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Title: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Jocassee on August 06, 2009, 09:09:20 AM
This is a rumour I have seen popping up a couple of places in the InterTubez, namely that NeoNazis and White Power types are showing up at conservo-libertarian events. Of course the rumour is self-feeding, because once liberal hear it it reinforces the stereotype they have of conservo-liberatarians who are stridently anti-socialist.

The latest manifestation seems to be Nancy Pelosi, whom I suspect saw a Gadsden flag and mistook it for a Swastika.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...kas
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So I want to know. Those of you who have gone to these events, have you seen any of these types? Furthermore, if you do see them, what would you do to get rid of the fascist basterds?

Furthermore it would not surprise me if the folks who DID show up openly displaying hate symbols are merely agents provocateurs there to steal camera time from the precious business of protecting liberty.

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edited, misspelled swastikas
Title: Re: Swasitkas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: RoadKingLarry on August 06, 2009, 09:14:18 AM
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that it dem "operatives" showing up with the swastikas.
Title: Re: Swasitkas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: HankB on August 06, 2009, 09:35:13 AM
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that it dem "operatives" showing up with the swastikas.
Why not? After all, nazis are "National Socialists."

Several months ago, one of the comics in the newspaper ran a panel in which a guy decked out in Klan robes was holding up a sign that read "WILL ENDORSE YOUR OPPONENT FOR MONEY."

So this sort of thing is not a new idea.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if democRAT operatives were planning to disrupt & discredit these grass-roots protests by sending in some agents provocateur.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Boomhauer on August 06, 2009, 10:35:44 AM
Not at the tea parties and protests around here...they'd probably be shot. We had a lot of vets at the rally, so you can imagine how well somebody with a swastika would go. And I don't think the cops would be too quick in their response, even though we were at the courthouse, beside the PD and the SD.



Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: charby on August 06, 2009, 10:45:54 AM
Not at the tea parties and protests around here...they'd probably be shot. We had a lot of vets at the rally, so you can imagine how well somebody with a swastika would go. And I don't think the cops would be too quick in their response, even though we were at the courthouse, beside the PD and the SD.





Same here, or at least get the crap beat out of them literally.

Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: longeyes on August 06, 2009, 11:26:32 AM
Sounds like the old, time-honored leftist tactic: accuse them of what you are.

Which side has the "velvet glove?"
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Jamisjockey on August 06, 2009, 12:59:04 PM
Sounds like the old, time-honored leftist tactic: accuse them of what you are.

Which side has the "velvet glove?"


Close.  The tactic is to actually attack the argument with accusations of things that are considered bad.
Don't like healthcare reform? You must want to see poor people die.
Want voters to actually prove who they are? Racisit!
Etc etc.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 06, 2009, 01:16:27 PM
I've not seen any swastikas at any of these sorts of events.  I really, really doubt they'd be welcome there.  I suspect the rumors of swastikas are entirely fabricated.

I wouldn't put it past groups like Acorn to pose as neonazis and attend these events, with the media alerted ahead of time for maximum affect.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: longeyes on August 06, 2009, 01:20:15 PM
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Close.  The tactic is to actually attack the argument with accusations of things that are considered bad.
Don't like healthcare reform? You must want to see poor people die.
Want voters to actually prove who they are? Racisit!
Etc etc.

Sorry, I disagree.  It goes beyond that.  The Left is fascist, which is why they are so ready to accuse the other side of that.  If we keep ascribing well-meaningness to the people in power, we will defeat our own cause, which I presume remains liberty.  The fact is they will do anything to win.  Anything.
Title: UPDATE
Post by: Jocassee on August 06, 2009, 01:24:46 PM
Some people are suggesting that the swastikas seen (if any) are supposedly people accusing the Dems of being Nazis.

Still a pretty stupid thing to do IMO.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Standing Wolf on August 06, 2009, 02:46:19 PM
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The Left is fascist, which is why they are so ready to accuse the other side of that.  If we keep ascribing well-meaningness to the people in power, we will defeat our own cause, which I presume remains liberty.  The fact is they will do anything to win.  Anything.

Amen mostly.

All fascists were and are leftist extremists. Not all leftist extremists were or are fascists. Fascism, in short, is a subset of leftist extremism.

That saidâ„¢, a fatal parasite is a fatal parasite is a fatal parasite.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Harold Tuttle on August 06, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
when their agenda chain can be yanked with a simple swastika,
expect swastikas

We had a bunch of "hate speech" swatikas sprayed on Black churches in Monkey County MD

was it real neo nazis or the drunk high school goons?

twas the goons
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 06, 2009, 05:01:20 PM
I've seen blacks and Sikhs at Tea Parties, but no swastikas.

Still, it's perfectly understandable that white power goons would show up at events that are seen as anti-Obama.  We can kick them out, once we see them, but that won't stop them from unfurling their freak flag long enough to get in the news. 
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: longeyes on August 08, 2009, 10:07:28 AM
I think we are at a point where most of the people who are "in rebellion" really no longer care what the mainstream media and the leftists organs have to say about what they think, say, and do.  The MSM has been unmasked as fakes, fraud, and liars, guilty on a daily basis of misinformation and outright disinformation.  There are now two media worlds, just as there are "two Americas."  (And this is why you can still expect the Obama admin to crack down on talk radio and, if they can, the internet too.)
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Ben on August 08, 2009, 11:01:00 AM
Okay, I've been watching this in the news for a few days now, and not even MSNBC can come up with proof of swastikas at the events. All the images I've seen are of people holding up signs with swastikas that have a red circle and slash through them stating, "no to fascism", i.e., anti-swastika signs.

Unlike the MANY protest signs I saw from anti-Bush rallies where every other protester carried a sign with a swastika and "Bush=Hitler" written on it. Where was Pelosi back then?
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: DittoHead on August 08, 2009, 11:30:10 AM
the swastikas seen (if any) are supposedly people accusing the Dems of being Nazis.
This was my understanding from the beginning. Why would Nazis hold a rally at health care event?
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Desertdog on August 11, 2009, 02:47:29 PM
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the swastikas seen (if any) are supposedly people accusing the Dems of being Nazis.

IF there was one swastika at one of these meetings it would have been photographed from every angle by all of Obama's media outlets, and Obama's media outlets would be broadcasting the photos 24 hours a day, 7days a week.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Harold Tuttle on August 11, 2009, 02:54:11 PM
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.11alive.com%2Fgenthumb%2Fgenthumb.ashx%3Fe%3D3%26amp%3Bh%3D240%26amp%3Bw%3D320%26amp%3Bi%3D%2Fassetpool%2Fimages%2F090811114626_swastika_320_081109.jpg&hash=0c9b5dd9957b91fde645539fb65bd9f2bdb16500)

http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=133691&catid=40

Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: makattak on August 11, 2009, 02:58:08 PM
The sad thing is that my first reaction is that his supporters put it on there to drum up sympathy.

I have absolutely no trust in the "good intentions" of those pushing this crap.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: MicroBalrog on August 11, 2009, 03:01:34 PM
I bet you it's just some kids vandalizing stuff.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: CNYCacher on August 11, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
Every time I see "Agent Provacateur" I am reminded of this:

NSFW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdu8ex9JnRo NSFW
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: 209 on August 12, 2009, 11:24:16 AM
Every time I see "Agent Provacateur" I am reminded of this:

NSFW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdu8ex9JnRo NSFW

I show that to my wife all the time.  I keep telling her that the local bar has different settings on the bull for females.  Their 10 isn't a real man's ten.  She usually uses a slap on the back of my head to disagree.   :laugh:

But back on track.  I think it's highly likely we could see some seeded protesters who will make the conservatives look bad.  Of course, any protest brings out the fringe (from both sides), so it's only a matter of time before someone with a different message will use it as forum.  It doesn't have to be a liberal doing it.  It may be a person who identifies with the message and thinks his message furthers the cause.  There are loonies on both sides of the spectrum.
Title: Re: Swastikas at Obamacare Protests, Tea Parties
Post by: Jamisjockey on August 12, 2009, 12:06:39 PM
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http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=133691&catid=40



Remember the McCain chick that scratched her face and blamed it on a black Obama supporter....?????

Jis sayin'......