Armed Polite Society

Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: just Warren on February 05, 2018, 06:46:38 PM

Title: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: just Warren on February 05, 2018, 06:46:38 PM
You don't need tax-funded, government supplied cops. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5346699/First-private-police-force-caught-400-criminals.html)

Services such as this plus insurance investigators, private investigators, bounty hunters and an armed, can-do populace will take care of any security or investigative needs a society might need.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: Angel Eyes on February 05, 2018, 08:09:55 PM
Private police forces are nothing new in the U.S.  Railroads have had them for decades.

http://www.therailroadpolice.com/



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Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 05, 2018, 09:02:46 PM
Private police forces are nothing new in the U.S.  Railroads have had them for decades.

http://www.therailroadpolice.com/



(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/564aaf85e4b082c51d83be79/t/58e1a0c72e69cfd46ac584d0/1491181769153/?format=1000w)


AMTRAK has a police force. Considering Amtrak's status, though, I don't know whether or not to classify them as government.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 05, 2018, 09:25:39 PM
On one hand I'm all for private sector innovation. On the other I'm leery of "policing for profit" operations.
 
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: MechAg94 on February 05, 2018, 09:42:27 PM
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But critics fear the rise of private policing could lead to a two-tier system where only the wealthy get protection from criminals.

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Yeah, that is what happens when you let the Govt take away your right to bear arms, self defense, and defense of property. 
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: charby on February 05, 2018, 09:51:44 PM
You don't need tax-funded, government supplied cops. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5346699/First-private-police-force-caught-400-criminals.html)

Services such as this plus insurance investigators, private investigators, bounty hunters and an armed, can-do populace will take care of any security or investigative needs a society might need.

I believe if you remove items like police and regulators, you are going to have the spend the same amount of money (if not more) expanding the court system to allow for all the new lawsuits to be processed in a timely manor.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: just Warren on February 05, 2018, 10:20:01 PM
Private police forces are nothing new in the U.S.  Railroads have had them for decades.

http://www.therailroadpolice.com/


Note: Completely useless information upcoming:

I've only seen RR cops twice in my life. The most recent they were sitting in their car between the tracks and a building. Don't know why.

The first time there were two of them looking intently at the device that lowers the arm to block the track, and then one of them turned and used his arm as a pointer as if something came from that-a-way. They both eyeballed me as I drove past, which was fair as I was doing the same to them. 

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Racking my brain I cannot recall a single TV series based around RR cops. Not that Hollywood would do it right but they don't seem to have ever tried.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: just Warren on February 05, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
I believe if you remove items like police and regulators, you are going to have the spend the same amount of money (if not more) expanding the court system to allow for all the new lawsuits to be processed in a timely manor.

There's only one way to find out!
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: castle key on February 05, 2018, 10:41:14 PM
On one hand I'm all for private sector innovation. On the other I'm leery of "policing for profit" operations.

But post conviction, the defendant can be incarcerated in a for profit jail. Corrections Corporation of America.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 05, 2018, 11:08:26 PM
But post conviction, the defendant can be incarcerated in a for profit jail. Corrections Corporation of America.

Many states are already using that model. Ask Pennsylvania how it worked out with reformatories ...
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 06, 2018, 01:41:44 AM
But post conviction, the defendant can be incarcerated in a for profit jail. Corrections Corporation of America.

Separate topic. I don't like the concept of "For profit" jails either. Way too much added opportunity for corruption.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: 230RN on February 06, 2018, 02:49:07 AM
On one hand I'm all for private sector innovation. On the other I'm leery of "policing for profit" operations.
 

For sure. Imagine a "private" equivalent of the RICO Act.

And part of a governmental compensation package for the commissioned police officer is the prospect of a reasonably generous retirement allotment.  Yes, it's only $x once a month every month, but it's also $y once a month every month in your old age and dotage.

Terry

REF (This article does not address RICO abuses):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racketeer_Influenced_and_Corrupt_Organizations_Act#Application_of_RICO_laws
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: Perd Hapley on February 06, 2018, 08:53:40 AM
I believe if you remove items like police and regulators, you are going to have the spend the same amount of money (if not more) expanding the court system to allow for all the new lawsuits to be processed in a timely manor.


My very favorite Brit-com.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: charby on February 06, 2018, 10:22:31 AM

My very favorite Brit-com.

...any my common grammar mistake. Timely manner is what I meant.  =)
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: just Warren on February 06, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
Well now you're under arrest and will be sent off to a privately run grammar jail.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: Brad Johnson on February 06, 2018, 11:07:32 AM
Well, now you're under arrest and will be sent off to a privately-run grammar jail.

 =D

Brad
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: 230RN on February 06, 2018, 01:41:32 PM
Well now you're under arrest and will be sent off to a privately run grammar jail.

Spellcheck is your worst enema.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: Fly320s on February 06, 2018, 02:54:02 PM
I'm a little fuzzy on the concept.  How do private police enforce public laws?  From where do the police derive their authority?
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: charby on February 06, 2018, 03:07:55 PM
I'm a little fuzzy on the concept.  How do private police enforce public laws?  From where do the police derive their authority?

I see it like the traffic cameras. You are charged a civil penalty for speeding or running a red light but it doesn't go on your driving record.

Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: Hawkmoon on February 06, 2018, 03:29:38 PM
I see it like the traffic cameras. You are charged a civil penalty for speeding or running a red light but it doesn't go on your driving record.


So with private police, if you rob a bank and get caught you pay a fine but you don't go to prison and it doesn't make you a felon (as in prohibited person)? Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: charby on February 06, 2018, 03:55:51 PM
So with private police, if you rob a bank and get caught you pay a fine but you don't go to prison and it doesn't make you a felon (as in prohibited person)? Maybe it's not such a bad idea after all.

Pretty much, unless you have a system to hold the private police accountable to enforce the laws, courts still prosecute. Then you will need to government employee regulators to hold the private police to those standards.
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: dogmush on February 06, 2018, 05:49:19 PM
I'm a little fuzzy on the concept.  How do private police enforce public laws?  From where do the police derive their authority?

Same place public cops do. They have guns.

They grab you and drag you in front of a judge for trial. If you refuse, they shoot you.


(Only sorta kidding)
Title: Re: I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
Post by: Blakenzy on February 06, 2018, 07:26:07 PM
Once a Government or State cannot protect people and property it ceases to have a reason to exist. Why should you continue to pay taxes to them   ???

I would just pay the private policeman to keep the taxman away from my door, yanowatimeen?