 05, 2012, 12:07:40 AM
Why is it crying for a remake? Val Kilmer was wonderful as Simon Templar, and the female (whose name I don't recall) was spectacularly gorgeous. If they remake it, they'll just ruin it.

It was a great movie....but Kilmer's character wasn't the real Saint. If you watch the original Saint TV series (the ONLY thing Roger Moore ever did well), Templar is more of a mystery-solving gentleman con artist....not a high-tech, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE-style thief. And Templar isn't the love-sick puppy type, either. Think of a cross b/t REMINGTON STEELE & THE MENTALIST......
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2012, 12:59:13 PM »
Quote from: dm1333 on May 02, 2012, 01:44:56 PM
Peak Water.  You heard it here first, folks!

I used to enjoy a bottled ice tea called "Gold Peak".  Now I worry about the contents.   :facepalm:

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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2012, 07:32:44 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 05, 2012, 12:07:40 AM
Why is it crying for a remake? Val Kilmer was wonderful as Simon Templar, and the female (whose name I don't recall) was spectacularly gorgeous. If they remake it, they'll just ruin it.

That's the problem with most remakes.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2012, 07:34:07 PM »
Quote from: birdman on May 04, 2012, 07:29:01 AM
It's BS...still has the dead graduate student problem.



"But there are no dead graduate students." --Watson

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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2012, 09:09:41 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on May 05, 2012, 07:34:07 PM
"But there are no dead graduate students." --Watson

"Exactly."  --Holmes

It's elementary (particle physics) my dear lee.
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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2012, 02:22:16 AM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on May 04, 2012, 03:58:02 AM
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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2012, 07:04:26 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on May 05, 2012, 12:07:40 AM
Why is it crying for a remake? Val Kilmer was wonderful as Simon Templar, and the female (whose name I don't recall) was spectacularly gorgeous. If they remake it, they'll just ruin it.

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Re: Another cold fusion claim
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2012, 07:29:03 AM »
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