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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Monkeyleg on November 29, 2010, 12:43:52 AM
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As most here have no doubt read (and read and read and read), Sarah Palin accidentally referred to North Korea rather than South Korea as our ally in one sentence in an interview on Glen Beck's show. It was a normal slip of the tongue, and she corrected the mistake right away.
No matter. The MSM were all over it.
On her Facebook page, she shot back at the media with an amalgam of Obama blunders. It certainly does the job. You can read it here (http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/a-thanksgiving-message-to-all-57-states/463364218434).
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yeah, I was watching when she made the slip, & didn't think anything of it.
Hard to believe the zeal in which they go after her-freaking amazing.
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First, you assume that she even wrote the Facebook post herself. Many stars/celebrities/politicians use writers to take care of that.
Second, even if it is her....she says stupid *expletive deleted*it all the time. She's only more polished when she has time to research the answer.
I agree that Obama did exactly the same thing, over and over again, and got a free pass. But it doesn't diminish the fact that Palin quite often has no idea what she is talking about.
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But it doesn't diminish the fact that Palin quite often has no idea what she is talking about.
Maybe so, but I draw your attention to how Palin dealt with the media and compare that with how a Bull RINO, none other than His Majesty Senator Trent Lott, responded to criticism of his public utterances regarding Strom Thurmond. Palin shoved it right back into the media's face. Lott sniveled simpered, groveled and it did him no good.
Palin may well be unelectable, an assessment I share, but I've seen only one other politician match her ability to simply bypass establishment media and communicate directly with Joe and Martha Sixpack and that would be Ronald Reagan. At the end of the day that one ability may be the reason for the spread Palin Derangement Syndrome.
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Ah, but Ronnie knew what he was talking about. I still think Palin is in over her head if she goes after the Oval office.
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JamisJockey, I've been listening to what Palin has been saying since the 2008 elections, just to gauge whether she's making progress or not. She's becoming more fluent on the issues. I'm not saying she's ready now to step into office but, by 2012, she could be well-versed enough on the issues that even you would consider supporting her.
Well, maybe. ;)
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If she got the nomination somehow, I'd certainly pull the lever for her. And I agree, much of the "airhead" is just typical leftist-MSM fabrication. And the point that her abortive governor's career was more executive experience than a "community organizer's" and a legislator who voted "present" more than anything else is not lost on me.
I'd still prefer she not be POTUS though.
Despite the reasoning, quitting the AK governorship does not bode well with me. I reject the premise being the constant malicious ethics complaints, money, and legal hassles. Some who have unquestioning love for her say that the POTUS has much more legal immunity and won't be an issue. However, they're missing the point.
The point is that it's often called "The hardest job in the world". And it does not matter in my mind where the hassle and the stress comes from. Whether the real reasons were money for books and speaking, or a political calculation to not miss out on time raising her national presence, the point is with me, she folded.
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I'd rather see her as head of the national GOP and a replacement for Michael Steele than POTUS or VPOTUS.
I give most politicians a pass (heck, I'd even give Biden one) for a slight mixup between NK/SK, about as well as I give them a pass for a mixup between two States that neighbor each other. Especially if they correct themselves within a handful of seconds right away, and the blunder was made while actually talking and dialoging rather than reading from TOTUS.
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I too like the idea as her as the head of the GOP.
It would certainly give her great status as a political bullet-magnet for the left's ire. I thought of mentioning it, but I just don't see her being able to do the job living bi-costal, or even just leaving AK to do it.
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. . . Despite the reasoning, quitting the AK governorship does not bode well with me.
I'd rather see her as head of the national GOP and a replacement for Michael Steele than POTUS or VPOTUS.
I find I generally agree with both statements. Six months from now, if she's "IN" and Steele is "OUT" . . . it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him become a Democrat functionary.
As far as potential GOP Presidential contenders for the 2012 election, I see there's some speculation that John Bolton is considering a run for the office. We could do far worse. (Look at the current POTUS . . . we already have done far worse. =( )
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John Bolton would be a sharp man to put up there, but would he make a better Sec of State at this point?
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First, you assume that she even wrote the Facebook post herself. Many stars/celebrities/politicians use writers to take care of that.
Second, even if it is her....she says stupid *expletive deleted* all the time. She's only more polished when she has time to research the answer.
I agree that Obama did exactly the same thing, over and over again, and got a free pass. But it doesn't diminish the fact that Palin quite often has no idea what she is talking about.
If you want to be completely honest though, you have to admit that just about every politician is that way and many of them make much more serious gaffs than Palin has on a regular basis. Houston's own Sheila Jackson Lee is a prime example. Joe Biden is another.
I guess I look at it this way. If I or some other regular guy was put in the spot light with the media out to get me, they could probably make me look like an idiot a-hole in the minds of some people pretty easily. I tend to overlook a lot of things with some politicians simply because I hate that someone has to groom their entire childhood and young adult life toward politics so they can maintain a spotless record and be endlessly informed. I would much rather trust a regular guy who is honest than someone who has the personal ambition to steer their entire life toward running for office.
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You know, I had a bit of an epiphany this morning as I was reading this: I think I might have figured out at least part of the left's Palin Derangement Syndrome.
They're terrified. Bugnuts, crapping their pants, scared to death terrified. Of what you might ask? They're scared that she might become the first female POTUS. While they're scared of her policies, her positions, her ideas, what really frightens the crap outta them is the fact that if she becomes the first female POTUS, that position is lost to them. Not of a female POTUS, but of the FIRST female POTUS. It's a status thing. They genuinely believe that the first female POTUS should be a properly trained liberal feminist type. An "empowered" woman who got there by standing up to mysogynists and conservatives and doing it all in the name of womanly power. And they're afraid that Sarah Palin might just take that away from them.
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I find I generally agree with both statements. Six months from now, if she's "IN" and Steele is "OUT" . . . it wouldn't surprise me at all to see him become a Democrat functionary.
As far as potential GOP Presidential contenders for the 2012 election, I see there's some speculation that John Bolton is considering a run for the office. We could do far worse. (Look at the current POTUS . . . we already have done far worse. =( )
I agree with all this. I really Like Sarah Palin and the way she draws the line and fights back instead of whimpering apologies. Especially calling out the criticizers on stuff like the Korea thing with all the dumb stuff Obama has said (also most being simple misstatements, which if you're on the record all day, anyone is going to make). I just don't think that given her baggage, a WH bid is in order. I may change my mind in a year.
I also really like John Bolton. I would be happy to see him in any Republican Administration roll in 2012.
I don't like any of the "main" Republican contenders for the 2012 White House bid. Romney? Huckabee? Really? That's the best we can do? I would much rather see Jindal or Christie (I know his view on the 2nd needs work) out there.
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Ah, but Ronnie knew what he was talking about. I still think Palin is in over her head if she goes after the Oval office.
The biggest difference to me is that Ronnie had several years as a Governor under his belt instead of just a couple. However, didn't everyone say Ronnie didn't know what he was talking about and that he was stupid and everyone told him what to do?
I think if you look back at all the Republican leaders that were labeled "conservative", just about every one of them from Ronnie on were criticized as stupid in one way or another. I think it is just a common theme the left uses. They certainly trotted out that theme as fast as they could once she was chosen as the VP candidate.
I would vote for her if she made it to the election, but she needs to show she can overcome the negatives against her as well as the resigning thing. I personally think she could beat Obama, but I'm not sure about others.
All that said, I am not so sure the next Republican POTUS candidate will be one of the big names thrown about right now.
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Well, the so called smart guys, who always have an enlightened answer or actually a convaluted non answer to any question, have been elected to every office we have, including POTUS. A cursory look at the record put together by the smart guys, and the condition we've allowed America to be in because of them, wants me to support anybody but a smart guy for public office. How could it be any worse to hire someone like Mrs. Palin who at least has a vision for America closer to what the founders wanted than hiring one who either on purpose or by accident or in ignorance believes in the principals of Karl Marx?
Bill Buckley said it best: "I'd rather be governed by the first 1000 people in the Boston phone book than by the Dons of Harvard University." I'll second that.
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The biggest difference to me is that Ronnie had several years as a Governor under his belt instead of just a couple. However, didn't everyone say Ronnie didn't know what he was talking about and that he was stupid and everyone told him what to do?
I think if you look back at all the Republican leaders that were labeled "conservative", just about every one of them from Ronnie on were criticized as stupid in one way or another. I think it is just a common theme the left uses. They certainly trotted out that theme as fast as they could once she was chosen as the VP candidate.
I would vote for her if she made it to the election, but she needs to show she can overcome the negatives against her as well as the resigning thing. I personally think she could beat Obama, but I'm not sure about others.
All that said, I am not so sure the next Republican POTUS candidate will be one of the big names thrown about right now.
My point is that I've yet to hear a clip of Ronnie saying something so stupid.
As for Palin, I'm not even sure that she has ambitions to the WH. She's becoming a king maker for the (R) party, and that can be a very powerful position to be in without being the King.
Oh, and I think Ambluancedriver hit the nail with his assessment of the lefts hatred of her.
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You know, I had a bit of an epiphany this morning as I was reading this: I think I might have figured out at least part of the left's Palin Derangement Syndrome.
PDS is not necessarily limited to the left.
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My point is that I've yet to hear a clip of Ronnie saying something so stupid.
Every word ever said wasn't being recorded 30 years ago.
I'm not saying he did missay something, but given that humans are prone to make mis-statements at times, I'm willing to be he did.
Edit: Found one:
"We are trying to get unemployment to go up, and I think we're going to succeed"
That's of the same cloth as this Palin misspeak.
http://www.slipups.com/items/6451.html
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Nice find.
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I remember a big "misstatement" that Reagan made.
It was 1985 and Bruce Springsteen had just released "Born in the USA". Reagan tried to score some points with younger people by saying, "America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside your hearts; it rests in the message of hope in songs so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen. And helping you make those dreams come true is what this job of mine is all about."
It was actually George Will who misread Springsteen's politics, and pushed the idea of Reagan commenting on the album. But Reagan came off looking like a fool.
As for Palin, she corrected her misstatement quickly.
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I too like the idea as her as the head of the GOP.
It would certainly give her great status as a political bullet-magnet for the left's ire. I thought of mentioning it, but I just don't see her being able to do the job living bi-costal, or even just leaving AK to do it.
i say it's time we move all fedgov offices(and the sticking UN[things stink less when there cold. >:D]) too AK.
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Isn't it funny (and sad), that every thread about Palin turns into the same old argument about her intelligence, and wether she should/could/will be President? I think at this point, she needs to declare against a presidential run, just to clear the field for better candidates.
I agree that Obama did exactly the same thing, over and over again, and got a free pass. But it doesn't diminish the fact that Palin quite often has no idea what she is talking about.
Please tell me you're not taking this North/South Korea mistake as anything other than a slip of the tongue.
Despite the reasoning, quitting the AK governorship does not bode well with me. I reject the premise being the constant malicious ethics complaints, money, and legal hassles. Some who have unquestioning love for her say that the POTUS has much more legal immunity and won't be an issue. However, they're missing the point.
The point is that it's often called "The hardest job in the world". And it does not matter in my mind where the hassle and the stress comes from. Whether the real reasons were money for books and speaking, or a political calculation to not miss out on time raising her national presence, the point is with me, she folded.
Too many people have this silly hang-up about quitting things. Why? Why would Palin remain in Alaska, when she has more important matters to attend to, on the national level? What sense would it have made to stay there?
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Palin lost me with the We're on a mission from god speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs).
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Palin lost me with the We're on a mission from god speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H-btXPfhGs).
That says much about you that is sad.
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That says much about you that is sad.
Like what? That we don't need to turn Iraq into a holy war?
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We'd be damned lucky to have Palin as a candidate in 2012. Or Jindal. Or DeMint. For her faults, she's still pretty good.
Unfortunately, we are almost surely going to get another worthless RINO. Mark my words...
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Like what? That we don't need to turn Iraq into a holy war?
1. You are unaware of the tradition in American politics to call on God's help in trying times.
2. You either didn't care to listen to the whole deal in context (roughly 10 minutes of video) because the 20 sec snippet confirmed and made you comfortable in your prejudices...
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...did view the entire video and willfully misinterpreted her in that her point was not, "wage holy war in Iraq" but more in line with the following:
“Sir, my concern is not whether God is on our side; my greatest concern is to be on God's side, for God is always right”
3. You are unaware that even apolitical churches pray for our country and leaders. Some with mainline protestant restraint and rectitude, others with more exuberance and emotion.
Like I wrote, sad. Sad because of historical and/or cultural ignorance as well as lack of charity toward a (pre-VPOTUS candidate) mother whose son had enlisted and was headed toward Iraq.
[Points #1 and #3 give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are ignorant, rather than cognizant and spiteful.]
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Congratulations. Every single one of your assumptions is wrong. Welcome to my ignore list.
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Congratulations. Every single one of your assumptions is wrong. Welcome to my ignore list.
Yes, it seems I was wrong to extend the benefit of the doubt.
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In before the lock...oops.
Chris