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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on August 17, 2023, 06:57:44 PM
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What difference, at this point, does it make? :rofl:
We have a rare west coast hurricane fixing to shoot up the Baja Gulf, straight up the Colorado River channel and up over Nevada and eastern Oregon. Gonna drop a lot of valuable precipitation onto the Sierra Nevadas, the Hualapais, the Kaibab Plateau, the Shoshones, and the Southern Cascade range if it actually holds to projected tracks, but I'm skeptical it will remain on a due north track and will veer more to the east, over Phoenix and Flagstaff and Salt Lake City.
Suppose we'll hear more whinging from California? Their reservoirs got filled to capacity from this winter's snowmelt, but I'm sure they can come up with some reason to complain about rain in the Southwest.
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I went to a public hearing put on by the AZ DOT last night about a rural byway that's been shut down for 4 years due to fire and storm damage in 2019 (SR88 between Apache Junction and Roosevelt Lake). One take-away pertinent to this thread that I heard from one attendee was that there's a bill in Congress (HR 1607) aiming to increase the capacity of the reservoirs on the Salt River system. Roosevelt Lake and Dam was certified a while back to be able to fill over 100% capacity, and we hit peak capacity this year. Adding a few more tens of thousands of acre-feet to the system can't hurt.
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Of course ADOT wants $100+ million from the feds to pave what is a beloved dirt road, add facilities that no one wants, and to drag the whole thing out over 5-10 years so that the businesses affected by the area closure can be driven to close and sold at firesale prices to people connected to the construction project, to be reopened when the road is reopened. Everyone at the meeting was livid at ADOT for leaving it closed this long under the guise of vegetation regrowth to stabilize hillsides; it should have been opened to at least allow sub-50-inch width vehicles to traverse as a "motorized trail."
When pressed, they admitted that the road could be reopened for about $3.7 million, but they don't want to do that. They also were pressed for maintenance records for drainages on the road for 2017/2018/2019, and admitted the funds were diverted to other projects elsewhere in the State. Many boos ensued.
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What difference, at this point, does it make? :rofl:
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What are you, some kind of do-gooder? Don't go to those meetings.
The PTB (Powers That Be) got to be the PTB usually because of chicanery, duplicity, slullduggery, sub rosa dealings, etc, and it's hard for the ordinary mortal to counter that without embracing those same characteristics.
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Terry. 230RN
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. . . They also were pressed for maintenance records for drainages on the road for 2017/2018/2019, and admitted the funds were diverted to other projects elsewhere in the State. Many boos ensued . . .
But I bet the diversion didn't actually violate the letter of the law, at least in a way that would result in criminal charges against the individuals involved in the diversion. Fill out the paperwork, and spending public funds is a GREAT path to private enrichment. The money wasn't literally set on fire, it ended up in SOMEONE'S pocket. Which, no doubt, was the whole point.
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Back on the hurricane, it's looking like Joshua Tree NP and Death Valley are going to get hit REALLY hard.
Death Valley and Joshua Tree got hit really hard last year, too, with washouts on roads and stranded motorists and it hadn't been fully repaired at this point. I did a dual sport ride on the southern California Backcountry Discovery Route ("BDR") back in February of this year and those dirt backroads were absolutely hammered. I was burning clutch on my new Tuareg in at least a foot of sand, for miles, on parts of it.
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So I just started researching track projections for this storm and its center actually shifted west, which amazes me. At the same time, the projected path has picked up more curl to the east today, so that now Arizona and Utah may get more precipitation from it.
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I predict a lot of suicides
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https://twitter.com/johnhackerla/status/1692392959252340982
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NWS is reporting that even SW Idaho is going to get some of it. Nothing to write home about - around a half inch a day, but supposedly in short, heavy rain events, which always bring some flooding to the desert.
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I guess we will know by Monday how it will play out.
Lots more potential Hurricane activity in the Atlantic also. September might be interesting.
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Appropriate name for a destructive storm, don't you think? >:D :rofl:
The noon news say the storm is up to a Level 4 now and is about 500 miles wide.
LA is going to get a good washing. ;)
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Well, I had to google. No hurricane Monica anytime soon. Much disappointment because we know that one blows.
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Hillary, when it gets North and to Tropical storm strength, will be the first tropical storm to hit CA since 1939.
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Deaths Caused By Hurricane Hilary To Be Labeled Suicides
https://babylonbee.com/news/deaths-caused-by-hurricane-hilary-to-be-labeled-suicides
Californians Prepare For Hurricane By Nailing Plywood Boards Onto Their Tent Flaps
https://babylonbee.com/news/californians-prepare-for-hurricane-by-nailing-plywood-boards-onto-their-tent-flaps
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Could sure use a shot of moisture here. Had a blessedly wet Spring, but three months of regular Century-plus daytime temps and sub-20% RH haven't been kind.
Brad
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Same here. I am sure it is not as dry here on the Texas Gulf Coast, but it is pretty dry. Rain coming across West Texas and Central Texas would help us out here.
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Interestingly, we're on flood watch in SW Idaho for the next two days. I just texted my nephew in law in Redondo Beach, CA, and they're getting hammered right now, but he said no worse than any other big pacific storm. He said that there were ginormous lines at the gas stations yesterday and people were buying TP and stuff like it was covid. A friend up the coast in Santa Barbara told me they're getting nothing.
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I saw a post about lines at stores in California stocking up. A little late now. If a hurricane is coming in here, the stores are dang near empty of stock the day before landfall. You are down to bread and peanut butter along with some canned stuff.
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I just texted my nephew in law in Redondo Beach, CA, and they're getting hammered right now, but he said no worse than any other big pacific storm.
But it's Climate, please make your checks out to the DNC, Change Historic!
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(https://i.redd.it/hurricane-hillary-v0-rttgiogxlbjb1.jpg?s=3c053a52fc5dc57cb07c70ae0dd793323446aad2)
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An Earthquake hit SoCal just as Hillary made landfall. Maybe it actually will fall into the ocean. :rofl:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-residents-feel-magnitude-earthquake-tropical-storm-hilary-descends-region
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An Earthquake hit SoCal just as Hillary made landfall. Maybe it actually will fall into the ocean. :rofl:
https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-residents-feel-magnitude-earthquake-tropical-storm-hilary-descends-region
Hillary claims earthquake to blame for SoCal property damage.
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Hillary claims earthquake to blame for SoCal property damage.
It's was a self inflicted earthquake
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Isn't a 5.1 pretty normal on just about any day that ends in Y in CA?
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Isn't a 5.1 pretty normal on just about any day that ends in Y in CA?
I was in CA on a business trip once and a 3.1 centered about 8 miles from my hotel woke me up in the middle of the night - at first, I thought there was an intruder in my room that stumbled against my bed. Locals talked about it, but it wasn't a big deal.
A 5.1 would be considerably more noticeable, and would probably get the attention of long time CA residents. I'd expect little or no damage in a state like CA.
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Isn't a 5.1 pretty normal on just about any day that ends in Y in CA?
Low fives are definitely noticeable. Depending on the waveform and length, it might be a shoulder shrug or it might be a "better step into the doorframe" quake.
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I hope the flooding hasn't hit people too hard. I saw some video from Las Vegas. Has that been common everywhere?
Hurricane activity on my end has been quiet all summer, but now there are storms lined up across the Atlantic. Thankfully, most are not headed this way. Just one storm system moving across the Gulf of Mexico right now.
(https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/xgtwo/two_atl_0d0.png?211147)
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I was in CA on a business trip once and a 3.1 centered about 8 miles from my hotel woke me up in the middle of the night - at first, I thought there was an intruder in my room that stumbled against my bed. Locals talked about it, but it wasn't a big deal.
A 5.1 would be considerably more noticeable, and would probably get the attention of long time CA residents. I'd expect little or no damage in a state like CA.
Low fives are definitely noticeable. Depending on the waveform and length, it might be a shoulder shrug or it might be a "better step into the doorframe" quake.
I was exaggerating somewhat.
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:rofl:
Hurricane Hilary made landfall today in California, quickly destroying tens of thousands of emails upon her arrival.
"My house is fine, but my email server -- annihilated," said San Diego resident Jim McKay. "Nature is so weird like that."
Hilary Makes Landfall, Destroying Over 30,000 Emails
https://babylonbee.com/news/hilary-makes-landfall-destroys-over-30000-emails
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More
Californians Hoping Hurricane Will Wash All Poop Off Sidewalks
https://babylonbee.com/news/californians-hoping-hurricane-will-wash-all-poop-off-sidewalks
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We're getting a lovely little rain shower here in Mesa.
I'm hoping for considerable precipitation from the Sierra Nevadas to the Colorado Plateau, something that adds a few thousand acre-feet to each of the big reservoirs on the Colorado River. Supposedly Palm Springs drains to the Salton Sea, which makes that water pretty useless to my understanding. Death Valley probably can't drain anywhere, being lower than everywhere. It is sandy though, so the water should get down into aquifers in the area.
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Well, I had to google. No hurricane Monica anytime soon. Much disappointment because we know that one blows.
Be careful.
That was the name of my now-deceased ex-wife. :facepalm: ;/
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Well, I had to google. No hurricane Monica anytime soon. Much disappointment because we know that one blows.
Be careful.
That was the name of my now-deceased ex-wife. :facepalm: ;/
Monica as in Monica Lewinsky
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We had a nice steady rain most of the night. A few flooded roads which they expect to add to today as debris flows down from Mt. Charleston into the valley. The retention basin in our community did what it was supposed to do so it is a small pond this morning. In a day or so I will have to go look at it because it doubles as a walking area and snake habitat for our subdivision.
bob
eta: It seems I had a Home Depot bucket out on the patio in a nice location to catch rain. It measures right at 3". That is a very good amount of rain for us. Not quite a years worth of rain (4.83") but close enough.
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I've got 1.6" so far at my place. Might get a little more, but it looks like it's slowing down. Started at around 0400. There were a couple of good downpours that pretty quickly showed me where on the driveway and shop area I need to do some grading. :rofl:
Otherwise, it's been a slow, steady rain with very little wind. Great for the fields. I won't have to irrigate for a couple of weeks now. My friend in Santa Barbara told me they only got like 0.15". SE Oregon and SW Idaho seem to have been right in the storm track. Over in Boise I don't think they've even got a half inch yet.
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Weak Hurricane Hilary Performance Blamed On Russian Interference
https://babylonbee.com/news/weak-hurricane-hilary-performance-blamed-on-russian-interference
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Monica as in Monica Lewinsky
:facepalm: I know that. I just had to let you know. =D :rofl:
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Wasn't she the one who coined the phrase "Presidential kneepads?"
Something like this?
(https://assets.yandycdn.com/Products/ML_7136_BlackRed_2021JAN29178.jpg)
(https://media.tenor.com/ZoVfJwzAFIAAAAAC/no-power-power-outage.gif)
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Tropical storm or disturbance is hitting Texas now. Looks like it will give South Texas plenty of rain, probably missing the Austin area entirely.
So our drought continues to worsen. =(
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Tropical storm or disturbance is hitting Texas now. Looks like it will give South Texas plenty of rain, probably missing the Austin area entirely.
So our drought continues to worsen. =(
Looks stormy on the Starbase live feed
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Following Hurricane, California's Homeless Begin The Hard Work Of Re-Pooping All The Sidewalks
https://babylonbee.com/news/following-hurricane-californias-homeless-population-gets-down-to-the-thankless-task-of-re-pooping-all-the-sidewalks
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Tropical storm or disturbance is hitting Texas now. Looks like it will give South Texas plenty of rain, probably missing the Austin area entirely.
So our drought continues to worsen. =(
OK, I was wrong . . . we DID get rain today - just barely enough to wet the driveway, too little to measure with the rain gauge. At least it kicked the dewpoint up a few points into the mid '70s.
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OMG Climate Change!
I thought this NBC story was interesting. They were talking about Hillary's unusual track that brought anomalous rain to the intermountain West. On the one hand, they're always talking about how drought is going to kill us all and destroy farmland, but of course they put a negative spin on this rain with the "historic rain will become more common" line.
I don't know about anywhere else, but Idaho handled it all just fine, and walking the pastures on patrol this morning, they are all looking like they do in Spring just before the cows come in. Usually this time of year my cow guy is pulling 5-15 cows out for a month because the pastures can't keep up with them. This month, he may be bringing extra cows in. The farmers here are kinda hoping for this "historic rain" to be a more common occurrence. :laugh:
I mean, I guess Nevada got hit pretty good, but it seems to be mostly in the South, and even then (BobR can correct me) it seems the news was overblowing some stuff. I saw several Youtube videos of "flooded roads" around Death Valley, and we're talking like inches rather than feet. One of the Youtubers was filming himself driving across the "unpassable" road in his SUV while he was talking about it. :rofl:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/four-states-broke-rainfall-records-tropical-storm-hilary-rcna101234
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^^^
It is easy to overstate the effect of rain in the desert, then again because the ground does not soak it up like normal soil just a few inches can be pretty sporty. Add into that most populated areas in Southern Nevada are in a valley so everything likes to come to town. Death Valley is even worse. They have roads wash out with nearly every good rain. I haven't heard how it went over there this time other than the fact quite a few roads were impassable due to washouts, overflow and debris.
Here is Pahrump we had a mere 3" of rain, but Mount Charleston and the surrounding hill got upwards of 7.5 inches and that rain only has one place to go, downhill. We had a few roads with water and debris closed down but actually it wasn't too bad. A few low spots around town flooded. North of us toward Tonopah a road now has a piece gone.
This article has 4 pictures.
From what I understand Las Vegas got nothing more than a normal monsoon rain.
https://pvtimes.com/news/aftermath-of-hillary-pahrump-dodges-storms-bullet-124053/
bob
eta: Some Death Valley pictures. https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/devastation-in-death-valley-as-photos-show-flood-damage-park-to-reopen-in-stages-over-weeks-ahead/ar-AA1fGV2x?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=4107b435f0a2409394249ae337b0060a&ei=4