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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #175 on: January 02, 2013, 04:53:58 PM »
I saw the big boost in 1911 sales as IPSC got going hot and heavy, and that was way before the '94 Ban.

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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #176 on: January 02, 2013, 04:58:35 PM »
1911 "fad"? I don't know of many fads that have lasted 107 years.

Most cops hated automatics up until the 3rd gen S&W's and 1st gen Glocks came out in the 80's.  Government .45's included.

1911's weren't carried by many folks until they became flashy bling BBQ gun status symbols in the mid 90's.  The CCW movement revived them due to the thin profile and excellent trigger, and since firearms research was essentially a dead-end from a financial perspective (Can't innovate due to AWB and mag capacity restrictions), 1911 gunsmithing was the big high-dollar industry to jump into.

I remember being in Tacoma WA for college in 1996 to 2000, and TPD switched from Berettas to Kimber 1911's.  It was a big deal.  Here's a news article on it:

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/review/Tacoma_ProCarry.htm

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We’re the first major police department to transition to the 1911 in 50 years,” said Sgt. Mark Jenkins, the department’s range master and an instrumental player in the selection of the new guns.

Sgt Jenkins did about a year of research when tackling this issue... if some other major PD had chosen the 1911, he would have known about it.  Kimber has been milking the TPD choice for a decade or more now, off-and-on, in their marketing.  

PD's that issue service guns to officers typically don't choose the 1911 (with the exception of SWAT/HRT units).

I think Tacoma got:
1. A sweetheart deal from Kimber that made 1911's available to them for the price of Glocks and Sigs
2. Extra armorer training from Kimber, and already had a rangemaster/armorer that had a fetish for the 1911
3. A selection committee that got sucked into the regular guy 1911 propaganda in the wake of the AWB.

Otherwise, you'd have more PD's out there between 1950 and 2000 that issued 1911's.
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #177 on: January 02, 2013, 05:36:36 PM »
I think the AWB created the 1911 mystique.  When limited to 10rds or less, the 1911 ain't that bad.  Except for its inherent need to be fine tuned on the feed/extraction stroke to work with anything but ball. 

I take out my dad's Sig, or my XD's, or my Beretta, or my CZ, or the Glock 21 I used to have, or my friend's Glocks, or even my brother's Smith SD... it'll run hollowpoints.  Or flatnose bullets.

But... my Charles Daly 1911.  Or my Sig GSR 1911.  Or my Colt 1991.  Or my Colt XSE LW Commander.  Or my dad's Kimber 9mm.  All of 'em required extractor tension tuning (and the GSR never ran right due to frame geometry defects).  They'll run for several thousand rounds, and then loosen up slowly again.  And then they'll start slowly failing with hollowpoints or flatnosed bullets again.
Weird.  I've run a variety of Colts and Kimbers without ever running into this problem using ball, a variety of hollow points, truncated cone or SWC.  I'm warming up to several other designs, but I've never had a problem with 1911s in this regard.
Frankly, if there is a new ban, I'd love to see a new cartridge come out in the G21/XD45 sized wunderpistol offerings... a 250 to 300 gr .475 diameter at 800fps.  Call it the .475 PoliSlayer, or Liberator, or the .475 Declaration, or something equally menacing.  Design it to fit the G20/G21 mag well with 10rds fitting it naturally, just barely. 
That would be cool, but probably would have to end up being a weak sauce cartridge that existed only to make the magazines available.

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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #178 on: January 02, 2013, 06:46:21 PM »
I'm not any kind of a 1911 expert by any possible stretch of the imagination. I've got 3 1911s A Kimber Custom II a Rock Island FS and a Rock Island compact. None of them have ever given me any trouble as to feeding ball HP or cast rn bullets. Any issues I've had have been magazine related. The factory magazine that came with the FS Rock Island doesn't like to feed my chosen SD HP load. Other than that I've had no problems with the dozen or so Kimber 7 rd mags I use.
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #179 on: January 02, 2013, 06:46:56 PM »
Oh, my. The dreaded 1911 vs. Glock topic.

Up next: .45 vs. 9 mm.

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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #180 on: January 02, 2013, 06:50:22 PM »
Oh, my. The dreaded 1911 vs. Glock topic.

Up next: .45 vs. 9 mm.
How about we just call it even and go with a 9mm 1911?  [popcorn]
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #181 on: January 02, 2013, 06:57:47 PM »
Short barrel 44mag unless your undies have lace on the hem.

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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #182 on: January 02, 2013, 07:01:47 PM »
Short barrel 44mag unless your undies have lace on the hem.

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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #183 on: January 02, 2013, 07:14:57 PM »

Frankly, if there is a new ban, I'd love to see a new cartridge come out in the G21/XD45 sized wunderpistol offerings... a 250 to 300 gr .475 diameter at 800fps.  Call it the .475 PoliSlayer, or Liberator, or the .475 Declaration, or something equally menacing.  Design it to fit the G20/G21 mag well with 10rds fitting it naturally, just barely.  
Isn't that new wish list cartridge basically the 50 GI?
http://www.guncrafterindustries.com/50gi-chp.shtml
Okay, maybe that doesn't go heavy enough for you.
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #184 on: January 02, 2013, 07:48:37 PM »
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How about we just call it even and go with a 9mm 1911?

Ooh, ooh!  How about the .45 GAP?!?!?!?!   Wundercartridge extraordinaire!   :rofl:
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #185 on: January 02, 2013, 07:55:02 PM »
Short barrel 44mag unless your undies have lace on the hem.

Chris

I doubt I'd have much problem with a short barrel 44 mag, and my undies do happen to have lace on them.
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #186 on: January 02, 2013, 09:23:45 PM »
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #187 on: January 02, 2013, 10:41:57 PM »
I doubt I'd have much problem with a short barrel 44 mag, and my undies do happen to have lace on them.

Do tell us more......about the  .44Mag, of course....
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #188 on: January 02, 2013, 11:47:50 PM »
Do tell us more......about the  .44Mag, of course....

Just don't go into the long barrel versus short barrel debate.   :lol:

Anyone here have the Glock 10mm or 50GI?  AZredhawks idea of a large caliber has me thinking.  I was thinking the 50AE might fit that description also. 
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #189 on: January 03, 2013, 12:57:28 AM »
...my undies do happen to have lace on them.

Oh, behave!


Most cops hated automatics up until the 3rd gen S&W's and 1st gen Glocks came out in the 80's.  Government .45's included....

PD's that issue service guns to officers typically don't choose the 1911 (with the exception of SWAT/HRT units)....

Otherwise, you'd have more PD's out there between 1950 and 2000 that issued 1911's.

If the 1911 "fad" was begun by the high-cap ban, which didn't affect cops, why are you talking about what police carry? And what does 1950 have to do with it? And doesn't the use of 1911s by SWAT units militate against your point? Are SWAT units deliberately choosing mediocre guns, or could it have something to do with SWAT units having the training/mindset to not be freaked out by a cocked hammer? (Which indicates a problem with police, not the gun they're not using.)


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1911's weren't carried by many folks until they became flashy bling BBQ gun status symbols in the mid 90's.

How do you know that, and don't you think you're failing to take into account that most private citizens carrying a gun before the '90s wouldn't be talking about what they are carrying?
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #190 on: January 03, 2013, 01:08:36 AM »
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It is very distracting for me to help Amanda try on holsters, particularly iwb

Shes always wearing something sexy.


Usually when I'm at full staff in a gun store it's because of the GUNS
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #192 on: January 03, 2013, 05:34:07 AM »
Side note


It is very distracting for me to help Amanda try on holsters, particularly iwb

Shes always wearing something sexy.


Usually when I'm at full staff in a gun store it's because of the GUNS

Anything we can do to help?..... ;)
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #193 on: January 03, 2013, 08:20:14 AM »
Side note


It is very distracting for me to help Amanda try on holsters, particularly iwb

Shes always wearing something sexy.


Usually when I'm at full staff in a gun store it's because of the GUNS

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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
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That's not her face...

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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
« Reply #198 on: January 03, 2013, 12:50:35 PM »
2.78 million NICS in December.  =)


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/02/us-usa-guns-record-idUSBRE9010H020130102

I suppose some of those are used guns, but how many do you suppose were new AR-15 types  ???  =|
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Re: Any signs of a new run on gun purchases yet?
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