Author Topic: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica  (Read 6028 times)

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2006, 09:05:56 PM »
Cordex,

It is a nice joke. But, the fact remains that I am not the one dressing an under-age teenager in a prostitute's outfits and undressing her everytime there  could be the slightest reason. Watch the movie again and let me know what you see. She is made to exhude sensuality, to a purposefully shocking degree, which would have been great in a girl in her 20s, but is downright perverse and disturbing in a teenager.

As far as the incestuous part is concerned, pay attention to the look of the brother in the movie. Those are not the looks of a devoted sibling, but of an obsessed lover on the verge of a nervious breakdown.

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2006, 09:13:16 PM »
"Forget the shields, why can't they just relax and enjoy the power of Directv?  Starfleet ponied up...."


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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2006, 02:42:02 AM »
I'm lost, pt.  This is a commercial you're referring to?
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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2006, 06:22:28 AM »
Yeah, they edited Shatner into the Bridge of the Enterprise from one of the later movies to talk about how Starfleet just got an "HD viewscreen" and got them DSS satellite service etc...
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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2006, 06:27:59 AM »
This whole thread makes me want a TV again, and not just so I can watch the Simpsons. 
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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #30 on: November 06, 2006, 06:40:35 AM »
This whole thread makes me want a TV again, and not just so I can watch the Simpsons. 
There's a lot of good TV out there.  The History Channel, Discovery, Food Network, and now Sci-Fi are worth what we pay for the entire package.  Nobody said you had to watch the crap on other stations. Smiley 

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #31 on: November 06, 2006, 07:36:37 AM »
Wait.  You pay for television?   shocked
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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2006, 07:44:18 AM »
Wait.  You pay for television?   shocked
Good God!  Why?!

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2006, 07:57:26 AM »
Wait.  You pay for television?   shocked
Good God!  Why?!
Until 6 months ago, I hadn't paid for TV in 8 years.  However, I do greatly enjoy History, Discovery, Food Network, Sci-Fi, and a few programs on a few other stations.  I also enjoy the benefits of the DVR that comes with the package I purchased (such as pausing live tv, better control over how we record shows, etc).  It's worth the money.

You know, you can "pay for tv" without becoming a liberal couch potato. Smiley  You don't have to watch all of it nor do you have to watch it at all if you have better things to do.  I still read, spend time with friends and family, and get plenty exercise.

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #34 on: November 06, 2006, 08:11:51 AM »
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You know, you can "pay for tv" without becoming a liberal couch potato.  smiley
  You can?  huh...

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #35 on: November 06, 2006, 09:16:14 AM »
I loved Firefly/Serenity, but have not yet seen BSG.

How does it compare to Babylon 5?  I liked the way B5 had a much more human-centered plot line than, say Star Trek (even if some of the humans are aliens...if you get my meaning).

I despise all Star Treks save the original.  It could be entitled, "Socialist Authoritarians in Space."
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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #36 on: November 06, 2006, 09:34:30 AM »
BSG has some passing resemblance to B5 in terms of the "intensity" of the interprersonal relationships with the plot. And it's about as non-cheesey in it's design and "look" as B5 was cheesey. Especialy the really dark stuff that happened to some characters.

The fighter combat in BSG is also somewhat similar to B5, they still do atmosperhic "swoopy" movments, but they also throw a bone to true zero-g and vaccuum of space and flip 180* and counterthrust too.

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #37 on: November 06, 2006, 09:48:15 AM »
I like how ships in Firefly are often space-only, non-streamlined constructions, and best of all NO NOISE IN A VACUUM.

I really don't see River as being all that sexy. Every other woman in the crew, heck yeah, but not really River. The one character who makes any mention of her in a sexual way is Jayne, who is being a complete pig as usual.

As far as incest, I don't buy it.

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #38 on: November 06, 2006, 12:56:28 PM »
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I despise all Star Treks save the original.  It could be entitled, "Socialist Authoritarians in Space."

I agree. The Federation's secret name is "Galactic Kumbaya (by Phaser Where Propaganda Fails)". The libertarians formed the Maquee and were promptly outlawed by the Federation, which got to face the mirror nice and good in a series of episodes in DS9. Mackey and especially Eddington were the mouthpieces "Sisco, Nacheev & co." just loved to hate. Others that would stick to self-determination and armed neutrality, e.g. certain Klingons, were ruthlessly ridiculed as gun-toting man-children to be "re-educated".

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Re: Firefly/Serenity vs Battlestar Galactica
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2006, 10:16:38 AM »
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But, the fact remains that I am not the one dressing an under-age teenager in a prostitute's outfits and undressing her everytime there  could be the slightest reason. Watch the movie again and let me know what you see. She is made to exhude sensuality, to a purposefully shocking degree, which would have been great in a girl in her 20s, but is downright perverse and disturbing in a teenager.
River certainly had the warrior princess role, especially in Serenity, but she never made me think "Ooh, sexy little girl!"  If that's what she did for you, I could understand being concerned. 

The only men I saw who were obviously interested in her were Jayne and Badger.  Both of whom were made out to be - as wingnutx said - pigs.

For what it's worth, the actress was 21 when Firefly began filming and 24 when she was in Serenity.  I don't know exactly how old she was supposed to be in the show (I'm thinking 16 or 17 at the start of it) but you'd probably be better off complaining about the overt under-age sexuality of just about any teen-oriented TV show (The OC, One Tree Hill, etc) than trying to find Firefly's "pedophilic tinges."
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As far as the incestuous part is concerned, pay attention to the look of the brother in the movie. Those are not the looks of a devoted sibling, but of an obsessed lover on the verge of a nervious breakdown.
I've never cared for Simon's character, but whatever his feelings about River I never got the obsessed lover vibe.

I still think you're seeing something that's not there.  Firefly is no more incestuous or pedophilic than a Rorschach card is a dirty picture.