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Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« on: August 17, 2015, 11:12:26 PM »
I do love how Trump is torturing the GOP establishment, the MSM, faux conservatives, and such.  When he disappoints us with his withdrawal (more likely than not in my opinion) it is gonna hurt.  Oh, well, Trump only is possible in an environment where the GOP is busy selling the GOP voters down the river.  The GOPer establishment deserves to be tortured (politically).

Until then, we can enjoy the aforementioned torture and Trump taking detcord and a maul to the Overton Window.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/images/uploads/Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf

Do read it, it is not too long.  It could be better with a complete moratorium on immigration and H1B visas.  Still light-years ahead of the eunuchs also vying for the nomination.

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When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

Illegal, legal, H1B are all addressed, as well as other issues.

Good stuff.

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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2015, 11:20:02 PM »
Not a Trump "believer" but I have to say that is a fine position paper.

My hangup is his trustworthiness.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2015, 11:42:22 PM »
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/212750/
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KURT SCHLICHTER: “Let’s be absolutely clear – Donald Trump is entirely the fault of a GOP establishment that lied to conservatives and refused to do what it promised it would do. Trump is no secret Machiavellian genius cunningly outmaneuvering his enemies from his super-classy Atlantic City volcano lair. He’s a finger-to-the-wind charlatan who will say whatever he needs to say to maximize his own personal adulation. And he would still be merely a tiresome reality TV catch-phrase generator if the GOP establishment had not treated the rest of us like dirt.”

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The fact is, the Washington establishment doesn't like us, it doesn't respect us, and thinks we're stupid. It seems to have learned nothing from Trump and what his rise means. It thinks it can just wait him out and get back to business as usual, which seems to be passing out favors to crony capitalist big business as usual.

Schlichter things the GOP can be reformed.  I think he is overly optimistic, but we need some goofy squishes _and_ bomb-throwers.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2015, 12:00:01 AM »
There's not a policy in that paper that I can find fault with.   Of course the GOP establishment will scream like a stuck pig.

Meanwhile on the local talk stations (Johnny B on WLS and Bill Leff and Wendy Snyder on WGN ) this morning there were two main subjects:   Hillary's E-mail server and Trump flying into the Iowa State Fair and "abducting kids*" to fly in his chopper.



*- per Buzz Kilman, in jest.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2015, 12:17:17 AM »
Not a Trump "believer" but I have to say that is a fine position paper.

My hangup is his trustworthiness.
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Re: Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2015, 12:58:13 AM »
There lay the continual rub.


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Puts him on even footing with the rest of the gop which campaigned one way for the 2014 election but has governed another way.

Well except for those hopefuls who have not had to do anything much.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2015, 08:51:44 AM »
Trump is the great '*expletive deleted*ck You.'
Until the R party has something worth offering (The American Communist party will never get a vote from me, ever), voting for the '*expletive deleted*ck You' candidate will do.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2015, 10:36:24 AM »
Maybe Trump's demonstration will at least embolden the other R candidates that they do not have to be PC and meek all the time.  Be bold and loud and don't apologize ever.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2015, 10:58:34 AM »
Maybe Trump's demonstration will at least embolden the other R candidates that they do not have to be PC and meek all the time.  Be bold and loud and don't apologize ever.
Nope. The RNC will see that anyone who steps out of line on their 'socialism lite' platform will not be funded. Current office holders are subject to the tantrums of the rino leadership- see mcconnel and boehner yanking committee positions from TEA candidates. It takes someone who is immensely independently wealthy to be able to push for any kind of reform.

Until the electorate turns on the leadership and votes every single rino out, there will be no reform.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2015, 01:39:46 PM »
RNC leadership is going to devote more time and energy to defeating Trump than they will to defeating the Democrat nominee, be it Hillary or someone else.

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Donald Trump is entirely the fault of a GOP establishment that lied to conservatives and refused to do what it promised it would do.
Bullseye!

Speaking of GOP establishment lies . . . anyone else notice that when Ted Cruz was condemned for calling Mitch McConnell a liar, he was called disloyal, he was accused of breaking protocol, he was accused of breaching decorum . . . but notably absent was anyone claiming he got his facts wrong.

That he was nonetheless criticized by prominent GOP stalwarts for what he said (which wasn't factually incorrect!!!) is very telling.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2015, 04:10:29 PM »
Oh man, I wish a decent republican candidates would embrace all these points.... rather than a fake evil scumbag like the him.


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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2015, 04:42:37 PM »
Trump is the great '*expletive deleted*ck You.'
Until the R party has something worth offering (The American Communist party will never get a vote from me, ever), voting for the '*expletive deleted*ck You' candidate will do.

On a related note: [url][http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/08/18/tea-party-could-lose-senate-for-gop.html?intcmp=hphz03/url]

Juan Williams argues the Tea Party/conservative GOP base may cause the GOP to lose the Senate.

"It is no secret that the right-wing base of the GOP is unhappy with Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) as Majority Leader.  But if they keep up the extreme rhetoric, they may well be longing for the days of McConnell’s leadership — that is, when Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) becomes Majority Leader instead."

To which I say, the primer mover if Republicans lose the Senate majority will have been....the GOP.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2015, 05:27:20 PM »
On a related note: [url][http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/08/18/tea-party-could-lose-senate-for-gop.html?intcmp=hphz03/url]

Juan Williams argues the Tea Party/conservative GOP base may cause the GOP to lose the Senate.

"It is no secret that the right-wing base of the GOP is unhappy with Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) as Majority Leader.  But if they keep up the extreme rhetoric, they may well be longing for the days of McConnell’s leadership — that is, when Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) becomes Majority Leader instead."

To which I say, the primer mover if Republicans lose the Senate majority will have been....the GOP.
I thought it was the "right-wing base" (tea party voters) that got the Republicans the majority in the Senate in the first place.  This is the continued effort to push the GOP to ignore their own voters.  Not sure they need to be pushed.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2015, 05:35:24 PM »
I thought it was the "right-wing base" (tea party voters) that got the Republicans the majority in the Senate in the first place.  This is the continued effort to push the GOP to ignore their own voters.  Not sure they need to be pushed.

It was, and that's my point. To suggest the Tea Party is an albatross around the RNC's neck demonstrates a severe case of what I'm calling IBS-Inside the Beltway Syndrome, and it isn't just showing up in liberal/moderate pundits like Williams. The RNC keeps grasping for the squishy middle while ignoring the haft of the hammer, but it slips through their fingers every time and they'll never get a handful that way.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2015, 05:53:51 PM »
On a related note: [url][http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/08/18/tea-party-could-lose-senate-for-gop.html?intcmp=hphz03/url]

Juan Williams argues the Tea Party/conservative GOP base may cause the GOP to lose the Senate.

"It is no secret that the right-wing base of the GOP is unhappy with Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) as Majority Leader.  But if they keep up the extreme rhetoric, they may well be longing for the days of McConnell’s leadership — that is, when Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) becomes Majority Leader instead."

To which I say, the primer mover if Republicans lose the Senate majority will have been....the GOP.

I am sure liberals like Williams have the GOP's best interest at heart.
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Re: Trump Position Paper on Immigration
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2015, 06:11:38 PM »
I am sure liberals like Williams have the GOP's best interest at heart.

The point I apparently failed to make clear is that many "conservatives" in the commentariat seem to feel similarly.
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