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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Perd Hapley on October 04, 2017, 06:13:09 PM
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/catalonia-expected-to-move-to-declare-independence-from-spain-on-monday/ar-AAsSYVu?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Catalonia will move on Monday to declare independence from Spain after holding a banned referendum, pushing the European Union nation towards a rupture that threatens the foundations of its young democracy.
Alright, which one of you broke Spain?
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/catalonia-expected-to-move-to-declare-independence-from-spain-on-monday/ar-AAsSYVu?OCID=ansmsnnews11
Alright, which one of you broke Spain?
You are trying to say it wasn’t your fault? Doesn’t that break APS? What’s next Dogs and Cats living together?
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Maturin finally pulled it off :cool:
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^^^
Not surprised, he's a deep old file.
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Do we get to re-fight the War of Jenkins Ear ?? (Oops, that was part of the War of Austrian Succession)
Can we defenestrate a couple of governors and their secretary ?? (Ooops, that was the kick-off to the Thirty Years War)
Does this mean that Spain gets back: the Spanish Netherlands, the Kingdom of Naples, the Duchy of Milan and Sardinia; the Kingdom of Sicily; and Gibraltar??
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No, but we will give them the California territory to ease the sting.
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No, but we will give them the California territory to ease the sting.
NOW yer talkin' my language!
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Quibble: The country seceding is "Catalonia", not Spain.
This is the War of Catalan Secession. We don't call ours "The British Revolution" do we?
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My daughter wrote this. It was republished by Newsweek.
https://fee.org/articles/spain-should-let-catalonia-vote/
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Quibble: The country seceding is "Catalonia", not Spain.
This is the War of Catalan Secession. We don't call ours "The British Revolution" do we?
Face. Palm.
It's word-play. I assume you're familiar with the historical reference.
The secession movement in Catalonia is happening in Spain, as Catalonia is currently part of Spain. So I'm comfortable calling it a "Spanish secession," in the same way that I'm comfortable with calling the war between the U.S. and the C.S.A. a "civil war."
:P
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Quibble: The country seceding is "Catalonia", not Spain.
This is the War of Catalan Secession. We don't call ours "The British Revolution" do we?
Only if Catalan wins. ;)
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How were the Russians involved?
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Would someone kindly sum up what the issues are - why Catalonia is now pushing so hard for secession?
Taxes?
EU dictates?
Historic mistreatment - conquest, reconquest, annexation, occupation?
The reasons seem to be conspicuously absent from the news reports I've seen, and Wikipedia makes its history sound no more messy than much of the rest of Europe.
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Would someone kindly sum up what the issues are - why Catalonia is now pushing so hard for secession?
Taxes?
EU dictates?
Historic mistreatment - conquest, reconquest, annexation, occupation?
The reasons seem to be conspicuously absent from the news reports I've seen, and Wikipedia makes its history sound no more messy than much of the rest of Europe.
One reason I heard was that Catalonia supports much of the rest of Spain financially. Then there's a multitude of historical grievances, including the suppression of their native tongue, general oppression aimed against them during the Franco era which they still hold grudges about, and probably many others I did not catch while reading.
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This must be giving the Basques some ideas.
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One reason I heard was that Catalonia supports much of the rest of Spain financially. Then there's a multitude of historical grievances, including the suppression of their native tongue, general oppression aimed against them during the Franco era which they still hold grudges about, and probably many others I did not catch while reading.
Those are what I have been reading as well.
Additionally, I think there is a general sense of discontent in the world, evidenced by Brexit and Trump's election, with the increasing "globalization" and suppression of national identities. The Catalans are part of this Zeitgeist.
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Would someone kindly sum up what the issues are - why Catalonia is now pushing so hard for secession?
Slavery and States Rights...
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... and a tax on tea.
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Remember the Alamo!
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No, but we will give them the California territory to ease the sting.
And Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, inter alia.
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Remember Jenkin's Ear!!!
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No one said Remember the Maine?
History illiterates...
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I forgot all about the Maine. And the Alamo. And Jenkin's Ear. I even forgot the 5th of the November, the gunpowder treason and plot.
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The Alamo was Mexico. Mexico won independence from Spain in 1821.
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This must be giving the Basques some ideas.
That's what I was thinking.
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The Alamo was Mexico. Mexico won independence from Spain in 1821.
So the Mexicans wanted states' rights and slavery, too?
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^^^
Not surprised, he's a deep old file.
:cool:
I'd have been really depressed if no one else got it. Bunch of illiterates.
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:cool:
I'd have been really depressed if no one else got it. Bunch of illiterates.
I'll admit that the movie is what introduced me to the books.
Managed to read through the entire series in about a year. Kind of bummed it ended the way it did.
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I'll admit that the movie is what introduced me to the books.
Managed to read through the entire series in about a year. Kind of bummed it ended the way it did.
Same here, saw the movie and was hooked by the books. Wish O'Brien would've lived a few more years, but he was pretty much running out of Napoleonic war era timeline near the end.
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Same here, saw the movie and was hooked by the books. Wish O'Brien would've lived a few more years, but he was pretty much running out of Napoleonic war era timeline near the end.
I haven't read these, but the time period is the same, so they may interest you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpe_(novel_series)
They were also adapted for the screen (or the small screen, anyway).
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So the Mexicans wanted states' rights and slavery, too?
No, Mexico wanted its Texas land to stay Mexican.
Mexico abolished slavery in 1829, by the way, but granted the Texas territories an extension until 1830.
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I haven't read these, but the time period is the same, so they may interest you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpe_(novel_series)
They were also adapted for the screen (or the small screen, anyway).
They're good light reading, and fun. I enjoy most of Cornwell's stuff. Thanks for mentioning though.
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No, Mexico wanted its Texas land to stay Mexican.
Mexico abolished slavery in 1829, by the way, but granted the Texas territories an extension until 1830.
Was joke.
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Was joke.
Was teachable moment.
I dropped some history on you!
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Don't drop the history! You might break it.
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Don't drop the history! You might break it.
Might as well enjoy it and break it while we can. The SJWs are doing their best to toss all history into the dustbin anyway.
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Might as well enjoy it and break it while we can. The SJWs are doing their best to toss all history into the dustbin anyway.
Exactly. Did you know that Donald Trump and all of the other Republicans were the only slave owners in the United States?
And that they fought the Civil War to destroy the Affordable Care Act?
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The following was sent to me by a friend from college days:
I have BREAKING NEWS for all those that want to erase American history during the day or in the dead of night:
- If you take down every statue in the United States, slavery and the American Civil War will still have happened.
- If you have minimum wage skills now, taking down statues won't change that.
- If you're up to your ass in college loan debt, taking down statues won't change that.
- The nation will still be $20,000,000,000,000 in debt.
- North Korea will still be run by a lunatic who wants you dead.
- Radical Islamists will still want you dead.
- People who hate you now, will still hate you, perhaps even more.
- Soros, Obama and the Clintons will still be sleazy and corrupt and you'll still be just a puppet for them.
- The Department of Education will still not have educated anyone.
- There will still be only two genders.....like it or not.
- Hillary will still not have won the 2016 election.
- Bernie will still be a communist charlatan.
- There will still be opposing views outside your safe spaces....try hiding in a closet forever.
- You'll still be accountable for your own choices, and the world will still owe you nothing.
- Taking down all the statues will still not change the fact that Communism has been responsible for more slavery and death than the Confederacy ever was and that it was Democrats who fought to keep slavery while Republicans fought to stop it...Yes you are really dumb.
- The removal of statues won't change the fact that the first slave owner was a black man.
So, if you have a problem with a statue of Robert E.. Lee in Virginia, but no issues with a statue of Vladimir Lenin in Seattle, we'll erect a monument to your cowardice and depict a huddled mass of frightened and drooling idiots who can't find their asses with both hands and a map.
Oh, and Donald J. Trump will STILL BE PRESIDENT!
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Who was "the first slave owner"?
And that list should have included that nothing they do will kill white supremacy (which is already dead), but if they keep this up, they might manage to revive it.