Post by: Jamisjockey on March 09, 2008, 05:11:50 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on March 09, 2008, 05:19:52 AM
Did anyone hear Hillary's soundbyte hinting at Veepdom? Several talking heads were saying they think that either one will offer the other the Veep spot. Unfortunately that makes them an unbeatable combination......
No, I think that actually makes them a lot more beatable.
People do not want Obama because he's a socialist. People HATE Hillary. That'd mobilize all Republicans like a freaking Pearl Harbor.
Post by: seeker_two on March 09, 2008, 05:38:00 AM
Did anyone hear Hillary's soundbyte hinting at Veepdom? Several talking heads were saying they think that either one will offer the other the Veep spot. Unfortunately that makes them an unbeatable combination......
No, I think that actually makes them a lot more beatable.
People do not want Obama because he's a socialist. People HATE Hillary. That'd mobilize all Republicans like a freaking Pearl Harbor.
Not with the GOP acting like a blind kamazaze.....
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 09, 2008, 06:26:35 AM
Did anyone hear Hillary's soundbyte hinting at Veepdom? Several talking heads were saying they think that either one will offer the other the Veep spot. Unfortunately that makes them an unbeatable combination......
No, I think that actually makes them a lot more beatable.
People do not want Obama because he's a socialist. People HATE Hillary. That'd mobilize all Republicans like a freaking Pearl Harbor.
I just don't agree.
Sure alot of thinking people know that Obama is a socialist. And alot of people are being sucked into his cultish status. They have no idea or care for what he believes in and stands for, besides buzzwords like change.
Hillary mobilizes the republicans, but without a serious republican candidate I don't see the religious right coming out in mass numbers. Unless the old man gets a very good religious right veep selected.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 09, 2008, 06:36:13 AM
Did anyone hear Hillary's soundbyte hinting at Veepdom? Several talking heads were saying they think that either one will offer the other the Veep spot. Unfortunately that makes them an unbeatable combination......
No, I think that actually makes them a lot more beatable.
People do not want Obama because he's a socialist. People HATE Hillary. That'd mobilize all Republicans like a freaking Pearl Harbor.
I just don't agree.
Sure alot of thinking people know that Obama is a socialist. And alot of people are being sucked into his cultish status. They have no idea or care for what he believes in and stands for, besides buzzwords like change.
Hillary mobilizes the republicans, but without a serious republican candidate I don't see the religious right coming out in mass numbers. Unless the old man gets a very good religious right veep selected.
How about Huck? We know he's definitely for 2A, too, and is unlikely to be quiet if a challenge to it comes up.
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 09, 2008, 06:58:28 AM
Post by: Barbara on March 09, 2008, 11:36:52 AM
I'm guessing he's also going to go with a more conservative, white, probably southern kind of male person.
If Hillary gets the nod, I'm saying she goes with Edwards.
Post by: Paddy on March 09, 2008, 03:06:18 PM
Post by: grampster on March 09, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 09, 2008, 03:39:00 PM
Oh, heaven help me, I sound like Bogie.
Post by: Paddy on March 09, 2008, 03:42:15 PM
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 09, 2008, 04:31:53 PM
Post by: outerlimit on March 09, 2008, 04:35:53 PM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 09, 2008, 06:10:05 PM
Post by: Bigjake on March 09, 2008, 06:22:07 PM
feh. The days of some gapped tooth hillbilly killing a POTUS are long over. It would take a highly sophisticated, organized and well heeled group to accomplish that, IMO.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
Not.
All it would take is one halfway decent rifleman that didn't care about getting caught. Intellect doesn't enter into the picture, just will.
Post by: Paddy on March 09, 2008, 06:34:24 PM
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All it would take is one halfway decent rifleman that didn't care about getting caught. Intellect doesn't enter into the picture, just will.
HA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah. Most criminals get caught because they don't have the 'will' to commit the crime. Not because they're dumbasses in the first place.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on March 09, 2008, 06:42:20 PM
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All it would take is one halfway decent rifleman that didn't care about getting caught. Intellect doesn't enter into the picture, just will.
HA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah. Most criminals get caught because they don't have the 'will' to commit the crime. Not because they're dumbasses in the first place.
You can probably pull off just about any crime you want if you don't care about getting caught (and possibly killed) afterwards. Clipping the POTUS should require more brains than knocking over the typical Stop 'n Rob, but I doubt it's impossible.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 09, 2008, 07:06:53 PM
Post by: K Frame on March 09, 2008, 07:11:42 PM
yea hinckley was a a master criminal our open society makes it easy. many folks get access to the potus
Far from it, actually.
Hinckley was standing in a crowd that had full view of Reagan as he walked to his car.
After that incident there were massive changes in how the president was moved.
Post by: seeker_two on March 10, 2008, 12:58:15 AM
feh. The days of some gapped tooth hillbilly killing a POTUS are long over. It would take a highly sophisticated, organized and well heeled group to accomplish that, IMO.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
LBJ was racist, too......
Post by: The Rabbi on March 10, 2008, 01:26:34 AM
feh. The days of some gapped tooth hillbilly killing a POTUS are long over. It would take a highly sophisticated, organized and well heeled group to accomplish that, IMO.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
LBJ was racist, too......
Post by: Paddy on March 10, 2008, 05:20:16 AM
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Most criminals get caught after they've completed their crime. The police don't often prevent crimes from happening, they merely mop up afterwards and try to catch the guy who did it. And the sad truth is that smart criminals often get away with it.
Officer Barney Fife of the Podunk PD is light years away from the training, equipment, and unlimited resources of the U.S. Secret Service. They have surveillance and intell capabilities second to none on the planet. They can transport the President to practically any place on the globe and assure his safety.
Comparing them with some local flatfoot is beyond ludicrous.
Post by: MicroBalrog on March 10, 2008, 05:40:40 AM
feh. The days of some gapped tooth hillbilly killing a POTUS are long over. It would take a highly sophisticated, organized and well heeled group to accomplish that, IMO.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
LBJ was racist, too......
Question, do you believe that there was anything actually 'Great' about the Great Society?
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on March 10, 2008, 05:50:21 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 10, 2008, 06:24:22 AM
A few times I've worked ATC with POTUS coming through an airport. At Brownsville there were some woods bordering the area he was to load and unload AF1. I won't reveal details on what they did, but they pretty much made it that some lone sniper wasn't going to be able to pull of a grassy knoll shot. Not to mention the Helos and local PD patrolling the area. There wasn't a perimiter, there were numerous perimiters. During announced travel I'd think the security is very thick. Most people wouldn't have the inside knoweldge to hit 'em in transit during that unannounced travel.
But do I think that would stop some whackjob supremeicists from trying? I think that we'll see at least one cognizant plot during Obama's reign of terror. But I don't see them getting close enough to pull it off.
I do think that the idea of Hillary pulling off an inside job is ludicrous. I think even the Clintons have standards. They only kill off witnesses to thier misdeeds.
Post by: Manedwolf on March 10, 2008, 06:32:10 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on March 10, 2008, 06:41:11 AM
Hillary would displace Obama by getting him impeached, and take over the office. She'd find a way.
Wow! Please don't bogart, pass that stuff here!
To be serious, though, if she turns on her own party just for a year or two in power, they'd burn her at the stake!
The only way I envision that being close to truth is if she's got some very nasty dirt on him already. And I think the best way for her to stick him with that is if he gets the Nomination and asks her to be Veep. They begin campaigning and she drops the bomb. He is forced to bow out and she becomes the defacto Nominee.
I just don't see how she could usurp him while in office. The guy's so stinkin popular just because he's got that charisma. And it would require a Republican majority in both houses. And she'd have to sell out her party to get it done.
No, she rides his coattails into the whitehouse. Bill gets some cushy job like UN Ambassador. Hillary runs again in 8 years.
Or Hillary doesn't take the Veep nomination and runs against him in 4 years. Hard row to hoe, running against a sitting prez for the party nomination.
Post by: MechAg94 on March 10, 2008, 09:48:55 AM
She has a lot more to gain with him as her VP than he does picking her as VP.
Post by: seeker_two on March 10, 2008, 10:09:08 AM
feh. The days of some gapped tooth hillbilly killing a POTUS are long over. It would take a highly sophisticated, organized and well heeled group to accomplish that, IMO.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
I don't think racists are anywhere near that smart.
LBJ was racist, too......
Question, do you believe that there was anything actually 'Great' about the Great Society?
LBJ was all about the votes and the Benjamins....and he was known for his "colorful" jokes and bigotry in private company.....
Post by: Scout26 on March 10, 2008, 01:06:58 PM
I wouldn't put it past her.
Post by: Bigjake on March 10, 2008, 04:04:54 PM
Hillary would displace Obama by getting him impeached, and take over the office. She'd find a way.
To be serious, though, if she turns on her own party just for a year or two in power, they'd burn her at the stake!I'm strangely ok with that..
Post by: RocketMan on March 10, 2008, 09:21:38 PM
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Or Hillary doesn't take the Veep nomination and runs against him in 4 years. Hard row to hoe, running against a sitting prez for the party nomination.
Given that he lacks any real substance, I've got a hunch that an Obama presidency is going to crash and burn. After four years of Obama, Hillary may well succeed in taking the presidency away from him.
That assumes the Republicans don't recover enough as a party to run someone meaningful against the Democrat incumbent. And I just don't see that happening, not for a long while.
Post by: Desertdog on March 12, 2008, 11:23:08 AM
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Hillary would displace Obama by getting him impeached, and take over the office. She'd find a way.
With the record of the sudden deaths of persons related everything that happened while Bill Clinton was president, I would definatly be afraid for Obama's health, if Hillary was VP.Wasn't the total of sudden and unexpected deaths of persons connected, in some way, to Bill Clinton around 56?