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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2011, 12:15:31 PM »
We got lucky. Kim Jong Il was only 69. We could have had 20 more years of the guy.

The Kim Jong Un is a cipher, at least to me. Reports on him vary from "dilettantish", even more in love with Western luxuries than his father was, to "even worse than dad". I don't think anyone even knew he existed until about a year ago.  [tinfoil]

I think the #1 issue affecting the longevity of the Norks is China's interests in preventing a flood of refugees, or some sort of instability that sucks them in and drains manpower/money to stabilize things. China obviously loved North Korea at one point, because they sucked up a lot of time and energy and attention of the U.S. and Allies. Now, one gets the sense that the North is barely worth the trouble, or has already exceeded that point, save for the reasons of saving face...

I also suspect that China has kept one eye on the Norks as a Trojan Horse for the past decade or so. Weighing the might of a unified Korea that competes with China against the benefits of bankrupting the South with reunification. Think German reunification, only 100x worse in terms of social, humanitarian, and infrastructure costs.

Japan would also benefit massively from reunification, in both the removal of the North as a threat, and the South as a competitor. (For instance, Samsung or LG could outright buy Sony, with liquid cash on hand...)

Let's see, Kim Il Sung, then Kim Jong Il, then Kim Jong Un..........I guess the son doesn't have a license to Il.  :lol:

(some of you may be too old or young to get that one)

Most of us are old enough to know our Beastie Boys. He'll, I'd have thought it was the opposite... too old.  :laugh:

There's rumors of anti-Jong Un graffiti in some remote North Korean towns, but any info as to how this news would get out so quickly, or at all, is far-fetched. The further speculation being that it's a toe in the water for a military coup by a cabal of generals or an intelligence service, thinking no civilian would have the guts to do so. I personally think it' just rumor at this point.
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2011, 12:44:55 PM »
We give lots of money, food, and other aid to a wide variety of shi**ty countries. Why?  Hell if I know.
If I had the resources to trace it, I strongly suspect I'd find things like kickbacks, under-the-table payoffs, campaign contributions from the suppliers of the food & other things, etc., flowing to "select" politicians who are more than willing to sell out this country if they can make a few bucks.  :mad:
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2011, 01:16:59 PM »
If I had the resources to trace it, I strongly suspect I'd find things like kickbacks, under-the-table payoffs, campaign contributions from the suppliers of the food & other things, etc., flowing to "select" politicians who are more than willing to sell out this country if they can make a few bucks.  :mad:

Another reason a Ron Paul presidency, even IF his Foreign-this..., or 9-11 truther-that... criticisms were actually 100% true and fair may well leave us more secure in the long run.

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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2011, 01:28:52 PM »
Ha! I was watching "Team America, F*** YEAH", the part where Kim Jong Il was singing the "I'm so 'ronry' " song when I heard the news yesterday. Kind of surreal.
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2011, 03:48:05 PM »
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/133760/

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...Josh Trevino’s tweet of the year: “I’d like to think God let Havel and Hitchens pick the third.”
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2011, 08:43:59 PM »


"End of quote.  Repeat the line."
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2011, 01:06:06 PM »
One day his prince will come ...

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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2011, 07:32:48 PM »
Dick in a box?
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2011, 07:34:33 PM »
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2011, 07:51:22 PM »
MOLON LABE   "Through ignorance of what is good and what is bad, the life of men is greatly perplexed." ~~ Cicero

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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2011, 10:44:44 PM »
Impressed yet befogged, they grasped at his vivid leading phrases, seeing only their surface meaning, and missing the deeper current of his thought.

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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #36 on: December 22, 2011, 06:46:56 PM »




Is that duct tape on the corner, holding the display case together?
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2011, 09:28:08 PM »
Carter sent a condolences letter to Kim Jong Il's son  :facepalm:
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2011, 09:47:15 PM »
That picture looks strangely familiar...  except with the probable NorK quality they screwed up both the box and the embalming so he might get a bit smelly.

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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2011, 11:19:00 PM »
Carter sent a condolences letter to Kim Jong Il's son  :facepalm:

You're kidding.  Tell me Carter isn't that big of a boob. ???
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #40 on: December 22, 2011, 11:54:36 PM »
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Holy hell. It's like giving a loaded gun to a chimpanzee...

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the last thing you need is rabies. You're already angry enough as it is.

OTOH, there wouldn't be a tweeker left in Georgia...

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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2011, 12:05:22 AM »
You think I would joke about this *expletive deleted*?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/22/carter-sends-condolence-letter-to-kim-jong-ils-son-north-korean-media-say/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077854/Kim-Jong-Il-dead-Now-Jimmy-Carter-sends-condolences-Kim-Jong-Un.html


I'm just waiting for Obama to bow and apologize to Kim Jong Un...

My apologies.   I didn't mean to suggest you would joke about it, only that Jimmy Carter IS a joke. ;)
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2011, 12:09:29 AM »
I'm not offended in any way, man.

Trust me, I feel the exact same way about Uncle Jimmah...bless his heart, he has never met a dictator he didn't like.



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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #43 on: December 23, 2011, 01:37:07 AM »
Carter sent a condolences letter to Kim Jong Il's son  :facepalm:

So, like the South Korean government?
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #44 on: December 23, 2011, 08:12:03 AM »
Carter sent a condolences letter to Kim Jong Il's son  :facepalm:

Not unexpected....nor would a condolence sent from the President or Secretary of State....


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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #45 on: December 23, 2011, 08:36:57 AM »
One day his prince will come ...



NORK ceremonial rifles have folding (and folded) stocks?
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2011, 09:28:35 AM »
I wonder if any of those Soldiers would have the balls to shoot him if he became a zombie?
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Re: Kim Jong Il Dead
« Reply #47 on: December 23, 2011, 09:58:03 AM »
NORK ceremonial rifles have folding (and folded) stocks?

They're so much more advanced than capitalist nations, you see.
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