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Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« on: March 17, 2018, 07:04:45 PM »
Over my dead body. From my cold, dead hands. This means war. Death to tyrants.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/17/experts-call-for-a-sin-tax-on-meat-just-like-cigarettes-poor-hardest-hit/
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2018, 07:40:41 PM »
Quote from: Ben on March 17, 2018, 07:04:45 PM
Over my dead body. From my cold, dead hands. This means war. Death to tyrants.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/03/17/experts-call-for-a-sin-tax-on-meat-just-like-cigarettes-poor-hardest-hit/

I’m all for it. Those special taxes on tobacco and liquor shouldn’t even be constitutional. Taxes should affect everybody more or less equally or not be legal. Maybe now people will start to see that.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2018, 07:43:03 PM »
I'll continue to grow my own. I've got about 600# of pork on the hoof heading to butcher on Monday.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2018, 08:15:11 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2018, 07:43:03 PM
I'll continue to grow my own. I've got about 600# of pork on the hoof heading to butcher on Monday.


Prohibition II: Farmageddon

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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2018, 08:23:58 PM »
Much more of this nonsense and Star Chambers will not only start making sense but will be fun to watch.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2018, 08:33:36 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2018, 07:43:03 PM
I'll continue to grow my own. I've got about 600# of pork on the hoof heading to butcher on Monday.


Growing your own food is certainly a gateway drug to despising any and all government. I don't smoke and I've often pondered growing a few tobacco plants just because I can.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2018, 08:37:21 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2018, 07:43:03 PM
I'll continue to grow my own. I've got about 600# of pork on the hoof heading to butcher on Monday.


Enjoy it while it's legal.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2018, 10:10:15 PM »
Quote from: dogmush on March 17, 2018, 08:37:21 PM
Enjoy it while it's legal.

Around here telling people they can't produce their own food would be a good way to kick off the revolution.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2018, 11:28:16 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2018, 10:10:15 PM
Around here telling people they can't produce their own food would be a good way to kick off the revolution.


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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2018, 11:53:00 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 17, 2018, 10:10:15 PM
Around here telling people they can't produce their own food would be a good way to kick off the revolution.

I remember that several decades ago, at least one politician actually proposed outlawing backyard gardens, on the grounds that people growing their own food hurt farmers.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2018, 11:57:24 PM »
Wickard v. Filburn.
Farmer grows "extra" wheat for personal use, runs afould of commerce clause.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2012/07/05/156232075/the-farmer-and-the-commerce-clause
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2018, 05:36:09 AM »
I'm a vegetarian, practically vegan except for cheese & a lack of preachiness, and even I think such a tax would be wrong.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2018, 08:44:40 AM »
The article is pretty interesting.   [popcorn]
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2018, 06:24:53 PM »
Quote from: French G. on March 17, 2018, 08:33:36 PM
Growing your own food is certainly a gateway drug to despising any and all government. I don't smoke and I've often pondered growing a few tobacco plants just because I can.

They can be quite pretty, and relatively low-maintenance if you have the right soil and climate.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2018, 06:37:34 PM »
It's the proper curing that is the tough part.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2018, 07:06:20 PM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 18, 2018, 06:37:34 PM
It's the proper curing that is the tough part.

Right.  In some ways, perique was easier than others once I got a good press made.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2018, 07:18:56 PM »
Quote from: LadySmith on March 18, 2018, 05:36:09 AM
I'm a vegetarian, practically vegan except for cheese & a lack of preachiness, and even I think such a tax would be wrong.

In a quick skim of the article, it doens't appear to mention vegetarian or vegan.  The reasoning is all about global warming when you get right down to it.  

I notice you don't hear any of these people talking about restricting food stamp/welfare purchase of unhealthy foods.  
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2018, 07:21:06 PM »
Quote from: HankB on March 17, 2018, 11:53:00 PM
I remember that several decades ago, at least one politician actually proposed outlawing backyard gardens, on the grounds that people growing their own food hurt farmers.
The National Recovery Act was part of Roosevelt's New Deal.  At least I think that was the one that had people going onto farms and killing livestock and destroying crops.  It was declared unconstitutional I believe. 
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2018, 08:51:37 PM »
Quote from: KD5NRH on March 18, 2018, 06:24:53 PM
They can be quite pretty, and relatively low-maintenance if you have the right soil and climate.

I was pretty much under the impression that tobacco plants looked like cabbage or something.  Maybe I should try growing a few.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2018, 09:02:47 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on March 18, 2018, 07:21:06 PM
The National Recovery Act was part of Roosevelt's New Deal.  At least I think that was the one that had people going onto farms and killing livestock and destroying crops.  It was declared unconstitutional I believe. 

Was that when they would destroy milk trucks?
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2018, 09:04:49 PM »
Quote from: freakazoid on March 18, 2018, 09:02:47 PM
Was that when they would destroy milk trucks?
I don't know.  I just remember seeing NRA posters in the history book and it wasn't the National Rifle Association.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2018, 12:09:13 AM »
They can have my steak after it passes through my digestive system.
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Re: Tax Meat Like We Tax Cigarettes
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2018, 11:22:47 AM »
Quote from: dm1333 on March 18, 2018, 08:51:37 PM
I was pretty much under the impression that tobacco plants looked like cabbage or something.  Maybe I should try growing a few.

It's easily dwarfed, both by breeding and by close spacing.  With 24" spacing, I was getting 6-7' tall plants with leaves as big as 12x24".

Flowers range from white to pink or purple, depending on breed.  Leaves will be anywhere from dark green to a light yellow-green.  They will yellow and then may go deep brown and still supple (which some growers will smoke or chew directly from the plant - it's not bad, but won't keep past a day or two without curing) or dry out and rot depending on environment.

This grower has some insect damage, but if you're not using the leaves, you can spray with whatever to prevent that.
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