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Who do you think is worse, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush.
That is the topic on John Gibson radio show today.
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Ron Paul.
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I think the idiot who asked the question is worse than both of them.
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Aw, Riley, don't I get an honorable mention? Guess I'd better be about more works of evil.
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That's like choosing death by hanging or death by lethal injection.
I'd rather not die, thanks
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Who do you think is worse, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush.
Yes.
Seriously, both are kinda unpopular. Worse, uh... I plead the 1st, 2nd and 5th. Ninth and Tenth for good measure.
The really interesting question would be to ask which one is more out of touch with reality.
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Jon Gibson has a radio show now too? Geez, does every talking head on the TV get a radio show?
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Sorry, but it was John Gibson, not Jon Gibson. I need to proof read better.
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Seriously, both are kinda unpopular. Worse, uh... I plead the 1st, 2nd and 5th. Ninth and Tenth for good measure.
Yeah but both of those guys don't care about the constitution, so your pleads are futile.
Ron Paul is a modern day messiah fisty, don't you forget it
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Let's see. Bush can cause the occasional facepalm with his blank look and fumbled speeches. That's about it.
Imajihad is one of the former Iran embassy terrorists who actively supports the stoning of women and hanging of homosexuals in their public squares, who oversees the smuggling of IEDs to Iraq that are killing our soldiers, who wants a nuclear weapon to use on Israel.
Yeah, that's really tough.
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I'm not a fan of either, but I'd rather live under Jorge Bush than Abijnuiajahahdahajad.
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Not really a fair comparison. Ahmadinejad is only the third or fourth most powerful individual in his state - the Ayatollah is the supreme power (including military/nuclear affairs), and Ahmadetc... is arguably down a peg from the leadership of the Council of Guardians as well (given that they have to approve his candidacy in the first place).
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So is this intended to be another Bush Hate thread?
I agree with the statement above. The idiot who asked the question is worse than both.
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So is this intended to be another Bush Hate thread?
No, it is not a hate Bush thread. It is a "Which members hates Bush" thread so we can ignore them in the future when they say something stupid about President Bush.
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I don't hate him. He's probably a nice guy. But I think he's a failure, and dangerous to liberty. That's all. Feel free to ignore me henceforth.
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Hate is strong, but I've disliked the man for fifteen years, ever since he suckered the city into paying for a new Ballpark that was purely to his profit and has done absolutely nothing for the community. We were going to have a Riverwalk! And all kinds of retail!
But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!
He was born a crook and will die one as well.
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Is this another one of those "vote for the lesser of two evils" paradoxes
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How many homosexuals has Bush lynched?
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wooderson:
We are on the same page of music WRT the taxpayers footing the bill for sports venues. That rubs me raw.
That is nothing, though, compared to the out & out savagery perpetrated by the likes of Amediwhosis.
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Thing is, Ahmadinejad hasn't really perpetrated anything. The guy didn't invent or impose sharia in Iran, nor does he have any kind of role in enforcing it. The man is a belligerent nationalist politician who's made his bones on being a 'proud Iranian' and standing up to America, of course he'll defend anything that goes on. (We were the culture that invented "my country, right or wrong," weren't we?)
His apparent views on social justice are no worse than any of our allies (or enemies) in the region: but I rarely see those complaining about Ablahblahblah talking about the evils of the Kuwaiti rulers, the House of Saud, certain groups of friendly Iraqis, Musharraf, etc. et al. Only difference is, Ablahblahblah isn't feeding us oil, or protecting our access to oil, or pretending to be our friend. At least Ablahblahblah gets to be the most visible backwater reactionary of a (mostly) functioning democracy - our backwater reactionary friends don't bother with that.
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We were the culture that invented "my country, right or wrong," weren't we?
Come again?
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Deniability, and folks hate Republicans enough to want to believe it...
Anyone else see the footage of boom trucks and their cargo?
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Hate is strong, but I've disliked the man for fifteen years, ever since he suckered the city into paying for a new Ballpark that was purely to his profit and has done absolutely nothing for the community. We were going to have a Riverwalk! And all kinds of retail!
But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!
He was born a crook and will die one as well.
You are blaming Bush for that? Why? Blame your freaking local politicians, not Bush. Who voted for it? Talk about misplaced. I guess you are going to blame him for the new football stadium also? Bush only owned like 1.5% of the team. Why are you blaming it all on him anyway?
I guess this is another Bush hate thread.
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Who do you think is worse, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush.
Anyone who thinks you can compare Ahmadinejad with ANY US President in a "who is worse" game needs to have their head examined. Or else go live in Iran for awhile and see where you have things better. Or ask a former Iranian that's now a US citizen.
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How many homosexuals has Bush lynched?
Don't forget this image. Iran, yes. She had an affair.
They buried her so she couldn't move, then threw stones at her till she was dead. There are regulations for the construction of a stoning pit to do this.
Iran is Not Like Us. And Imajihad is an evil, evil man.
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Hate is strong, but I've disliked the man for fifteen years, ever since he suckered the city into paying for a new Ballpark that was purely to his profit and has done absolutely nothing for the community. We were going to have a Riverwalk! And all kinds of retail!
But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!
He was born a crook and will die one as well.
You are blaming Bush for that? Why? Blame your freaking local politicians, not Bush. Who voted for it? Talk about misplaced. I guess you are going to blame him for the new football stadium also? Bush only owned like 1.5% of the team. Why are you blaming it all on him anyway?
I guess this is another Bush hate thread.
At the time Bush probably _was_ their local politician.
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Bush was the managing partner of the team, used his name prestige to get there and wine and dine the locals, and then threatened to leave town without a stadium. He sold it with promises of turning what was, essentially a wasteland bordered by light industrial into a retail/tourist mecca. Once the stadium was built, his ownership group promptly sold the team - none of the promised development materialized.
Said stadium earned him a profit of several thousand percent on his initial investment.
(Oh, and Jerry Jones can take a long walk off a short pier as well - at least I got to vote against that particular folly.)
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Iran is Not Like Us. And Imajihad is an evil, evil man.
[snort]Yeah, shovel dude is just another freedom-loving American on the inside.[/snort]
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The apologists for the "Iranian Culture" need to actually experience it.
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
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The apologists for the "Iranian Culture" need to actually experience it.
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
Bullshit. How many Iranians have you known? I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen. They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now. If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution. That's how we 'win'.
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So you are saying that you approve of the stonings and hangings, as long as it's just them doing it to themselves?
I'm sorry, but I cannot condone that.
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I didn't vote for either of the SOBs.
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The apologists for the "Iranian Culture" need to actually experience it.
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
Bullshit. How many Iranians have you known? I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen. They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now. If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution. That's how we 'win'.
I've met a couple of younger Iranians. Decent enough folks in general. They're not happy with the theocracy, and want to push for reforms. More than a few are pessemistic about short term reforms, but they did point out, the Old Guard has to die out eventually.
They did meantion one thing. There is one easy way to unify the entire country, invade or attack it. I don't claim to be an expert, but I gathered it was their way of saying "Invading our country would cause everyone, even us reform minded people, to unite to defeat any invasion."
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Same here, at least until it's a year or so until an election...
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It depends on one's viewpoint.
If one aspires to live in a world free from terror and raw hate and threat of war, one recognizes Ahmedinejad as a brigand and bully. President Bush can be reasonably criticised for some things, like not vetoing more spending bills and such, but he's no where in the rotten league of Ahmedinejad.
On the other hand, if one is a moonbat liberal who has the goal of turning the U. S. into a Socialist Worker's Paradise - and the most heinous crime of all is "EWR" - Elected While Republican - then President Bush is far worse than Ahmedinejad. After all, President Bush has actually moved the nation away from some of the Socialist goals achieved under President Clinton.
Like I said, viewpoint.
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How many homosexuals has Bush lynched?
Don't forget this image. Iran, yes. She had an affair.
Wrong.
Not Iran. A dutch movie.
The wingnuts aren't very creative, and don't check their facts. You should.
The woman is actress Smadar Monsinos, a dutch actress. She's alive and well.
Here's a more legitimate picture of a stoning in Iran:
It's stills from someone's cellphone camera movie. If I remember correctly, she was one of those gay people that Iran doesn't have.
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If I remember correctly, she was one of those gay people that Iran doesn't have.
Perhaps that's why they don't have them.
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But hey, it's just those brown people, and it's there culture, so we should just let them do whatever they want. In fact, we should let them come over here, and do the same. After all, they want to. They'll be happy to go through our universities for us.
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Pretty sure I read that the latter images are of a woman from Iraq.
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http://www.middle-east-online.com/English/?id=20600
She was Yazidi, who are ethnic Kurds. Don't I always hear about what wonderful, pro-American, not-at-all-like-those-other-Muslims people the Kurds are?
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One thing our intellectuals who hate this country so much seem to forget is that pretty much the first people who are eliminated from a repressive society, such as Iran, are the intellectuals...
Wooderson - you'd last maybe a day in that country before their version of a SWAT team, complete with crotch-eatin' K-9 attack goats (Muffy, Fluffy, Puffy, and Mistress of the Great Satan - you -do not- wanna piss that she-devil of a deranged goat off...), would drag you crying and wetting yourself into the street...
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In Iran, the repressive elements (the clergy) are the intellectuals. Much like the Catholic Church of our history. Oh, the crazy workings of God.
I don't even know what that last bit is supposed to mean. Iran is Iran - no worse than our allies in the region, better than many, certainly nothing like a society I would choose to patronize with my tourism or support.
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How many Iranians have you known? I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen. They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now. If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution.
Dead right. I've known a bunch as well, and every last one pro-western and pro-freedom.
The theocrat minority took over Iran in the '70s in the same way that Lenin took over Russia in the '10s: by exploiting a power vacuum in desperate times. In Iran's case, the desperate times were partly due to our support of the Shah for the previous twenty years, which is why anti-American sentiment ran so high at the time.
The best way to support the moderate forces in Iran, though, is to back off. If, for example, we armed them through the CIA and encouraged them to stage a coup, we would discredit them as American puppets rather than genuine pro-freedom Iranians.
--Len.
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Howzabout we just have a nice meeting with Mr. Worst Dressed, and explain the facts of life to him. With his successor present.
Then, when he doesn't play nice, we have the same meeting with his successor, with his successor present.
What are we paying the CIA for anyway? I want guys in trenchcoats with silenced .380s wandering the streets of Istanbul...
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Howzabout we just have a nice meeting with Mr. Worst Dressed, and explain the facts of life to him. With his successor present.
I prefer waiting for someone to aggress, or threaten imminent aggression, before I kill him. That goes for my next-door neighbor as well as Ahmedinejad and everyone else. I don't kill people because I don't like the cut of their jib, or because they fail to tremble before me or obey my mighty will.
When they actually commit or threaten actual harm to persons and property, they become fair game.
--Len.
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Who do you think is worse, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush.
Worse at what?
Causing death? Curtailing my freedoms? Speaking in public? Having the 'nads to go into an enemy's land and speak at one of it's universities? At being a comedian?
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I had a choice between President Bush and a Democrat for 2 elections in a row.
Yes, I voted for Bush both times and I would do it again. After all, many people think a Republican in the office of the president is better than a Democrat.
On the other hand, many Democrats think a Democrat in the office of the president is better than a Republican.
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Yes, I voted for Bush both times and I would do it again. After all, many people think a Republican in the office of the president is better than a Democrat.
You might be surprised how many Republicans think we'd have been better off without Bush. I thought Clinton was everything but the antichrist himself. Believe me, it's no pleasure to admit that Bush is much worse than Clinton was. He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.
--Len.
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He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.
I admit Bush spent more than Clinton. As I remember it, Clinton would have spent far more if the Republican Congress and Senate had passed many of the bills that was presented to them.
My own beliefs is that the Congress and Senate are more important than the president. They make laws and the president can sign them or veto them. If vetoed, they can be over ridden.
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He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.
I admit Bush spent more than Clinton. As I remember it, Clinton would have spent far more if the Republican Congress and Senate had passed many of the bills that was presented to them.
Hopefully it bothers everyone that Bush was able to spend so much money with a Republican congress.
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I admit Bush spent more than Clinton. As I remember it, Clinton would have spent far more if the Republican Congress and Senate had passed many of the bills that was presented to them.
Agreed. I imagine Clinton was crying in his beer over that, too. "Dayum! If only ah'd run as a Republicun, ah coulda spent trillions while the 'conservatives' applauded! Ah'm in the wrong party!"
--Len.
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Hopefully it bothers everyone that Bush was able to spend so much money with a Republican congress.
That is why the Dems got in power in 06.
Now they seem to be trying to out spend Bush.
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Well, folks, keep in mind that the Democrats would rather have Charlie Manson in the White House over +any+ Republican...
I don't think the rift can be healed. I think we're gonna be in for a world of hurt in a few years. One side covers ass, and the other side tries to sell it out. Sad.
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There we agree, Bogie. No matter who gets elected, we're pretty much screwed.
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Well, folks, keep in mind that the Democrats would rather have Charlie Manson in the White House over +any+ Republican...
Unlike Republicans, who would never cling to a tax-n-spend liberal guilty of waging aggressive war just because he sticks an (R) after his name...
There's only one solution. Surround DC and make everyone come out with their hands up.
--Len.
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Unlike Republicans, who would never cling to a tax-n-spend liberal guilty of waging aggressive war just because he sticks an (R) after his name...
There's only one solution. Surround DC and make everyone come out with their hands up.
--Len.
Out of all the caterwauling in this thread (mine included) this makes the most sense.
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Sorry, one correction. The hands need to be tied before they step out, or you'll find them instinctively reaching into your pockets...
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She was Yazidi, who are ethnic Kurds. Don't I always hear about what wonderful, pro-American, not-at-all-like-those-other-Muslims people the Kurds are?
I personally wouldn't identify Dasni/Yazidi as Kurds near any group of Kurds. Or near Yazidi themselves. Seeing as how the Yazidi worship the peacock angel, which more than a few other religions identify as Satan, Shaitan, the Devil, etc. The Turks and the Kurds tried to wipe them out repeatedly, due to the alleged satanic nature of their religion. In either case, all parties in the area consider Yazidi not Kurd.
They are however generally extremely pro-American. Mostly due to the fact that we are not conducting ethnic cleansing on them. But they're also known for their secrecy, so who knows. Best to leave them alone, even if I do disagree with their endogamy and caste system. By the standards of modern Iraq, they're virtually saints.
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Having the 'nads to go into an enemy's land and speak at one of it's universities?
Do any of you really think it took courage for that Iranian guy to come to the US and speak? You know he has been to the UN before right? When was the last time the US messed with a foreign dignitary while in the US? There is no courage there.
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Yeah, but the average goat-herder is gonna think otherwise... These folks think of what THEY would do... If Bush visited Iraq, by golly, they'd kill him. So they assume that we're too weak to kill Mr. Worst Dressed...
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So the posters on this site are the average goat herder? I don't care what they think, someone posted this earlier. I know damn well that Iranian dude wasn't afraid to come here and speak. His people might not know the difference, but I know he does.
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Bush is not a dictator as some would like you think. These guys are showing what real tyranny is.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article2577636.ece
Thousands of protesters and monks missing in secret gulag of the generals
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Iran's more notorious religious culture is no worse than other Old Testament stuff. And looking at some of the posted photos I am reminded of fake testimony by the Kuwaiti ambassador's daughter before Congress over Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, deceptive reporting and photography in Yugoslavia, and many other falsehoods peddled to instill enough wrath for war going back decades and more.
Iran is of no threat to the United States. Of far greater threat are those who are actively selling our country out and destroying it from the inside. I have just posted on another thread on that very topic; George Bush should get a medal for that. Maybe his fraternal pals can invent one for him.
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One thing our intellectuals who hate this country so much seem to forget is that pretty much the first people who are eliminated from a repressive society, such as Iran, are the intellectuals...
Wooderson - you'd last maybe a day in that country before their version of a SWAT team, complete with crotch-eatin' K-9 attack goats (Muffy, Fluffy, Puffy, and Mistress of the Great Satan - you -do not- wanna piss that she-devil of a deranged goat off...), would drag you crying and wetting yourself into the street...
Minus the personal attack, I agree completely. The least appreciative of America are the heaviest users of American privileges as well as the first to go against the wall if their favorite dictators/ideologies win.
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Ah, yes, clearly my favorite "dictator/ideology" is Iranian Islamic democracy - since, you know, I'm an atheist who's been known to argue that plural marriages are no big deal.
Some of y'all are funny.
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Ah, yes, clearly my favorite "dictator/ideology" is Iranian Islamic democracy - since, you know, I'm an atheist who's been known to argue that plural marriages are no big deal.
Some of y'all are funny.
It seems you self-identified with my comment. Please explain why. Do you consider yourself an America-hating intellectual?
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Probably the part where you 'agreed with everything' in a post addressed to me?
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Probably the part where you 'agreed with everything' in a post addressed to me?
You missed the "minus personal attack"?
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The entire thing appears to be addressed to my statements.