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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Phyphor on June 17, 2015, 11:27:00 PM
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....immediate news is 8 believed dead, black church, white shooter.
Race baiting, ahoy!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/17/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/28902017/
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Oh for cryin' out loud.
Most of the violent attacks on religious groups, in recent American history, seem to have happened to mostly-white groups. Just going by my fuzzy memory. I don't suppose that will be remembered in the response to this.
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is it legal to carry a gun into a Church there?
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is it legal to carry a gun into a Church there?
I don't believe so, unless you have permission from the head of the facility.
bob
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I wouldn't go to a Church where I couldn't carry but most folks don't feel that way.
Praying for them for sure, terrible terrible news.
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I don't believe so, unless you have permission from the head of the facility.
bob
This. Though the law isnt to specific on who can give permission
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/18/us/charleston-south-carolina-shooting/index.html
Nine people shot dead during a prayer meeting in a Charleston church, including the pastor. The suspect is still at large. He is a white male in his early 20's.
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Fox news talking head just said "the shooter reloaded five times."
That's a heck of a lot of boolits.
stay safe.
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I wouldn't go to a Church where I couldn't carry but most folks don't feel that way.
Praying for them for sure, terrible terrible news.
This.
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I heard a state senator is among the dead. Went back to find the link and it was gone off of fb.
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Fox news talking head just said "the shooter reloaded five times."
Wait. I thought you were supposed to be able to tackle people while they're reloading.
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It's already a "hate crime". No real idea on motive but they're all convinced it was solely because it was a black church.
I'm not discounting the idea that it likely was racially motivated. But for all we know the *expletive deleted*er has demons circling his head telling him to kill.
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I heard a state senator is among the dead. Went back to find the link and it was gone off of fb.
SC State Senator Pinkney was also pastor of the church. All over the news.
stay safe.
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Wait. I thought you were supposed to be able to tackle people while they're reloading.
Realistically it depends on your mindset, health, distance to shooter and stuff between the two of you. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.
One sized/situation fits all snark in reaction to tragedy is (or should be) the tactic of our adversaries.
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Realistically it depends on your mindset, health, distance to shooter and stuff between the two of you. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.
One sized/situation fits all snark in reaction to tragedy is (or should be) the tactic of our adversaries.
Snark nothin'. If real life demonstrates that human rights violations (mag-limiting laws) don't work, we should note it, and tell one another about it.*
As someone who finds himself sitting in a church with his back to the door three times a week, I don't wish to downplay the tragedy of all this.
*Not that I'm putting much stock in early news reports
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Dylan storm roof is the shooter
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Dylan storm roof was shooter. Had some drug charges in past
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Did the witness identify confirm that identity?
Nevermind, found the link.
http://www.live5news.com/story/29347341/police-confirm-bomb-threat-at-scene-of-downtown-charleston-shooting
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Is it racist to assume that, because the shooter was white, he must have done it because he was racist?
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Snark nothin'. If real life demonstrates that human rights violations (mag-limiting laws) don't work, we should note it, and tell one another about it.*
As someone who finds himself sitting in a church with his back to the door three times a week, I don't wish to downplay the tragedy of all this.
*Not that I'm putting much stock in early news reports
Two words: Tactical reload.
Keeping one in the chamber at all times means that there is no 'charging the shooter when he's reloading.'
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Dang. Could have loaded him up with a rifle and lots of ammo, gave him a helmet with a Go-Pro mounted on it, dropped him to South Africa and enjoyed the show.
I can completely understand his beef with the mass murdering communists in the ANC on another continent, but to take his issue out in the USA, at a church no less, makes no sense.
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We should probably combine the two threads on this topic into one.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/18/us-usa-shooting-south-carolina-idUSKBN0OY06A20150618
Charming comments by the alleged shooter, from the article:
He reloaded five times even as victims pleaded with him to stop, a relative of Pinckney's said. Sylvia Johnson, a cousin, told MSNBC that a survivor told her the gunman reloaded five times during the attack. Pinckney tried to talk him out of it, she said.
"He just said, 'I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country," Johnson said.
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My wife just texted me that the suspect is in custody.
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My wife just texted me that the suspect is in custody.
Yup. Someone saw suspicious activity involving a car matching the one Roof reportedly drove, called the police who stopped him, and arrested him. It went without much incident and the report says Roof was armed when arrested.
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They caught him in Shelby, NC.
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My wife just texted me that the suspect is in custody.
Unfortunately not the morgue.
This is going to be a hell of a media circus
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I stand by my facebook comments. Race is his excuse. He's a pillpopping basketcase.
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I stand by my facebook comments. Race is his excuse. He's a pillpopping basketcase.
Yep.
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That would be my guess also. I suspect he's been out there a while. If that is in fact the case you gotta wonder about daddy buying him a gun for his birthday
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Topics merged and moved to politics, since it seems there will likely be several political subjects coming out of this as the media covers the story.
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That would be my guess also. I suspect he's been out there a while. If that is in fact the case you gotta wonder about daddy buying him a gun for his birthday
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Shades of parental pacification a la Newtown. =|
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Patiently waiting to see how this will be a confederate flag loving NRA members fault. Apparently the confederate flag is quite popular on Twitter for being blamed. I'm no doctor but that dude is Nuts. Dead effed up eyes and an almost Adam Lanza haircut that says I know I don't belong in normal society and i hate you all.
And besides, I've known/know my share of occasionally semi-literate cracker racists. When exactly does Rhodesia and apartheid come up in their tiny world view?
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When exactly does Rhodesia and apartheid come up in their tiny world view?
Never.
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but now i see a facebook picure of him with a front license tag featuring all 3 CS national flags. Latched onto racism to explain his pathetic life? As in a distinct lack of contact with the opposite sex?
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"I have to do it. You rape our women and you're taking over our country..."[/i]
They're raping them in the church, then? Is that why you started there? Or do you have a stack of dead, black rapists somewhere?
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Patiently waiting to see how this will be a confederate flag loving NRA members fault. Apparently the confederate flag is quite popular on Twitter for being blamed. I'm no doctor but that dude is Nuts. Dead effed up eyes and an almost Adam Lanza haircut that says I know I don't belong in normal society and i hate you all.
And besides, I've known/know my share of occasionally semi-literate cracker racists. When exactly does Rhodesia and apartheid come up in their tiny world view?
Nail on the head. The fact that he has an inkling about anything past shouting *expletive deleted*it like the south shall rise again makes me think he probably secretly obsessed over stuff like Rhodesia. Serial killer hipster.
but now i see a facebook picure of him with a front license tag featuring all 3 CS national flags. Latched onto racism to explain his pathetic life? As in a distinct lack of contact with the opposite sex?
Likely.
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Ya know, if you're a white guy that doesn't like black guys raping people; then shooting up a black church and going to jail seems like a really, really poor decision.
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I went through a phase as a teen/twenty-something where I was fascinated by the post-colonial period in Africa, centered mainly on the mercenary culture and fed by related books and films (The Dogs of War. Dark of the Sun, etc. I never once made the connection that any people, black or white, were inherently inferior and/or evil, except those directly responsible for the associated barbarism. I can find no way to relate murder and mutilation decades ago to people today sitting in church pews thousands of miles away.
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Is it wrong of me to wonder that if she was at that Bible study in the church, Rachel Dolezal would have suddenly identified as white?
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Well, the poor victims blood hadn't been mopped up yet when Obama comes on the TV turning this obscenity into a political statement about how we need more gun control.
Plus he lied again about some stats having to do with mass killings saying that these things happen more in America than anywhere else in the world. Perhaps he conveniently forgets about the slaughter that is going on all over the globe each day in the name of Islam and other apparent efforts by some folks to eliminate other folks.
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I'm no doctor but that dude is Nuts. Dead effed up eyes and an almost Adam Lanza haircut that says I know I don't belong in normal society and i hate you all.
All of this. Dude is obviously not right in the head.
And besides, I've known/know my share of occasionally semi-literate cracker racists. When exactly does Rhodesia and apartheid come up in their tiny world view?
Actually, occasionally it does.
I would bet a pretty good bit of money that we will eventually find out this kid spent a huge chunk of time at Stormfront. I bet he glommed information from that cesspool into his lack of real life.
It's not the first time that someone with little to no life experience ends up in an internet subculture that they embrace as though it were totally normal. Sometimes because they're just weird or screwed up, sometimes because they don't know any better.
For comparison, when I was 19 and on my way out of Fundyland I stumbled across THR, APS, and a couple of other gun culture sights that skewed my thinking on a lot of topics inordinately as a result of immersing myself as completely as possible in gun culture. Not that it was bad, necessarily, but it took time to get enough life experience to compare things.
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Please tell me that SC has the death penalty.
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Please tell me that SC has the death penalty.
*expletive deleted*ck yes we do. And unlike the hug a thug states, it gets used.
We even have the electric chair as an option. Lethal is the default.
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Well, the poor victims blood hadn't been mopped up yet when Obama comes on the TV turning this obscenity into a political statement about how we need more gun control.
Plus he lied again about some stats having to do with mass killings saying that these things happen more in America than anywhere else in civilized the world. Perhaps he conveniently forgets about the slaughter that is going on all over the globe each day in the name of Islam and other apparent efforts by some folks to eliminate other folks.
He did limit it to the civilized world - which by definition eliminates the USA as well as a number of other first-world countries.
stay safe.
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Seems the little git has confessed to wanting to start a race war.
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stay safe.
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Seems the little git has confessed to wanting to start a race war.
Oh hell, haven't we got enough Presidential candidates already?
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Oh hell, haven't we got enough Presidential candidates already?
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As expected, aspects of the story are changing. One source says that the killer bought the pistol himself:
http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/Gunman-feared-blacks-were-taking-over-the-world-6337028.php#photo-8180032
Meek said Roof told him he used birthday money from his parents to buy a .45 Glock pistol before the attack.
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Meek said Roof told him he used birthday money from his parents to buy a .45 Glock pistol before the attack.
Once again we have evidence that it's not gun ownership that causes mass murder; it's Glock ownership.
If he'd bought a 1911, he'd be volunteering at a disadvantaged youth camp by now.
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Seems the little git has confessed to wanting to start a race war.
stay safe.
That just proves he was a pill popping nut job. If he wanted to start a war he should have gone to Baltimore a few weeks back.
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That just proves he was a pill popping nut job. If he wanted to start a war he should have gone to Baltimore a few weeks back.
I'd guess he ruled that out since they tend to shoot back.
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Saw some folks in charleston show some class today at the bond hearing
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Saw some folks in charleston show some class today at the bond hearing
Yes. Their willingness to forgive is very Christian of them.
On a somewhat different topic: it is being reported that the (alleged) killer bought the pistol from a Charleston gun shop:
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2015/0619/Charleston-Another-mass-shooting-another-fight-over-gun-control
What’s known so far: Alleged shooter Dylann Roof acted alone, authorities say. Mr. Roof bought his .45 caliber handgun himself legally from a Charleston gun shop. (It was not a birthday gift from his father, as initially reported, although birthday money may have been involved.) Roof has been described by friends and family as introverted and with few friends. He had been heard making racist statements, but had no obvious mental or emotional impairments that – even in hindsight – would have alerted others to developing danger.
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If only the gun store had been required by federal law to perform a background check.
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If only the gun store had been required by federal law to perform a background check.
Given the drug comments I saw, I guess he didn't have any serious drug arrests. Not sure if that means much. I didn't see any mention of a prescription for drugs though I was curious if any prescribed pcychotropic drugs were involved in some way.
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Given the drug comments I saw, I guess he didn't have any serious drug arrests. Not sure if that means much. I didn't see any mention of a prescription for drugs though I was curious if any prescribed pcychotropic drugs were involved in some way.
He did, he apparently had a felony drug arrest and was indicted (two months ago?). So he likely just lied on the form and it hadn't hit NICS a yet, because AFAIK, NICS only does convictions?
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From what I understand at this point, none of the drug charges had been adjudicated, so NICS check would still go through showing him OK.
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Saw some folks in charleston show some class today at the bond hearing
Yes. Their willingness to forgive is very Christian of them.
You mean the Solicitor's blazingly intelligent move to poison the jury pool in not just SC but possibly the entire country?
Yes, those nice folks are showing some real decency in the face of tragedy. But allowing encouraging them to speak out at the bond hearing has got to be something besides gross stupidity. There must be a fix in for something, and especially given that up until now it appears the guy is ready and willing to plead guilty. What is that fix?
stay safe.
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From what I understand at this point, none of the drug charges had been adjudicated, so NICS check would still go through showing him OK.
The form asks if the buyer is under indictment for a felony, not just convicted. Not that it makes a difference ever.
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The form asks if the buyer is under indictment for a felony, not just convicted. Not that it makes a difference ever.
I think he's saying that Instant Check wouldn't catch indictments, so it's easier to lie.
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I think he's saying that Instant Check wouldn't catch indictments, so it's easier to lie.
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That just proves he was a pill popping nut job. If he wanted to start a war he should have gone to Baltimore a few weeks back.
I'd guess he ruled that out since they tend to shoot back.
He may be crazy...but he's not that crazy.
A question as to whether he should be called a terrorist:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/charleston-shooting-black-and-muslim-killers-are-terrorists-and-thugs-why-are-white-shooters-called-mentally-ill-10330714.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/charleston-shooting-black-and-muslim-killers-are-terrorists-and-thugs-why-are-white-shooters-called-mentally-ill-10330714.html)
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He may be crazy...but he's not that crazy.
A question as to whether he should be called a terrorist:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/charleston-shooting-black-and-muslim-killers-are-terrorists-and-thugs-why-are-white-shooters-called-mentally-ill-10330714.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/charleston-shooting-black-and-muslim-killers-are-terrorists-and-thugs-why-are-white-shooters-called-mentally-ill-10330714.html)
Its all about keeping the narratives straight...
well see he was on anti-anxiety and possibly adhd drugs, which his school, his psychiatrist, and his absentee parents no doubt put him on. He can't be a terrorist, because that would mean that he isn't a special snowflake, but a shitbird who needed a lot more discipline. If we acknowledge that he was a shitbird, then people will start asking questions about the origin of his pill habit, and the pharmaceutical habits of all of the other mass murdering special snowflakes.
With blacks we can keep the blame on rap culture.
With Muslims we can the blame on mosques and 'radicalization' by men with scary beards.
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If we take him at his word then he is a terrorist and I'm OK with that designation.
As much as I hate what Obama has done recently and the Dems have done historically to race relations I think we should give no quarter at all to the Stormfront type goons who commit violence.
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He may be crazy...but he's not that crazy.
A question as to whether he should be called a terrorist:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/charleston-shooting-black-and-muslim-killers-are-terrorists-and-thugs-why-are-white-shooters-called-mentally-ill-10330714.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/charleston-shooting-black-and-muslim-killers-are-terrorists-and-thugs-why-are-white-shooters-called-mentally-ill-10330714.html)
Sigh. "White shooters" (she means shooting-spree mass-killers) are usually called mentally ill because they usually are, just like the non-white VA shooter, and the black nut who shot up the Washington Navy Yard. The title is preposterous, given the high-profile case of Hasan, about whom swirled the high-profile controversy of his not being labeled a terrorist. Wasn't Colin Ferguson also considered mentally ill?
So who is refusing to call this guy a terrorist? His actions and statements match the description of terrorism most perfectly. I also heard a race-baiter getting all frothy about how it should be called an assassination. I doubt anyone would object to that characterization either, provided the nut knew he was killing a political figure.
This is not an act of just 'one hateful person.' It is a manifestation of the racial hatred and white supremacy that continues to pervade our society
:rofl:; just :rofl:
Now here is some equally stupid ranting from a white boy, who's trying to explain the Republican viewpoint that drove Roof to kill. I'm not making this up.
Black people are the engine of the Democratic Party, which is the engine of bad government, which is the engine of illegitimate oppression. They are part of a vast national criminal enterprise — against which our founders gave us a special amendment as a lethal and liberating tool. To kill them is an act of rebellion, the hunting down of the criminal and the freeing of yourself and the just.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-charleston-shooter-racist-violent-and-yes-political-20150619
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The creep is supposed to have a "manifesto" on the web somewhere. The site is not responding, but here's a reprint.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/foghorn/charleston-church-attacker-dylann-roofs-manifesto/
Patriotism
I hate the sight of the American flag. Modern American patriotism is an absolute joke. People pretending like they have something to be proud while White people are being murdered daily in the streets. Many veterans believe we owe them something for “protecting our way of life” or “protecting our freedom”. But im not sure what way of life they are talking about. How about we protect the White race and stop fighting for the jews. I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940’s American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion. So I dont blame the veterans of any wars up until after Vietnam, because at least they had an American to be proud of and fight for.
He, like, totally sounds exactly like a cross between Rand Paul and Jeb Bush. ;/ He also has a picture of himself burning the American flag, just like every other Tea Party wacko.
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Da Joos! Da Joos!
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Several media outlets are posting that his motivation was the zimmerman trial.
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So who is refusing to call this guy a terrorist? His actions and statements match the description of terrorism most perfectly. I also heard a race-baiter getting all frothy about how it should be called an assassination. I doubt anyone would object to that characterization either, provided the nut knew he was killing a political figure.
If thats the case, then there is something wrong with the definition of "terrorism" nowadays.
Isolated goons like Breivik, like Roof, like Monis are usually the kind of self-inspired social failures that commit these acts - and they usually share a lot of similarities with the rejects that shoot up kids in schools and colleges. Accepting them as "terrorists" threatens to give them a sort of legitmacy that they really do not deserve, because it accepts that their utterances have some sort of content when usually they are just the rantings of a diseased, lazy mind.
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If thats the case, then there is something wrong with the definition of "terrorism" nowadays.
Isolated goons like Breivik, like Roof, like Monis are usually the kind of self-inspired social failures that commit these acts - and they usually share a lot of similarities with the rejects that shoot up kids in schools and colleges. Accepting them as "terrorists" threatens to give them a sort of legitmacy that they really do not deserve, because it accepts that their utterances have some sort of content when usually they are just the rantings of a diseased, lazy mind.
So, you're saying that terrorism...is...legitimate?
Don't be silly. He killed noncombatants, more or less at random, to further a social/political viewpoint. That's terrorism.
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/foghorn/charleston-church-attacker-dylann-roofs-manifesto/
Please forgive any typos, I didnt have time to check it.
White people invented something called spell-check, so we could oppress all those ebonics-speaking people and such-like. It takes almost no time at all.
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So, you're saying that terrorism...is...legitimate?
Don't be silly. He killed noncombatants, more or less at random, to further a social/political viewpoint. That's terrorism.
No, I am saying that allowing Roof to claim he killed those folks for a reason is to allow him some form of legitimacy, given that one mans freedom fighter etc etc. Like it or not, throwing the term "terrorist" around for this kind of thing does make people think of PIRA, of the Irgun, of the Red Army Brigades, of Baader-Meinhof and the rest. He isnt one of those.
Roof is a murdering scumbag who shot nine innocents in a church. He really doesnt need any other label.
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Several media outlets are posting that his motivation was the zimmerman trial.
I read the manifesto, and that is a gross mischaracterization. The Zimmerman trial (and not to re-beat that dead horse, but what Roof saw as the railroading of Zimmerman) let to his researching of black on white crime which in turn led to a very dark corner of the internet.
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No, I am saying that allowing Roof to claim he killed those folks for a reason is to allow him some form of legitimacy, given that one mans freedom fighter etc etc. Like it or not, throwing the term "terrorist" around for this kind of thing does make people think of PIRA, of the Irgun, of the Red Army Brigades, of Baader-Meinhof and the rest. He isnt one of those.
Roof is a murdering scumbag who shot nine innocents in a church. He really doesnt need any other label.
He murdered a bunch of folks to incite race war, to provoke and terrorize the left wing racists.
He is a terrorist by definition.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorist
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/06/foghorn/charleston-church-attacker-dylann-roofs-manifesto/
White people invented something called spell-check, so we could oppress all those ebonics-speaking people and such-like. It takes almost no time at all.
I knew it! Spell check is racist. Dammit, I KNEW it!
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Wow, kudos to Charleston:
http://twitchy.com/2015/06/20/charleston-sc-adopts-gohomederay-hashtag-we-are-handling-it-with-grace-and-love-not-hatred/
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No, I am saying that allowing Roof to claim he killed those folks for a reason is to allow him some form of legitimacy, given that one mans freedom fighter etc etc. Like it or not, throwing the term "terrorist" around for this kind of thing does make people think of PIRA, of the Irgun, of the Red Army Brigades, of Baader-Meinhof and the rest. He isnt one of those.
Roof is a murdering scumbag who shot nine innocents in a church. He really doesnt need any other label.
Roof earned "terrorist" through his heinous actions and motives. Terrorism is what he did, so a terrorist he is. It is not an honorific title. It does not legitimize or validate anyone. If it lumps him in with other terrorists, who were also murdering scumbags who killed innocents in churches, or elsewhere,* then the word has done its job. The point of labels is to label things, and he is correctly labeled a terrorist. (All this mania against labeling things is rather stupid, isn't it? Our ability to label things is called speech, and it is one of those things that makes us higher than the animals.)
Roof, being human, had a label for those he killed. He had a reason for killing them, and not killing some other bunch of people. In that way, he's like the humans that flew airplanes into the World Trade Center and not the Taj Mahal. That a man has unreasonable reasons does not mean he has no reasons.
*I'm talking about terrorists, not freedom-fighters.
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Terrorists? Mentally Ill?
Why not both?
Looks like both.
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Terrorists? Mentally Ill?
Why not both?
Looks like both.
True.
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If his real and true aim is to enact political change through violence (race war) than yes, he is a terrorist. McVeigh was a terroirst. Malvo was a terrorist.
The real reason to fear the label is the fun and games that come when that label starts getting tossed around more freely.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/dylann-storm-roof-photos-website-charleston-church-shooting.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
This sheds more light on Mr. Roof.
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I read the manifesto, and that is a gross mischaracterization. The Zimmerman trial (and not to re-beat that dead horse, but what Roof saw as the railroading of Zimmerman) let to his researching of black on white crime which in turn led to a very dark corner of the internet.
A very pale white dark corner of the Internet.
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Terrorists? Mentally Ill?
Why not both?
Looks like both.
The guy doesn't strike me as particularly crazy. Stupid and ignorant, sure. He looks like he knew full well what he was doing, nothing delusional here.
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The guy doesn't strike me as particularly crazy. Stupid and ignorant, sure. He looks like he knew full well what he was doing, nothing delusional here.
Well, he did apparently believe his actions would kick off a race war; so I'd say there is some narcissism and delusion there.
Crazy; but culpable.
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Well, he did apparently believe his actions would kick off a race war; so I'd say there is some narcissism and delusion there.
Crazy; but culpable.
A reverse John Brown?
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Michael Z. Williamson has some thoughts regarding the cisracials,
http://www.michaelzwilliamson.com/blog/index.php?itemid=366
Well, really, he has one thought about the cisracials that he repeats several times. But he does it very well.
stay safe.
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And our governor just went retard. Not quite full retard, but some windows at the capital just got a bit cleaner.
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I thought the grievance against biracial couples usually came from black American women, or from immigrant parents who want their kids to marry one of their own.
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And our governor just went retard. Not quite full retard, but some windows at the capital just got a bit cleaner.
Sent this to All Senators and All Representatives:
I encourage you to resist the emotionalism currently swirling about regarding the tragic killings in Charleston and the racist bent of the alleged killer. Neither the flag in question nor the sociopolitical entity it represents are representative of the demented mindset of the killer. The current furor is not about anything but an attempt to gain traction by professional agents provocateur.
Mourn the victims and honor their memory. But do not think that you are doing that by surrendering to mob hysteria.
I might sleep better telling myself I tried.
stay safe.
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As usual the liberals can't figure it out. Let's go after something that is only vaguely, tangentially connected to the tragedy. I sincerely doubt that he saw the Stars and Bars and decided to be a racist and go shoot up a historically black church. Banning it, removing it, etc. will do absolutely nothing to change hearts and minds. Mr. Bowl-Cut would have done it no matter what there is...
At least they have somewhat figured out that existing laws, nor any of the other laws they have proposed would have stopped Mr. Whackadoodle from his bloody rampage.
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I thought the grievance against biracial couples usually came from black American women, or from immigrant parents who want their kids to marry one of their own.
Fistful, preaching against miscegenation has long been a staple of white supremacists and certain religious fundamentalists...up to and including dear Bob Jones Jr and Bob Jones III.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/marchweb-only/53.0.html
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Roof is a murdering scumbag who shot nine innocents in a church. He really doesnt need any other label.
Same thing that I told my wife when we were discussing it yesterday.
The media also should not publish his name or picture; just refer to him anonymously (when they can't avoid referring to him at all; the story really is newsworthy) using phrases like "the pathetic loser".
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Fistful, preaching against miscegenation has long been a staple of white supremacists and certain religious fundamentalists...
True, however the underlying issue is that tribalists of all types often encourage marriage within their group, whether that group is defined by race, religion or political ideology. When someone's self-identity is predominately defined by a particular characteristic, they tend to prioritize that characteristic. There may even be some practical benefit to such pairings over their alternatives. Perhaps in some cases shared cultural, religious or ideological backgrounds may provide some benefit to marital stability or avoid contention. Or maybe not, I don't really know.
All that to say both you and fistful are right: there are some white racists who denounce black/white couples and there are some black racists who denounce black/white couples.
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Fistful, preaching against miscegenation has long been a staple of white supremacists and certain religious fundamentalists...up to and including dear Bob Jones Jr and Bob Jones III.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/marchweb-only/53.0.html
I thought that went without saying. I was talking about the people one is most likely (I think) to actually find pitching a fit about it today. For every white social justice warrior that nerd-rages over it (or skinhead, or Biblically-challenged fundie), I would imagine there's a dozen non-whites of the type I mentioned.
The following proves nothing one way or another, but is somewhat related. Some time ago, I remember a mostly white/part-Native American friend of mine saying that her dad thought that black/white couplings were probably ill-advised, given the trouble it might put the kids through. Twenty years later, Dad went with her to India, to meet her new, dark-skinned, internet boyfriend (dot, not feather). Her whole family went thither for the wedding. Both families were deeply involved in Christian ministry, though obviously not of the Bob Jones variety. As it turned out, the guy was a bum, and left her after only a few years of marriage. There were no children.
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I thought that went without saying. I was talking about the people one is most likely (I think) to actually find pitching a fit about it today. For every white social justice warrior that nerd-rages over it (or skinhead, or Biblically-challenged fundie), I would imagine there's a dozen non-whites of the type I mentioned.
The following proves nothing one way or another, but is somewhat related. Some time ago, I remember a mostly white/part-Native American friend of mine saying that her dad thought that black/white couplings were probably ill-advised, given the trouble it might put the kids through. Twenty years later, Dad went with her to India, to meet her new, dark-skinned, internet boyfriend (dot, not feather). Her whole family went thither for the wedding. Both families were deeply involved in Christian ministry, though obviously not of the Bob Jones variety. As it turned out, the guy was a bum, and left her after only a few years of marriage. There were no children.
That's kind of my philosophy; mixed-race marriages are a really bad idea. They are also none of my business. I wish the young couple well; they're gonna need all the well-wishing they can get.
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A mixed couple should be aware that their kids will pay a price
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And one might wonder if keeping marriage within family might be a better idea. [popcorn]
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That's kind of my philosophy; mixed-race marriages are a really bad idea. They are also none of my business. I wish the young couple well; they're gonna need all the well-wishing they can get.
Wtf? Mixed race marriages are a bad idea why?
My view is that part of the problem with marriage is that it's become an institution - if people focused on ongoing commitment rather than mostly faux obligations they'd be better of
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Being of mixed race, in the current society where victim status is currency, only confers benefits. One of such heritage has the option of passing as white to avoid superficial prejudice, passing as black on job applications and scholarship applications, and blogging about how nobody is capable of understanding the horror she goes through every day (generic feminine pronoun used here for style, because you know she is going to do the same).
The only workable way to defeat racism is to keep breeding till we are all the same color.
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My view is that part of the problem with marriage is that it's become an institution - if people focused on ongoing commitment rather than mostly faux obligations they'd be better of
What "faux obligation"? ???
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What "faux obligation"? ???
The legal obligation in place of the moral obligation. It ultimately doesn't amount to anything.
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Wtf? Mixed race marriages are a bad idea why?
My view is that part of the problem with marriage is that it's become an institution - if people focused on ongoing commitment rather than mostly faux obligations they'd be better of
Marriage has been a codified "institution" in most cultures for millennia precisely because people do not necessarily maintain obligations of conscience. If we did, there would be no need for laws, their enforcement, or cultural mores.
(edit for typo)
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Fistful, preaching against miscegenation has long been a staple of white supremacists and certain religious fundamentalists...up to and including dear Bob Jones Jr and Bob Jones III.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miscegenation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/marchweb-only/53.0.html
Church we were at, there was an inter-racial couple. White guy, black lady. She recounted about how they had gone around town to various churches, white and black. She recounted about how a lot of pastors, white and black, didn't like their relationship. Until they got to that church. Pastor says "I have reservations about every couple, but never about race." And that's where they stayed.
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And one might wonder if keeping marriage within family might be a better idea. [popcorn]
Only in West Virginia.
And parts of Kentucky.
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Only in West Virginia.
And parts of Kentucky.
And has been Euro royals.
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The media also should not publish his name or picture; just refer to him anonymously (when they can't avoid referring to him at all; the story really is newsworthy) using phrases like "the pathetic loser".
I like this idea. You'd probably get fewer spree killers relatively quickly.
Make you famous? Nope, the only way to figure out who you were is a public information request. The only place 'your side of the story' is found is in dry academic texts for psychology and criminal behavior.
A mixed couple should be aware that their kids will pay a price
Which races? What price? In my experience there's a bit of 'mongrel vigor' going on with their children, healthy and good looking. Oh, and in most cases they still get the benefit of claiming the more disadvantaged race when it comes to all the affirmative action stuff. Heck, more so. I've seen racist types forced into affirmative action preferring to hire quadroons rather than a 'pure' black. They counted towards quota, but weren't as 'offensive'.
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And has been Euro royals.
Typical ableism. Hemophilia is not a "disability", it's a culture. :mad:
:lol:
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Only in West Virginia.
And parts of Kentucky.
What have you got against Okies? Or the crackers in the swamps of Florida & Georgia? Or royalty in general? Or -- and the list goes on and on.
stay safe.
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And has been Euro royals.
And the Targaryens.
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I have sadly come to accept the fact of Celt-Saxon intermarriage :P
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I have sadly come to accept the fact of Celt-Saxon intermarriage :P
Prince Athelstane thanks you for your sympathy to his tale of woad.
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I have sadly come to accept the fact of Celt-Saxon intermarriage :P
Nailed it
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
According to this, white supremacists, anti-government activists and other non-Muslim extremists have almost twice the death toll of Muslim extremists in attacks in the USA since 9/11. Huh.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/tally-of-attacks-in-us-challenges-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
According to this, white supremacists, anti-government activists and other non-Muslim extremists have almost twice the death toll of Muslim extremists in attacks in the USA since 9/11. Huh.
That's a rather convenient line to draw, considering how that one event dwarfs the "right-wing terrorists" attacks by sixty-fold.
That also seems to me to vindicate President Bush's "kill them over there so we won't have to fight them here" philosophy.
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Heard where President Obama is going to give the eulogy for the pastor on Friday. Hope he actually speaks about the man and not make it political. If I was a family member and he were to start making political statements I would more than likely cut his "speech" short.
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Heard where President Obama is going to give the eulogy for the pastor on Friday. Hope he actually speaks about the man and not make it political. If I was a family member and he were to start making political statements I would more than likely cut his "speech" short.
I don't think Obama is capable of giving a speech and it not being political. Alinsky uber alles.
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I don't think Obama is capable of giving a speech and it not being political. Alinsky uber alles.
12 year old kid takes on POTUS. Video of dark green helicopters and SWAT shooting his dog mysteriously absent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=161&v=6siu-WLOPKI
stay safe.
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Heard where President Obama is going to give the eulogy for the pastor on Friday. Hope he actually speaks about the man and not make it political. If I was a family member and he were to start making political statements I would more than likely cut his "speech" short.
Surely you jest. There's no way you'd really expect such a thing.
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Deleted. My mistake.
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Surely you jest. There's no way you'd really expect such a thing.
lipunis - Crusher of hopes and dreams.
stay sasfe.
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I'll post this little linky here to illustrate the scale of Mr. Bowl Cut's mayhem vs that found in Chicago for this year:
http://heyjackass.com/
As of 24JUN2015:
Total Homicides: 211
Number of black homicide victims: 154
Percentage of perpetrators known to be black: 71.5%
Number of homicides for the current week: 5
Number of homicides for the current month: 39
Currently, someone is murdered in Chicago every 19 hours and 47 minutes.
Chicago is averaging 8.11 homicides per week thus far.
Do mash the link as there is a bunch of great data tables and charts.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fheyjackass.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F01%2Frace-2015.png&hash=6e4b4f2bdc414d70a8179083955908e501f4c6bd)
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If only Mr Bowl Cut were black and less choosy, no one would care (dare) to make a big deal of his crimes.
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Hope I live long enough to see this carried out.
Fourth Circuit Panel Unanimously Upholds Dylann Roof’s Death Sentence
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/fourth-circuit-panel-unanimously-upholds-dylann-roofs-death-sentence/