Author Topic: What does Obama stand for? (Read 13458 times)

Grandpa Shooter · « **on:** June 27, 2008, 06:09:22 AM »

I have been following the upcoming election quite loosely, waiting for the candidates to be chosen by their parties. Having read what I have I am still puzzled trying to figure out what Obama stands for. I am reminded of the phrase from one of my favorite songs, "You gotta stand for something, or you'll fall for anything".

I don't need any explanation of the sort of O B A M A being the acronym for something derogatory. I am serious in my confusion. The only two things I have heard or read repeatedly are "hope" and "change" What does the man actually stand for? He says something and then retracts it. Affirms something and then denies it.

What solid unchanging principles does the man stand on? If you think you understand, would you be so kind as to explain it to me. I have been an avid watcher since 1968 and have never been as confused as I am about this election. undecided

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #1 on:** June 27, 2008, 06:09:52 AM »

Turning America into yet another European country.

longeyes · « **Reply #2 on:** June 27, 2008, 07:57:39 AM »

I think you mean Eastern European--before the fall of the USSR.

old school · « **Reply #3 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:16:03 AM »

Quote from: Grandpa Shooter on June 27, 2008, 05:09:22 AM

I have been following the upcoming election quite loosely, waiting for the candidates to be chosen by their parties. Having read what I have I am still puzzled trying to figure out what Obama stands for. I am reminded of the phrase from one of my favorite songs, "You gotta stand for something, or you'll fall for anything".

I don't need any explanation of the sort of O B A M A being the acronym for something derogatory. I am serious in my confusion. The only two things I have heard or read repeatedly are "hope" and "change" What does the man actually stand for? He says something and then retracts it. Affirms something and then denies it.

What solid unchanging principles does the man stand on? If you think you understand, would you be so kind as to explain it to me. I have been an avid watcher since 1968 and have never been as confused as I am about this election. undecided

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

If you are honest and sincere in your pursuit, you can start here. That is his official website. You will be able to read what he stands for. Go to the above listed page and use the drop down menu titled "issues". There is substantial information on many topics.

If this was just another excuse for an open sound board for the haters, well then, I will step aside and let them supply all you could ever wish for.

K Frame · « **Reply #4 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:16:18 AM »

seeker_two · « **Reply #5 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:20:52 AM »

Kommmisar Obama does have a nice ring to it..... police

El Tejon · « **Reply #6 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:22:26 AM »

BHO=DDR

longeyes · « **Reply #7 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:27:38 AM »

He stands for HIMSELF, which he has deeply confused with messianic Marxism. He is the one he has been waiting for.

old school · « **Reply #8 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:32:55 AM »

Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 27, 2008, 07:16:18 AM

That is hilarious!
The haters are actually sad that the USSR is gone. So sad that they want to recreate it in their minds so they can hate again. Ahhh absence does make the heart grow fonder..........

Tallpine · « **Reply #9 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:37:20 AM »

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Expand Hate Crimes Statutes

Because my life is worth less than certain others rolleyes

alex_trebek · « **Reply #10 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:42:48 AM »

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That is hilarious!
The haters are actually sad that the USSR is gone. So sad that they want to recreate it in their minds so they can hate again. Ahhh absence does make the heart grow fonder..........

I am confused as to your intent with this statement, are you hinting support for the former USSR? If not, then what, exactly, is wrong with being against communism? (given what happened/is happening in communist states)

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Because my life is worth less than certain others

Far be it for me to disagree with you... cheesy

Seriously, I don't really care for hate crime laws either, and am not surprised that Obama supports them.

Back to the topic at hand, I am not really sure what the man stands for either. Basically I think he keeps on talking, and changes what people dont like to hear. So I guess you could say he stands for hope, change, and whatever else sounds good.

Tallpine · « **Reply #11 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:46:06 AM »

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Seriously, I don't really care for hate crime laws either

Did you defy a federal prosecutor and district court judge ? Wink

(they "excused" me from jury duty rolleyes

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alex_trebek · « **Reply #12 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:47:44 AM »

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Did you defy a federal prosecutor and district court judge ? Wink

(they "excused" me from jury duty rolleyes )

Nice, I have never been called for Jury duty. Will have to remember that if it ever comes up...

old school · « **Reply #13 on:** June 27, 2008, 08:56:47 AM »

Quote from: alex_trebek on June 27, 2008, 07:42:48 AM

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That is hilarious!
The haters are actually sad that the USSR is gone. So sad that they want to recreate it in their minds so they can hate again. Ahhh absence does make the heart grow fonder..........

I am confused as to your intent with this statement, are you hinting support for the former USSR? If not, then what, exactly, is wrong with being against communism? (given what happened/is happening in communist states)

I don't belive you don't get the jist of that sarcastic statement. But, I will take your querry at face value and offer this to you.

Some people love to hate so much they need an enemy to hate. Now that the USSR is history, they miss hating it. Not because of what the USSR was, but just because they love to hate. I bet it is exciting for them just to see that symbol again. The haters are the ones who miss the USSR, no one else.

agricola · « **Reply #14 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:03:58 AM »

Quote from: Grandpa Shooter on June 27, 2008, 05:09:22 AM

What solid unchanging principles does the man stand on? If you think you understand, would you be so kind as to explain it to me. I have been an avid watcher since 1968 and have never been as confused as I am about this election. undecided

More ground clearance for buses, it seems.

alex_trebek · « **Reply #15 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:05:36 AM »

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If don't belive you don't get the jist of that sarcastic statement. But, I will take your querry at face value and offer this to you.

Yeah I didn't get it at first. Wasn't clear to me what you meant, got it now though.

K Frame · « **Reply #16 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:05:47 AM »

Find me any proof, in what I have said here, that I hate Senator Obama.

It is my believe, fueled by the Senator's own actions, words, and voting record, that he holds more than a passing affinity for socialist causes, stances, and actions.

I don't know whether you've consulted a world almanac, encyclopedia, or even the internet lately, or ever, but were you to do so you'd find, likely much to your surprise, that the hammer and sickle is not exclusively a symbol of the former Soviet Union and its particular brand of communism. In fact, in a historical context, the hammer and sickle has been used as much by those professing socialist, but not Soviet Communist, ideas as by advocates of pure communism itself.

But, I suspect you won't be tracking with any of what I've just said.

Seems that some people love.

To be ignorant, that is.

old school · « **Reply #17 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:24:23 AM »

Quote from: Mike Irwin on June 27, 2008, 08:05:47 AM

Find me any proof, in what I have said here, that I hate Senator Obama.

It is my believe, fueled by the Senator's own actions, words, and voting record, that he holds more than a passing affinity for socialist causes, stances, and actions.

I don't know whether you've consulted a world almanac, encyclopedia, or even the internet lately, or ever, but were you to do so you'd find, likely much to your surprise, that the hammer and sickle is not exclusively a symbol of the former Soviet Union and its particular brand of communism. In fact, in a historical context, the hammer and sickle has been used as much by those professing socialist, but not Soviet Communist, ideas as by advocates of pure communism itself.

But, I suspect you won't be tracking with any of what I've just said.

Seems that some people love.

To be ignorant, that is.

I can accept that explanaition of why you did that if that is what you are offering. However, I think you did it for exactly the reasons I said. You know it is a symbol of past fear and hatred in this country and you were being divisive by casting it's shadow upon your enemy. If I am wrong, so be it. But, it is a classic strategy.

Balog · « **Reply #18 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:36:21 AM »

"Don't be hatin'!"

Is it ok if I hate both the playa and the game?

K Frame · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:36:34 AM »

You can think anything that you want.

Sometimes, throught chance or luck, you may even be right.

But most often, as is the situation in this case, you'll be very, very wrong.

Personally, I don't give a damn if you "accept" my explanation or not. Your ill-conceived perception is not in the least important to me.

K Frame · « **Reply #20 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:37:05 AM »

Quote from: Balog on June 27, 2008, 08:36:21 AM

"Don't be hatin'!"

Is it ok if I hate both the playa and the game?

Only if you attach some symbolic image.

Balog · « **Reply #21 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:39:11 AM »

I sure wish we had more communist countries slaughtering millions of their citizens and fomenting terrorism around the world... China just isn't enough!

roo_ster · « **Reply #22 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:42:19 AM »

old school:

If you think MI did it because of hatred, as you wrote, do please provide some supporting data. From my experience, MI is neither shy no is he prone to mealy-mouthedness (keyboardedness?).

Data, man, not feelings.

Having read excerpts from BHO's first book, it is clear his sympathies lie with the socialists and he is alienated from America, its culture and its institutions. He made a conscious decision to associate with socialists and other radicals during college and continued that association afterwards.

Pairing him with socialist symbols is thus appropriate. If he does not now like the pairing, he should have thought about that when (as an adult) he was hanging out with his socialist buddies and palling it up with Dohrn & Ayers.

old school · « **Reply #23 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:43:06 AM »

The poster doth protest too much.....................

Do I get banned if I disagree with an administrator?

roo_ster · « **Reply #24 on:** June 27, 2008, 09:52:14 AM »

old school:

Plenty of folks 'round here disagree on issues with admins, myself included. I have not, to the best of my knowledge, accused them of hatred because of those differences. Because I have not seen any data to support such an allegation.

You plainly wrote that another member posted an image because he hated BHO or..something. Substantiate your personal allegation or have the stones to retract.

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Author Topic: What does Obama stand for? (Read 13458 times)