Author Topic: Mexico angered by decision to increase security at border. (Read 10543 times)

Lee · « **Reply #50 on:** October 06, 2006, 10:01:48 AM »

"If your very first act of being here is breaking the law by being here, followed closely by fraudulent ID procurement"

That would probably define 'bad' immigration. Good would be legal...involving no sneaking across the border or subsequent fraud.

richyoung · « **Reply #51 on:** October 06, 2006, 10:06:06 AM »

So stipulated...

Nightfall · « **Reply #52 on:** October 06, 2006, 10:52:43 AM »

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...new fencing along the border. Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez called it an "offense" and said Wednesday his office was considering taking the issue to the United Nations.

Where's the vomit smilie when you need him?

Desertdog · « **Reply #53 on:** October 06, 2006, 12:10:04 PM »

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I'll use very small words. Do you know what an immigrant is?

FYI
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/immigrant
imÂ·miÂ·grant (m-grnt) KEY
NOUN:
A person who leaves one country to settle permanently in another.
A plant or animal that establishes itself in an area where it previously did not exist.
ADJECTIVE:
Of or relating to immigrants or the act of immigrating.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/illegal;_ylt=AvoWFuo2qgGyjA6ZhkrKuS.sgMMF
ilÂ·leÂ·gal (-lgl) KEY
ADJECTIVE:
Prohibited by law. Prohibited by official rules: an illegal pass in football.
Unacceptable to or not performable by a computer: an illegal operation.
NOUN:
An illegal immigrant.

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/search;_ylt=AjMh.Kldi3Y60Gp5Eq9lEO2qgMMF?p=alien
aÂ·liÂ·en (l-n, lyn) KEY
ADJECTIVE:
Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.
Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.
NOUN:

An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen .
A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.

Stand_watie · « **Reply #54 on:** October 06, 2006, 04:05:06 PM »

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But since you already agree that legal immigration is a good thing (and it is) and here is a solution to make all immigrants legal, then you'll also agree that immigration benefits society while drugs damage society. So there is a huge difference between the two on that score.

swap the words around...

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But since you already agree that legal drugs are a good thing (and they are) and here is a solution to make all drugs legal, then you'll also agree that drugs benefit society while immigration damages society. So there is a huge difference between the two on that score.

Just as much logic.

But I dont think legal drugs are a good thing. I think narcotics are inherently bad and their use is a detriment to society. Will you argue that narcotic use is beneficial overall? Thanks, you proved my point maybe better than I could.

Yes, you do, you just redefined the word "drugs" to mean something different than it really means.

No, I didn't.

Yes, and I take it you have your own definition for "narcotics" as well. LSD and Marijuana are not narcotics by the way, and many cough medicines are.

Declaration that you have scored a point is a poor substitute for a reasoned argument.

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We aren't talkinng about pharmaceuticals, as you well know. Unless, like other members here, you can't differentiate coffee from cocaine.

Cocaine is a pharmaceutical, as are the vast majority of narcotics.

Lee · « **Reply #55 on:** October 06, 2006, 04:24:16 PM »

"Can we move the UN south of the wall?"

Well yes, if Chavez relocates them to Venezuela. Then we can keep them out as well.
I'm liking that fat little commie more every day.

Buy Sunoco!!!

Ron · « **Reply #56 on:** October 06, 2006, 07:33:54 PM »

Rabbi, I have zero problem with the hordes of Mexicans that have come across the border. You and I are very close on the "open" borders point. My problem with illegal immigration is not economic.

It is the unregulated flow across the border that bothers me. How can a soverign nations government protect its people if its borders are not regulated. I have no problem with letting thousands of migrant workers come to the USA and do the jobs......yes......that no one wants. Does that mean we let them in willy nilly with no oversight?

Unregulated leaving the country, no problem. Coming into the country, we should know who they are before letting them pass.

gunsmith · « **Reply #57 on:** October 07, 2006, 11:37:12 AM »

"Free societies welcome people."

So when will Mexico become a free society? and all the other countries that export their troulbles here?
I couldn't legally work in Ireland when I lived there, I can't legaly work in Mexico.
I want reciprocity with any country that wants to act like the USA is theirs

Glock Glockler · « **Reply #58 on:** October 07, 2006, 02:12:34 PM »

Rabbi,

Is Europe the better with all it's Muslim immigrants?

garyk/nm · « **Reply #59 on:** October 07, 2006, 03:06:05 PM »

I guess I would be angered too, if my main relief valve for getting rid of disaffected/ rabble-rousing constituents were threatened. The only way Mexico's current elitist government can stay in power is to export anyone who doesn't go along with keeping them in control.
Do I care? Not in the least. It's kinda fun to watch. Until they start sending the disaffected my way, then I will care a LOT !!!
Your problem, YOU deal with it!!!!

Standing Wolf · « **Reply #60 on:** October 07, 2006, 04:51:58 PM »

We should forment a revolution in Mexico.

roo_ster · « **Reply #61 on:** October 07, 2006, 05:20:41 PM »

Fastest way to foment change in Mexico is to close off the illegal immigration.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #62 on:** October 07, 2006, 05:36:59 PM »

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No, really I am that stupid. I would like to know what "good" immigration is vs "bad" immigration.

Due to time constraints, I'll keep it short. Good immigration involves good immigrants and they should be encourage to come. Bad immigration involves bad immigrants, and they have to be kept out. If you claim not to know the difference between good and bad immigrants, it will be obvious that you are lying.

richyoung · « **Reply #63 on:** October 10, 2006, 06:22:38 AM »

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Fastest way to foment change in Mexico is to close off the illegal immigration.

+1 - the class system down there will tumble fast - the problem is preventing a communist/socialist takeover, which would be as bad, or worse.

The Rabbi · « **Reply #64 on:** October 10, 2006, 08:09:22 AM »

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No, really I am that stupid. I would like to know what "good" immigration is vs "bad" immigration.

Due to time constraints, I'll keep it short. Good immigration involves good immigrants and they should be encourage to come. Bad immigration involves bad immigrants, and they have to be kept out. If you claim not to know the difference between good and bad immigrants, it will be obvious that you are lying.

Good. So in your earlier post you say we should stop bad immigration, which you admit in this post is impossible to do. Next time try suggesting a solution that might work.

richyoung · « **Reply #65 on:** October 10, 2006, 08:11:33 AM »

Quote from: The Rabbi

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Quote from: The Rabbi

No, really I am that stupid. I would like to know what "good" immigration is vs "bad" immigration.

Due to time constraints, I'll keep it short. Good immigration involves good immigrants and they should be encourage to come. Bad immigration involves bad immigrants, and they have to be kept out. If you claim not to know the difference between good and bad immigrants, it will be obvious that you are lying.

Good. So in your earlier post you say we should stop bad immigration, which you admit in this post is impossible to do. Next time try suggesting a solution that might work.

Lots of former East German border guards with no current job and a lifetime of training in regulating the movement (or lack thereof) of people across political bourders. I suppose importing them from North Korea is currently out of the question...

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #66 on:** October 10, 2006, 08:26:58 AM »

Rabbi, how did I admit it is impossible?

richyoung · « **Reply #67 on:** October 10, 2006, 08:44:57 AM »

I forgat another option:

"The Princess Diana Memorial U.S. - Mexican Minefield"...

The Rabbi · « **Reply #68 on:** October 10, 2006, 09:21:56 AM »

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Rabbi, how did I admit it is impossible?

Sorry, you are right. You did not admit it. But you should have. Because there is little to no way of knowing whether someone is a good immigrant or a bad one. Same with gun owners.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #69 on:** October 10, 2006, 09:27:49 AM »

Rabbi, it should be clear from my earlier post what I think of your opinion on that.

The Rabbi · « **Reply #70 on:** October 10, 2006, 09:36:31 AM »

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Rabbi, it should be clear from my earlier post what I think of your opinion on that.

It isn't. Nor does that bother me. When challenged on a statement you give some vague pablum that would work nowhere in the real world. No one has offered a solution involving stopping immigration that has any chance of working, without gutting whatever freedoms we have. The one objection to my open immigration idea was riddled with emotional arguments that didnt stand up to scrutiny.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #71 on:** October 10, 2006, 09:44:25 AM »

I thought you would remember this:

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If you claim not to know the difference between good and bad immigrants, it will be obvious that you are lying.

I think they had some idea of the difference back at Ellis Island. The ICE seems to have some standard, or why else is it difficult to get in legally? Just so you know, I'm open to lowering those requirements in order to ease legal entry.

Surely you are not saying that any terrorist, serial rapist or MS-13 member is welcome here.

The Rabbi · « **Reply #72 on:** October 10, 2006, 09:50:28 AM »

Quote from: fistful

I thought you would remember this:

Quote from: fistful

If you claim not to know the difference between good and bad immigrants, it will be obvious that you are lying.

I think they had some idea of the difference back at Ellis Island. The ICE seems to have some standard, or why else is it difficult to get in legally? Just so you know, I'm open to lowering those requirements in order to ease legal entry.

Surely you are not saying that any terrorist, serial rapist or MS-13 member is welcome here.

How will you tell the difference? All the 9/11 hijackers were here legally.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #73 on:** October 10, 2006, 09:52:07 AM »

OK then, you're right, we'll just give up.

Desertdog · « **Reply #74 on:** October 10, 2006, 10:23:10 AM »

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All the 9/11 hijackers were here legally.

They did arrive in the USA legally, but were they legal when they hijacked the planes, or had they overstayed their visas.

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Author Topic: Mexico angered by decision to increase security at border. (Read 10543 times)

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