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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: WLJ on February 21, 2019, 12:34:54 AM
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They're going nuts over at https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/WTF-Benchmade--/5-2196139/?page=1
(https://i.imgur.com/m4uwmvI.jpg)
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2179648148740328&id=793302930708197
The why behind the what (the fudge).
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According to this site, https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000047693&cycle=A&fbclid=IwAR38D-GN3gJkQXm7-uBX3bXF8vVfnN7ONgVwofk_XxkQwA8MBy9o7fphdEM Benchmade is mainly a democrat-supporting company.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2179648148740328&id=793302930708197
The why behind the what (the fudge).
The comments are worth a read.
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Benchmade is getting soundly trounced on their FB page, too.
Good.
Brad
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Jinx Bradshaw replied · 12 replies
Brad Lee
Facebook put a stop to Benchmade reviews 2 hours in and this page alone is at 1800 responses. What's that say about the amount of public response that's going on? I would hope this can lead to a policy change in the future.
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A company that hates a large percentage of its customers.
Gun owners need to abandon them, let them be the knife company that nobody on the right buys from.
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https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000047693&cycle=A&fbclid=IwAR1sRzbgDK3Lwx0pWTP8MJvIhGXovVu-WdiT2pNOOpnmuaeIJeIa46ermgA
Just ran across this link. All of the money and support to politicians since 2013 has gone to D’s.
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Does a large percentage of their business come from police/government/military?
It boggles my mind when a business supports politicians who would like nothing better than to take your product away from a huge percentage of your customer base.
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https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000047693&cycle=A&fbclid=IwAR1sRzbgDK3Lwx0pWTP8MJvIhGXovVu-WdiT2pNOOpnmuaeIJeIa46ermgA
Just ran across this link. All of the money and support to politicians since 2013 has gone to D’s.
What are their NRA rankings or State Gun Rights Group Rankings?
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My understanding is that firearm destruction like this (for guns used in crimes) is mandated by law, so it has to be done by somebody. However any company even remotely related to the firearms community would probably better served by stepping off. I'm sure there are plenty of anti-gun businesses with the proper equipment.
The Dem political contributions likely explain much. They might be a "friend to law enforcement", but that doesn't mean they're a friend to freedom.
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HundK's PR person is on the ball.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BuIgMPjnlgt/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet
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https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000047693&cycle=A&fbclid=IwAR1sRzbgDK3Lwx0pWTP8MJvIhGXovVu-WdiT2pNOOpnmuaeIJeIa46ermgA
Just ran across this link. All of the money and support to politicians since 2013 has gone to D’s.
See Reply #2 above. :police:
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See Reply #2 above. :police:
Oops, it was worth repeating though.
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My understanding is that firearm destruction like this (for guns used in crimes) is mandated by law, so it has to be done by somebody. However any company even remotely related to the firearms community would probably better served by stepping off. I'm sure there are plenty of anti-gun businesses with the proper equipment.
The Dem political contributions likely explain much. They might be a "friend to law enforcement", but that doesn't mean they're a friend to freedom.
One of the replies on the Oregon City PD Facebook page linked to the Oregon law that says they are not required to destroy the guns. Up to the city to decide on disposal.
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Wow, I had no idea about them as a company. That's a shame, they make great (although a bit overpriced) knives.
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One of the replies on the Oregon City PD Facebook page linked to the Oregon law that says they are not required to destroy the guns. Up to the city to decide on disposal.
They destroyed a shotgun. Looks like a Remington 1100 from the posted pic.
Just goes to show it's not "SCARY GUNS" they are after, it's all of them. Because all of them are "SCARY" to the left.
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One of the replies on the Oregon City PD Facebook page linked to the Oregon law that says they are not required to destroy the guns. Up to the city to decide on disposal.
Ah, I stand corrected.
Of interest is a comment at the link in your HK post: Apparently Benchmade has a buddy relationship with REI, and REI has gone pretty full bore about not carrying anything from anyone associated with firearms.
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Wow, I had no idea about them as a company. That's a shame, they make great (although a bit overpriced) knives.
They are a 'bit' overpriced.
Search 'ganzo' knives. They are benchmade knockoffs, albeit without exotic steels (usually 440C), with surprisingly high quality... at about 1/10th the price.
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Ah, I stand corrected.
Of interest is a comment at the link in your HK post: Apparently Benchmade has a buddy relationship with REI, and REI has gone pretty full bore about not carrying anything from anyone associated with firearms.
Huh. And a few years ago, I used my REI dividend to buy a sweet Benchmade Triage knife.
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REI has gone 110% SJW and I’m afraid will soon become much more politically active.
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My understanding is that firearm destruction like this (for guns used in crimes) is mandated by law, so it has to be done by somebody. However any company even remotely related to the firearms community would probably better served by stepping off. I'm sure there are plenty of anti-gun businesses with the proper equipment.
The Dem political contributions likely explain much. They might be a "friend to law enforcement", but that doesn't mean they're a friend to freedom.
Yeah, Benchmade, apparanttly. :)
I actually like my Benchmade knives and have a couple, but between the chopping and the donations/corporate culture that is being revealed, I probably won't buy another. It's not like there's any shortage of decent knives from companies that don't flaunt their disagreable policies.
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They destroyed a shotgun. Looks like a Remington 1100 from the posted pic.
Just goes to show it's not "SCARY GUNS" they are after, it's all of them. Because all of them are "SCARY" to the left.
With a Russian? SKS next on the bench and that may be it getting it in the 3rd pic
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My understanding is that firearm destruction like this (for guns used in crimes) is mandated by law, so it has to be done by somebody. However any company even remotely related to the firearms community would probably better served by stepping off. I'm sure there are plenty of anti-gun businesses with the proper equipment.
The Dem political contributions likely explain much. They might be a "friend to law enforcement", but that doesn't mean they're a friend to freedom.
The PD could go to any hardware store, Lowe's, Home Depot, or Harbor Freight Tools and buy a chop saw for under $100. They didn't "need" Benchmade to do this. Which means Benchmade was a willing participant, although I'm sure they (Benchmade) wish the PD hadn't publicized it.
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Well anyways, this will be an easy boycott for me. I have one Benchmade 940 Osborne that I bought at least 15 years ago. They're approaching $200 now. Too rich for my blood, and the knife type (kind of a "dress knife" for me). I'll stick with ZT and Kershaw.
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My understanding is that firearm destruction like this (for guns used in crimes) is mandated by law, so it has to be done by somebody. However any company even remotely related to the firearms community would probably better served by stepping off. I'm sure there are plenty of anti-gun businesses with the proper equipment.
The Dem political contributions likely explain much. They might be a "friend to law enforcement", but that doesn't mean they're a friend to freedom.
Any old machine shop could cut a receiver in half.
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The PD could go to any hardware store, Lowe's, Home Depot, or Harbor Freight Tools and buy a chop saw for under $100. They didn't "need" Benchmade to do this. Which means Benchmade was a willing participant, although I'm sure they (Benchmade) wish the PD hadn't publicized it.
I’m pretty sure this was blatant virtue signaling for free publicity on Benchmade’s part, but it didn’t go quite as their marketing geniuses predicted.
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Search 'ganzo' knives. They are benchmade knockoffs, albeit without exotic steels (usually 440C), with surprisingly high quality... at about 1/10th the price.
I carry one of their push button automatics every day.:
(https://i.imgur.com/x8Uovnc.jpg)
Good knives at a great value but as a company they obviously have their own issues with intellectual property.
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Noice!
I keep one of these in my car.. its a little too squarish for my liking for pocket carry...
https://outdoorplayer.com/collections/automatic-knives/products/ganzo-g7212-gr-folding-knife-firebird-messer-taschenmesser-outdoormesser-surviva-440c-g10-handel
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I have posted before about my pleasant surprise with Ganzo knives and multi-tools. I have several by now. No automatics, since those are illegal in Washington for civilians.
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I have posted before about my pleasant surprise with Ganzo knives and multi-tools. I have several by now. No automatics, since those are illegal in Washington for civilians.
Quite honestly, I bought several automatics of different designs because of the novelty of them after my state legalized them.
Consequently, I found a fantastic knife in the Kershaw Launch 6, which would be a great knife even if it weren't an auto. Even that one was an impulse buy when I saw it at a gun shop.
https://www.bladehq.com/item--Kershaw-Launch-6-Automatic-Knife-3--34418
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I found a fantastic knife in the Kershaw Launch 6
Wow, we apparently have very similar taste in knives. I have a Launch 2 waiting in the cupboard for when the Ganzo is worn out. =D
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Interestingly enough, I have a friend in Europe who likes guns and loves knives. I sent him a link to this and within ten minutes he responded with a message that was 100 percent defensive of Benchmade. He hasn't replied to my rebuttal.
I guess my friend likes Benchmade knives. I've always regarded them as "okay" (at best) in quality, and vastly over-priced.
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I have no Benchmades and a couple of Ganzo autos. I doubt Ganzo is a particularly freedom-oriented company themselves, and I doubt their steel is actually 440C. Meh blades but decent mechanisms.
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I like Ganzo quite a bit. Better than the RAT 1 knives I used to be so fond of.
https://www.powercutlery.com/products/ganzo-g740-gr-440c-blade-green-g10-folding-knife
https://www.gearbest.com/pocket-knives-folding-knives/pp_218991.html?wid=1433363#goodsDetail
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I have noted that Ganzo seems to be moving toward the brand name 'Firebird', and I am having better luck on Amazon searching under that name.
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I own one Benchmade. Love it. It’s my everyday carry knife.
Damn that pisses me off.
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I heard back from my European friend. He admits that he owns multiple Benchmade knives.
I guessed that from the defensive tone of his first reply.
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Looking forward to chuckling at the Benchmade ads on Facebook, right below the Gillette ads.
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Speaking of virtue signaling.....
https://twitter.com/kershawknives/status/1098623388153573380?fbclid=IwAR2UZR-DJ6KE9ptWxBEKgLyT4k_9B1i93GGTt5i8O7e2yhD0jR4LLzAE7t8
Benchmade seems to be having a pretty bad week on social media.
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Does Amazon not allow automatic knives on their site? I searched there for the Ganzo and Kershaw knives linked above and couldn't find them. Lots of folding knives, but those.
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Does Amazon not allow automatic knives on their site? I searched there for the Ganzo and Kershaw knives linked above and couldn't find them. Lots of folding knives, but those.
No, they don't seem to. I've seen a few slip through from third party sellers or something, but that's been pretty rare. A lot of places just don't seem to want to deal with it. Other places like OpticsPlanet list & sell them but make you jump through extra hoops.
BladeHQ is usually pretty good for domestic autos. For Ganzo and other Chinese makers I like gearbest or aliexpress (which is hit or miss so I generally only buy based off reviews from http://steelreviews.blogspot.com/)
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Does Amazon not allow automatic knives on their site? I searched there for the Ganzo and Kershaw knives linked above and couldn't find them. Lots of folding knives, but those.
I don't know about automatics, but the Chinese knives are hit or miss on Amazon. To echo the Dittohead, Gearbest, Aliexpress, Fasttech are all places you can get the Chinese brands.
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More commentary on Benchmade at Ammoland . . .
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/02/the-tactical-industry-and-the-erosion-of-constitutional-rights/?utm_source=Ammoland+Subscribers&utm_campaign=35153640a4-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6f6fac3eaa-35153640a4-20740593
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Maybe Brenchmade can hire Brie Larson as their spokesperson >:D
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The PD could go to any hardware store, Lowe's, Home Depot, or Harbor Freight Tools and buy a chop saw for under $100. They didn't "need" Benchmade to do this. Which means Benchmade was a willing participant, although I'm sure they (Benchmade) wish the PD hadn't publicized it.
New twist: I'm not sure Benchmade actually destroyed those guns. :police:
Hawkmoon's post (quoted above) triggered a memory of idiots chop sawing AR'sand made me think it's more involved than just cutting it up. So I googled "Federal Law on destruction of firearms" and was helpfully linked to the ATF page which states:
How to Properly Destroy Firearms
What are ATF’s Acceptable Destruction Procedures?
Use an oxy/acetylene torch (not band sawed)
Must remove at least ¼ inch of metal per cut
Must be made at angles and completely sever the receiver in at least 3 critical locations (specified by model)
Acceptable method of destruction is to completely melt (smelt), shred or crush the firearm receiver. These torch cuts are acceptable alternatives to shredding.
Must pass through the forward wall or barrel mounting area
Must pass through the rear wall
Must pass through an area having a critical fire-control-component mounting pin and/or the slot in which the operating handle reciprocates
An unserviceable firearm is not destroyed and is still regulated as a “firearm” under Federal law. Any method of destruction must render the firearm so that it is not restorable to firing condition and is otherwise reduced to scrap
(Red mine, bolding original)
Those pics show a worker using a plasma cutter on the firearms. Now, I've used a bunch of different plasma cutters, but I've never seen one with a handheld torch that had a 1/4" kerf width. That's why you use a torch, so you can put a big nozzle on it. I suspect that Benchmade ran a ~50 amp plasma cutter across the guns a couple times, which took out 1/16"-3/32" of metal per cut. Maybe they got the front and back walls like they were supposed to, maybe they didn't. Then the PD took the [not actually destroyed] firearms and dropped them off.....somewhere? It's be pretty interesting to FOIA request the records of where those receivers went exactly.
Typical leftists, then. Sure they are doing the "right" thing, don't bother to actually comply with the laws.
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Tim over at the Military Arms Channel and some of his supporters have started looking into gear companies and are discovering that a whole bunch of them donate to Democrats. Example: EOTech was found to have donated $40K to Diane Feinstein. Looking at the lengthening list, I'd dare to estimate half of the big gear companies have donated to candidates who have run on a platform including some call for gun control. At this rate, we will have darn few companies to actually buy from if we boycott all of the "offenders". Though, it will make shopping easier.
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If they are paying off both sides it is understandable, cost of doing business in a corrupt world.
If all contributions go to Democrats and leftists, that’s another story.
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If they are paying off both sides it is understandable, cost of doing business in a corrupt world.
If all contributions go to Democrats and leftists, that’s another story.
Yup. I don't like it, but I understand when a business may need to "buy off" some congresscritter or state rep that runs their district. I think most companies give to both sides of the aisle in some proportion or another.
Even if they give to all dems, I still do business with some companies (Costco, for instance) as long as they're not in my face about hating me or my way of life.
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If they are paying off both sides it is understandable, cost of doing business in a corrupt world.
If all contributions go to Democrats and leftists, that’s another story.
Exactly. Many companies (and executives) routinely contribute to both parties just to have an "in" with whoever wins. Pushing all your donations to one side, especially if it's the side that's out to hamstring your customer base, is a different animal.
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And here I was thinking that it was time to replace my Mini Griptilian that I once had...and now this comes up. Guess I am buying another Spyderco, or perhaps a Kershaw...
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I have been very happy with my mini-grip, but my next knife will be a Spyderco.
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Viking I have always been pleased with the US made Kershaws just can’t seem to avoid losing them for some reason
Also had a Spyderco all serrated blunt tip I’d love to find again
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Looks to me like most of the companies are trying to play both sides. Things is, a lot of people are ignoring the need to play both sides, and just focusing on the donations to the Dems. And calling for boycotts, of course.
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Tim over at the Military Arms Channel and some of his supporters have started looking into gear companies and are discovering that a whole bunch of them donate to Democrats. Example: EOTech was found to have donated $40K to Diane Feinstein. Looking at the lengthening list, I'd dare to estimate half of the big gear companies have donated to candidates who have run on a platform including some call for gun control. At this rate, we will have darn few companies to actually buy from if we boycott all of the "offenders". Though, it will make shopping easier.
DiFi is on the appropriations committee and the defense subcommittee.
That may be why defense contractors give to her.
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Because no honest person needs anything more than a Benchmadeâ„¢ knife to defend him/her/it self...
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Benchmade did an interview segment with Guntalk Radio today. They said they were cutting the guns to size to fit in a furnace of some sort. Overall, their guy didn't come off too well. Callers said as much afterward. It was the second segment of the first hour if you care to download the podcast.
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There's a link to the podcast in the parallel discussion on The Firing Line forum.
I have been following the discussion on The Firing Line, and I am both surprised and disappointed at how many people on that forum are posting in defense of Benchmade. I did not expect that on a firearms forum.
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There's a link to the podcast in the parallel discussion on The Firing Line forum.
I have been following the discussion on The Firing Line, and I am both surprised and disappointed at home many people on that forum are posting in defense of Benchmade. I did not expect that on a firearms forum.
What’s that old quote?
We have met the enemy and he is us.
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There's a link to the podcast in the parallel discussion on The Firing Line forum.
I have been following the discussion on The Firing Line, and I am both surprised and disappointed at home many people on that forum are posting in defense of Benchmade. I did not expect that on a firearms forum.
You're surprised?
Look at how many in the firearms community rushed to S&W's defense back in 2000 when the company signed a deal with the Clinton Administration?
How many people rushed out to defend the "gun writers" who came out against AR-15 style rifles -- Dick Metcalf, Jim Zumbo, Jerry Tsai?
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You're surprised?
Look at how many in the firearms community rushed to S&W's defense back in 2000 when the company signed a deal with the Clinton Administration?
How many people rushed out to defend the "gun writers" who came out against AR-15 style rifles -- Dick Metcalf, Jim Zumbo, Jerry Tsai?
Yup - it's a sad fact of the larger gun forums. It may not have been so at TFL 20 years ago, but it certainly is now. Just like Calguns. I used to lurk there, but the amount of "what's the big deal about this one gun control law?" and similar got to be a real turnoff. There are plenty of people on both those forums that "get it", but the size of the forums is bound to bring in some percentage of quislings.
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20 years ago TFL was really in its infancy.
And, I suspect, the mix wasn't that much different then, either.
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And, I suspect, the mix wasn't that much different then, either.
I wouldn't be surprised. Similar percentages, just a larger population over the years, so it looks like more cray cray.