Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 01, 2008, 07:53:58 PM
He lost my vote. I was going to hold my nose and vote for him, but now... no way.
If Obama wins... I have my guns.
If McCain wins... I have my guns.
If I LOSE BY FAILING TO VOTE FOR A NON-SOCIALIST, I don't deserve my guns.
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Post by: longeyes on October 01, 2008, 08:00:49 PM
I think McCain has lost his way, perhaps irreparably. If he doesn't come out like a lion for the next debate and make clear why Americans have to vote for HIM and HIM ONLY, he can kiss this Election goodbye.
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You think you'll have your guns if Obama's elected? Interesting. Heller prevailed 5-4. I'll wager you you'll see a de facto repeal of the Second Amendment, as we understand it, within four years if Obama's elected. You have to realize that disarming the American citizenry is a major priority of the Left, along with muzzling dissident conservative voices through the "Fairness Doctrine."
Post by: MicroBalrog on October 01, 2008, 08:02:33 PM
Post by: longeyes on October 01, 2008, 08:13:20 PM
I think McCain's basically a liberal, just as Bush is. Therein lies our problem. Whether there are enough Americans left who believe in what the country has traditionally stood for is the real issue. I personally don't think there are. I think demographic trends are skewed against us and will get worse. We have lost too many of the younger generation. We have a lot of people voting who haven't a clue about the issues.
Draw your own conclusions.
Post by: Leatherneck on October 02, 2008, 02:01:35 AM
TC
Post by: The Annoyed Man on October 02, 2008, 03:02:55 AM
So what's the point of electing a Republican PResident?
We [might] get to keep our guns.
Of course, there won't be much left to defend with them.
Post by: Intune on October 02, 2008, 03:36:22 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on October 02, 2008, 03:44:50 AM
If Obama wins... I have my guns.
No you won't. Not for long, anyway.
I would still rather have a third-rate fireman than a first-rate arsonist.
Post by: Intune on October 02, 2008, 04:00:50 AM
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I would still rather have a third-rate fireman than a first-rate arsonist.
That Sir, is worthy of a standing cyber ovation! Well said.
Post by: ronnyreagan on October 02, 2008, 04:14:43 AM
) and just because Obama is slightly worse, doesn't mean I'll vote for whoever he's against. The two party system continues because people allow it too, because they get scared into voting for the guy who's not quite as bad. The scare tactics of "He'll take your guns and socialize everything" is what got us the last eight years, and I've had a enough. Does anyone really believe that the democratic nominee is really the "the most liberal gun grabbing communist of all time" EVERY SINGLE ELECTION? The GOP has lost it's way and it will not return to it's roots if you keep rewarding it's failures.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 02, 2008, 04:17:44 AM
The two party system continues because people allow it too, because they get scared into voting for the guy who's not quite as bad. The scare tactics of "He'll take your guns and socialize everything" is what got us the last eight years, and I've had a enough. Does anyone really believe that the democratic nominee is really the "the most liberal gun grabbing communist of all time" EVERY SINGLE ELECTION? The GOP has lost it's way and it will not return to it's roots if you keep rewarding it's failures.
Everytime? No. This time? HELL YES.
Obama's first mentor was an infamous communist party member. His friend is an unapologetic leftist terrorist. He's heavily funded by Soros. His "experience" is as a "community organizer" trying to find ways to get more food stamps and entitlements out of the government. And he has said he favors a ban on all semiautomatic weapons and a national ban on concealed carry for all but cops and military.
He IS a communist. It's not crying wolf, this time.
Post by: MicroBalrog on October 02, 2008, 04:21:48 AM
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It's not crying wolf, this time.
Do you remember how that story ends, Maned?
The boy gets eaten.
Post by: agricola on October 02, 2008, 04:32:23 AM
I did think McCain would win up until the last couple of days, but his inaction this past week has been hugely detrimental to his campaign.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 02, 2008, 04:44:26 AM
Goldman-Sachs becomes even more powerful than before, now that they've been able to get rid of $20 billion in losses due to exposure to AIG and get a bigger stake in things seized and sold for pennies on the dollar. In addition, their competitors such as Lehman have all but been destroyed.
Paulson retires, and is promptly re-hired by Goldman-Sachs. Nobody does a thing about it.
They'll write songs about the biggest con job in US history, someday.
Post by: longeyes on October 02, 2008, 06:56:09 AM
Who cares?
Cultivate your garden.
Post by: coppertales on October 02, 2008, 08:35:26 AM
Post by: LAK on October 03, 2008, 05:06:44 AM
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I think McCain has lost his way, perhaps irreparably
McCain is just another member of the status quo brigade - the people that have been fleecing us for many decades and brought this upon us to begin with. That's where his bread is buttered and he knows it good and well.His position on this bailout robbery does not surprize me at all.
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Post by: longeyes on October 03, 2008, 05:33:43 AM
Whether McCain is or isn't a "maverick" isn't the issue, it's that on the things that matter, at least to me, his instincts are either wrong, off-center, or outright naive. The bills he has co-authored in recent years identify him, and every one of them is misbegotten and deeply dangerous to the Republic.
That said, we have no choice but to hope he wins and can be steered in a better direction. The alternative is a Chicago brownshirt.
Post by: C.latrans on October 05, 2008, 04:07:00 PM
Post by: De Selby on October 05, 2008, 05:16:13 PM
My answer: Neither Obama nor McCain.
Post by: TommyGunn on October 05, 2008, 05:43:05 PM
What it really comes down to is whether or not you find it acceptable to vote for the "lesser of two evils." Some people think the difference is too great, and allowing the greater evil to win would be too much for this country to survive (intact). I personally don't think so. I cannot vote for McCain because that would be a signal to the Republican party that this is ok, that he represents my ideals and I support him. I'm no more worried about an Obama presidency than McCain (however, a Palin presidency terrifies me.
I wish I knew why some people are so friggin' scared of Sarah Palin. While she doesn't have the depth of background that some might like for a VP, when you deal with Obama's side of the aisle, HE'S the one with the light resume, and Biden's resume, while pretty thick, is that way 'cause it's chock full of errors, wrongheaded policy goofs and other flubs.
McCain wasn't my first choice.
But when I want to panic myself over what's ahead of us I look at Obama/Biden.
Post by: Waitone on October 05, 2008, 06:17:20 PM
McCain's Reform Institute was funded by Soros. The funding started up right after McCain was able to deliver campaign finance reform. You remember, the legislation that empowered 527's and seriously hindered parties. Who's the biggest practitioner of 527 arts? Why none other that Soros.
Anyone catch a pattern here?
Post by: De Selby on October 05, 2008, 09:13:08 PM
Don't slam O'Bama because he was funded by Soros.
McCain's Reform Institute was funded by Soros. The funding started up right after McCain was able to deliver campaign finance reform. You remember, the legislation that empowered 527's and seriously hindered parties. Who's the biggest practitioner of 527 arts? Why none other that Soros.
Anyone catch a pattern here?
Yeah-the same policies repeated by both candidates for the presidency. It makes sense-they both work for the same interest groups, essentially.
We don't have the option this election to vote on a different direction for America. The only option we have is to vote for different lip service to various projects whose outcome will be determined by the political winds of the moment, and not by the President.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 05, 2008, 09:53:16 PM
No matter how bad things get, never underestimate the ability of government to make them worse.
Post by: longeyes on October 05, 2008, 10:16:15 PM
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I wish I knew why some people are so friggin' scared of Sarah Palin.
They think she represents a proto-Nazi "volk" movement. NASCAR uber alles, that sort of thing. Of course totalitarian movements begin with the "intellectuals," as I recall...
Soros funds both sides, because both sides are really either only one side or just dialectical pawns being played by higher powers. There were people funding both the Communists and the Nazis, what else is new?
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on October 08, 2008, 09:39:31 PM
http://www.johnmccain.com/unsubscribe/
I filled it out, let the senator know that he lost my vote, and exactly how he lost my vote. Maybe if he gets enough of these, he'll figure it out and flip flop for his own sake and that of our country before the election.
God knows he's only going to piss off Obama supporters by doing so. The rest of us who might have otherwise supported him and are now walking, need to hear this. We're the statistical toss-up numbers that he's losing the election to.
Your "normal" conservatives will vote for him regardless of his stance on Amnesty or Bailout since he isn't Obama.
He's gonna lose by however much Bob Barr surges in this last month. And I'm okay with that. I want 2010 to hurry up and get here so we get a new Contract With America.
Post by: slingshot on October 08, 2008, 09:42:59 PM