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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on September 19, 2018, 05:05:17 PM
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/cody-wilson-owner-3d-printed-gun-company-wanted/story?id=57933393
And then distribute the files?
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My only question is this a legit pervert who prints guns or a very elegant takedown of someone who thumbed their nose at the man?
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My only question is this a legit pervert who prints guns or a very elegant takedown of someone who thumbed their nose at the man?
That was my first thought.
[tinfoil]
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The timing is very suspicious. I smell setup. My BS meter is bouncing off the end of the scale.
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Yep, setup....
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Reading the article, that's a *lot* of information, and a lot of very specific detail, for police to release during an active investigation..... I mean, yeah, it's entirely possible this guy is a huge scumbag. But my BS detector is ticking rather strongly into the red as well....
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I am torn here, but, in order for it to happen as depicted he was an active member of SugarDaddyMeet.com or he went there looking for something, most likely. Either way it lessens the fact it was an elaborate cover up for me and more of a purposeful encounter. Really, SugarDaddyMeet, who knew things like this even existed? I guess since Craigslist took down their personals people have been forced to other venues.
bob
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I'm going to assume that he thought she was of age. But maybe the website is made for arranging hookups with teenaged girls. Don't know. I'm also going to say that I don't think money should make fornication illegal. Either way, if he paid for sex, he knew that's a crime. If he did that, he's a huge disappointment to the libertarian/gun rights community.
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You always pay for sex one way or another.
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Here's the thing: going to someone, and giving them $100 for a bj: illegal
Buying that same someone a $100 tennis bracelet, and them giving you a bj as a thank you: legal
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Tennis bracelet?
???
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Here's the thing: going to someone, and giving them $100 for a bj: illegal
Buying that same someone a $100 tennis bracelet, and them giving you a bj as a thank you: legal
Or pay them $100 to film the act, then it’s protected free speech.
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Really, SugarDaddyMeet, who knew things like this even existed? I guess since Craigslist took down their personals people have been forced to other venues.
bob
A friend of mine is getting back into the dating pool after his divorce last year. He says that with the demise of Craigslist and Backpage, all of the hookers moved to the dating sites. He says at least half of the people he communicates with on Plenty of Fish and Match turn out to be women looking to be paid for sex and he has seen the same profiles with the same pictures and different names reappear after they are reported. We both wondered if the fact that he is in his early 50's has anything to do with this.
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I'm open to "setup" from what I have read so far. Maybe the dude will end up being a sleaze, but my understanding of "sugar daddy" simply means a rich older guy who likes younger women and vice versa. The younger woman could be 18 or 38.
Maybe on that site it does imply "underage"? But that's not the common definition. Also, did I miss where she told him she was underage? From the legal perspective, how culpable is the guy if the girl lies about her age?
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/19/cody-wilson-gun-entrepreneur-accused-sex-with-minor-left-us-for-taiwan-officials-say.html
Mr. Wilson left the country for Taiwan and missed his return flight. Hmm.
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This is just far to convenient and there are far too many details for it to be anything but a setup.
Him flying to Taiwan, does nothing to help things.
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I'm going to assume that he thought she was of age. But maybe the website is made for arranging hookups with teenaged girls. Don't know. I'm also going to say that I don't think money should make fornication illegal. Either way, if he paid for sex, he knew that's a crime. If he did that, he's a huge disappointment to the libertarian/gun rights community.
Why are you equating libertarian with gun rights? Shouldn't libertarians hold the view that what people do behind closed doors is not a legitimate government interest? Would it be all right if she was underaged and he didn't pay for it?
Nice of the police officer to toss out the throw-away line that anyone looking at her would think she was less than 15, not older. Prejudicial statement, much? I want pictures. How can we assess the validity of that statement without seeing the pictures? But -- of course -- they can't release the pictures, because ... she's under-age.
SETUP!
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I'm going to assume that he thought she was of age. But maybe the website is made for arranging hookups with teenaged girls. Don't know. I'm also going to say that I don't think money should make fornication illegal. Either way, if he paid for sex, he knew that's a crime. If he did that, he's a huge disappointment to the libertarian/gun rights community.
Why are you equating libertarian with gun rights? Shouldn't libertarians hold the view that what people do behind closed doors is not a legitimate government interest? Would it be all right if she was underaged and he didn't pay for it?
I'm not equating libertarianism with gun rights. I'm saying that both pro-gun conservatives and libertarians had reasons to sympathize with his gun projects. The last I heard, Wilson himself is a professed anarchist. (Also, I'm not of those who think libertarianism is a bad thing, nor am I in the habit of tempering my language for those who do.)
Regardless of what might be a "legitimate government interest," Wilson knows that paying for sex is currently illegal, and could easily endanger the gun rights human rights work he's put so much into. So - major fail.
No, I'm not saying that having sex with unpaid minors would be alright for Wilson to do. What I'm saying is that he might be mistaken about her age, but he couldn't have paid her accidentally. (Assuming he did pay her, but since he sourced her through a site called "SugarDaddy.com"...)
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Cougars. Just as fun as that teenage hottie, but without the chances of going to jail and/or having to pay 18 years of child support...
Just sayin'....
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Tennis bracelet?
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Android ever-whimsical spell Czech.
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Why are you equating libertarian with gun rights? Shouldn't libertarians hold the view that what people do behind closed doors is not a legitimate government interest? Would it be all right if she was underaged and he didn't pay for it?
I'm not equating libertarianism with gun rights. I'm saying that both pro-gun conservatives and libertarians had reasons to sympathize with his gun projects. The last I heard, Wilson himself is a professed anarchist.
Anarchist. I listened to him on a podcast a couple years back, discussing anarchist theory with the host.
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Cougars. Just as fun as that teenage hottie, but without the chances of going to jail and/or having to pay 18 years of child support...
Just sayin'....
More like four times as fun, eight times the crazy.
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Probably not a good idea to look to an anarchist for leadership on any issue.
We can be thankful for the stands and fights folks like him take on though, even support them when appropriate, without making them heroes.
We don’t want to emulate the left by lionizing and making into heroes men who are morally crippled.
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More like four times as fun, eight times the crazy.
The occasional bunny in the pot is a chance you just take sometimes....
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More like four times as fun, eight times the crazy.
Yes, they've had decades to refine their level of crazy.
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Sounds like he screwed up. But yeah, looks like she did the deed then went and talked about it which to me sounds odd for someone doing that sort of thing.
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Sounds like he screwed up. But yeah, looks like she did the deed then went and talked about it which to me sounds odd for someone doing that sort of thing.
Which is why I can't help thinking it was a setup. Maybe not. If it was, he was dumb enough to walk into it.
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After Mr. Wilson went to Taiwan, he was arrested there on a Houston warrant. Mr. Wilson returned to the States and was booked into jail in Houston early Sunday morning.
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It is my understanding that a girl lying about her age is no defense against statutory rape charges.
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It is my understanding that a girl lying about her age is no defense against statutory rape charges.
That's my understanding, as well, and that has never struck me as being right or fair. Are men supposed to card prospective sexual partners? What if the girl has a fake driver's license?
What happened to "We believe you?"
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What if the girl has a fake driver's license?
Even if the girl has a fake ID the man is still guilty. The prostitute that got Wilson used a fake ID to sign up for the Sugar Daddy page. Doesn't matter to the law.
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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/09/cody-wilson-resigns-from-defense-distributed-which-is-now-under-new-leadership/
AUSTIN, Texas—Defense Distributed announced Tuesday that founder Cody Wilson had resigned from the company as of last Friday. The company is now under new leadership—Paloma Heindorff is taking over as director. Previously, Heindorff served as a vice president focused on development and operations during her three years with Defense Distributed.
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Sounds like he screwed up. But yeah, looks like she did the deed then went and talked about it which to me sounds odd for someone doing that sort of thing.
And the girl's friend warned him that he was being investigated. Definitely more going on than what they are letting on.
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Seems pretty straight forward actually:
Girl uses fake ID to sign up for the website, and goes out and does the deed.
Either she was already talking to a therapist, or she starts going to, and shares the story of her foray into prostitution.
Therapist says some version of "You know I'm a mandatory reporter for underage sex crimes, right? I have to call the cops now."
Girl didn't want any of that.
Therapist calls the cops.
Girl tries to contact the guy she wasn't trying to get arrested to warn him.
Drama ensues.
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Seems pretty straight forward actually:
Girl uses fake ID to sign up for the website, and goes out and does the deed.
Either she was already talking to a therapist, or she starts going to, and shares the story of her foray into prostitution.
Therapist says some version of "You know I'm a mandatory reporter for underage sex crimes, right? I have to call the cops now."
Girl didn't want any of that.
Therapist calls the cops.
Girl tries to contact the guy she wasn't trying to get arrested to warn him.
Drama ensues.
Yep
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Yep
What happened to the real De Selby? He may be an infuriatingly consistent contrarian, but dammit, we're used to him.
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contrarian
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I thought he was Australian.
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What happened to the real De Selby? He may be an infuriatingly consistent contrarian, but dammit, we're used to him.
They got to him. He's gone and they are using his account to watch you. [tinfoil]